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Old 05-30-2007, 02:04 PM
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I just changed into my Remo Coated Ambassadors... And just after a couple of rounds on the toms I could see the coating getting shaved off by the stick strokes. Is this usual?

And also, what kind of stick tips help to prolong the life of the coating? Perhaps different sticks will not hurt the coating as bad...
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Old 05-30-2007, 02:10 PM
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Had the same problems and switched to Evans, problem solved ;-)

I've heard guys have great luck with coated Remo's and others have absolute problems with their coating. I played remo heads for 20+ years until a year ago when I had problems with their coating, read many good things about evans and I've got a G1 that's been on my snare since last september that the coating is still in great shape!

I don't know that any one stick will make a difference.
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Old 05-30-2007, 03:20 PM
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Had the same problems and switched to Evans, problem solved ;-)

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Same fix worked for me...
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Old 05-30-2007, 03:34 PM
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And when you want a better coating then evans, go aquarian :)
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Old 05-30-2007, 06:53 PM
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I'll try that the next time I change skins...

Which Evans are equivalent or somewhat similair to the Ambassadors? I'm a complete Evans newbie...

And there aren't any aquarian dealers around my area sadly, so those are out of the question.
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Old 05-30-2007, 07:30 PM
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The Remo coating might not be as durable but the Evans dont sound as nice. To me the Evans arent as warm.
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Old 05-30-2007, 09:13 PM
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yes I also like Remo, but don't hate Evans, the only thing I don't like is that evans so many types of heads that I get lost when trying to find the one I need
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Old 05-31-2007, 07:47 AM
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I just changed into my Remo Coated Ambassadors... And just after a couple of rounds on the toms I could see the coating getting shaved off by the stick strokes. Is this usual?

And also, what kind of stick tips help to prolong the life of the coating? Perhaps different sticks will not hurt the coating as bad...
What do you mean when you say shaved? Are you talking about the marks that the sticks make on the head? The wear of the coating is typical on Remo heads. Try to find a picture of Earl Palmer in the studio sometime:

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Remo coated Ambassadors are my favorites and I don't care how they look; I care about how they SOUND! Evans don't sound quite as good to my ear.


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Old 05-31-2007, 07:59 PM
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A stick thats not chipped at the top will help your coating stay on longer.

My evans opinion-Durability is great. Better than remo. Sound is par most of the time.

But at the time i am in my drumming life, i dont gig or play live so durability wins over sound.


But i still use Remo on my toms
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Old 05-31-2007, 08:30 PM
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I've heard sticks with nylon tips are kinder to your drums, because the tip won't chip and form a rough / pointy edge, which will kill your heads over time. I think this is part of the battle... The other part is selecting a nice durable head and not beating the crap out of it ;)

Speaking of which, I just broke my first head in my 20 years of playing. What a horrible experience: I had a great-sounding Remo Fiberskyn on my snare, but it broke literally half-way through a gig! I didn't have a spare head or snare with me, so we had to delay the show between songs and I tried