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Old 06-06-2007, 03:35 AM
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UPDATE: Sound file here http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28632



I'll get better pictures tomorrow. I've been working on this one for over a month now. I need to weigh the raw shell to make it official but the material it's made out of makes it the lightest metal shell available on the market today. No, it's not titanium. =)

Unfortunately my throw off didn't come in for it... so I'm stuck waiting on that to get the snare wire on. I tuned it up anyways and even in timbale form it sounds pretty damn good.

Weight: 15.5 oz.

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Old 06-06-2007, 03:51 AM
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What is it???????????
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:00 AM
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Well if it helps... I named her Maggy. lol

As far as I know no one has made a drum like this before at least that I was able to see. I'm sure it's only a matter of time now till someone copies it.
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:02 AM
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Should've gone with black chrome hardware....
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:07 AM
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I hate black chrome hardware. lol Actually I'll have some custom lugs done up for this that match the finish a bit more but all I had on hand were some tube lugs and I'm rather fond of tube lugs.
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:09 AM
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Can't wait to see the finished product. I too, am fond of tube lugs, but thought the contrast would make for a nice effect.. but what do I know.
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Old 06-06-2007, 06:08 AM
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I'd ask what metal or alloy it's made of, but I'm guessing thats a secret.


Very nice job, I think the tube lugs look fine on it. Hope the throw off comes soon, I'd liek to see/hear this thing finished and set up.
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Old 06-06-2007, 06:12 AM
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So she's made out of magnesium?
It's definately a cool looking snare. how does it compare to other metal snares?
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Old 06-06-2007, 10:08 AM
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I'm going to guess magnesium ;)
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:08 PM
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And you'd be correct... just not saying exactly which alloy of it since it took me forever to find the right stuff.

Without the snares on, it's kinda hard to gauge the sound but so far it sounds pretty dry, very similar to titanium I think. I'm hoping to track down a throw so that I can finish it and really get a feel for the sound. Then I've gotta crash the studio and get sound clips.
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:47 PM
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I would have said tungsten, that stuff weighs next to nothing and is harder than steel, might be an interesting material to make a snare drum out of. Expensive, though...
If it's magnesium you'd better watch out with sparks, flames and people smoking near it. Otherwise it will be the first powder snare drum...
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:52 PM
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It's not pure magnesium... so it's safe from the flammability standpoint. Plus it takes a LOT to ignite sheets of magnesium vs powder.

Tungsten is tough but it's not light at all. Swing by a jeweler and check out a tungsten ring vs a titanium ring and you'll see the titanium is quite a bit lighter. Would be a cool material to use but yea... probably pretty pricey.
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Very nice my friend. How is the finish as far as showing fingerprints etc??
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Old 06-06-2007, 06:43 PM
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Doesn't show fingerprints that I can tell... It's not really a "finish" per say... I rubbed 220 grit sand paper on it to get the marks off from the metal supplier and that's it. lol I thought about anodizing it but figured at this point it's more important that it sounds good than looks good.
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Old 06-06-2007, 06:57 PM
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Looks good. Any time frame before we can hear this drum?
Do you use any other metals?
Are you trying to get a market on these drums you make or do you just make them for yourself?
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Old 06-06-2007, 06:59 PM
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Well if it helps... I named her Maggy. lol

As far as I know no one has made a drum like this before at least that I was able to see. I'm sure it's only a matter of time now till someone copies it.
can you make drums out of magnesium? i've just been doing chemistry revision for an exam tomorrow so it came to me - but that's my guess. looking very nice anyway - have fun!
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Old 06-06-2007, 07:18 PM
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It is a magnesium alloy.. not the pure metal.

Yes I plan on making them out of other metals (I've got a titanium one too but these days everyone is doing titanium) and I hope to have a part time business selling them at some point once I'm ready to go.

I'm going to try to get into the studio this weekend. I've got some other projects I need to finish up as well so I'd like to get them all done at once.
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Old 06-06-2007, 07:42 PM
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Yes you can see the marks from the 220 grit you used, but I think it would look good just the way it is, if you would have some lugs that would look a little rough too.
The shell has a kind of industrial look to it , what I kinda like. Really cool.
BTW what will a shell like that cost? Do we have to turn in our life insurances for that?
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Old 06-06-2007, 08:58 PM
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My goal is for the shell to be around 275-300 bare and a retail price of around 550ish for a finished drum. Depends on whether I can get this new supplier lined up or not.

So really... no it's not pricey at all.
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Old 06-07-2007, 01:18 AM
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[quote=crazyhorse;319343]And you'd be correct... just not saying exactly which alloy of it since it took me forever to find the right stuff.

Hmmm... I'm gonna guess MSR or possibly something from the AM series. Eh, there are so many. How many did you go through to find the right alloy?

I find magnesium alloys relatively easy to work with, much easier to machine than say aluminum. And they are very lightweight, a major reason why they are being used more and more by automotive companies.

Your work looks beautiful. I can't wait to see more. I was thinking about machining my own snare in the near future so I may have to look into a magnesium alloy. That's a great idea! I need to hear a sound clip though! :)
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:40 AM
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Yes you can see the marks from the 220 grit you used, but I think it would look good just the way it is, if you would have some lugs that would look a little rough too.
The shell has a kind of industrial look to it , what I kinda like. Really cool.
BTW what will a shell like that cost? Do we have to turn in our life insurances for that?
I quite like the rough shell with the smooth and shiny lugs and hoops actually, think its a great contrast.
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:31 AM
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Got a butt plate today... ended up looking all over the place only to reallize the one on my stave shell was the perfect size. OOPS! lol Sounds pretty good. I've got to fiddle with the tuning a bit. My ears are all screwed up because I finished a 12x3.5 inch snare, 10x5 inch snare, that cherry 13x5.5 and this one all in one day so they sound sooooo different from each other it's hard to tell where the sweet spot is.
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Old 06-07-2007, 01:00 PM
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I quite like the rough shell with the smooth and shiny lugs and hoops actually, think its a great contrast.
I agree. How does it sound. Is it deep and fat or high and ringy.
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Get us a pic with the head and hoops off!
What did you do for bearing edges? Rolled the top over?

And have you weighed it yet?
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I would have said tungsten, that stuff weighs next to nothing and is harder than steel, might be an interesting material to make a snare drum out of. Expensive, though...

Actually tungsten is right up there with lead as far as density....it's very heavy. I work with it, and it is a bear to machine. Nevermind expensive.

Where's the sound clip? ; )
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Old 06-07-2007, 05:26 PM
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I know I know..... lol Scheduling a time to swing by the studio to get a good sound clip of this one as well as two other snares. I gave my lil picolo to my drum teacher so I won't have a chance to record that one.
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Old 06-07-2007, 09:32 PM
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Argh... well I won't be able to weigh it today. I took this one and my cherry one by Guitar center and they thieved the metal one away from me. =)

Actually... I'm lucky to have a lot of REALLY good percussionists working a the local one and one of the guys is playing a jazz gig tonight. We set up the two drums on one of the sets there and he played with it a bit and asked me if he could use it for his gig. I have to say I was a little worried at first but after hearing it with him playing I think the magnesium will be a GREAT replacement for the more expensive titanium drums. He's promised me a recording if he's able to get it tonight. If not I'll have one Saturday evening for sure.
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Old 06-10-2007, 03:52 AM
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Sound files:

http://www.mckenziedrums.com/SoundFiles/Magnesium1.mp3

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http://www.mckenziedrums.com/SoundFiles/Magnesium2.mp3

Tuned too low but ah well... gives you an idea of the sound anyways.
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Old 06-10-2007, 04:07 AM
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Well I'm very impressed, that drum sounds great. The fact that you made it out of magnesium is impressive. It doesn't have very much ring to it. I figured it would have more of a metal sound, but if you didn't tell me, I would have thought it was wood.
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Old 06-10-2007, 04:10 AM
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Have you missed the other posts? lol I've got a little bit of everything at the moment. It does sound VERY warm for a metal drum. Check out the cherry shell sound files... I wouldn't mind having a steam bent maple like that. At the moment I've made a promise to my fiancee that I'm selling every drum I make but it's hard to let go of these things lol
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Old 06-10-2007, 04:11 AM
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ya im currently reading your other threads, but when it comes to selling drums, take a TON of pictures and sound clips, burn a dvd and keep it for every drum your make, then you will always have them
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:26 PM
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Ok so I finally weighed the bare shell (since I got my 2nd prototype in the other day)

Weight: 15.5 oz for a 14x6" shell

Not too shabby =)

Going to get back into the studio (with my kit this time) and record the more polished version of the drum. Also, I picked up some wood hoops so I'll probably throw those on there.
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Old 07-07-2007, 02:22 PM
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Posted a sound file in the "Your Playing" section.

http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28632 is the link
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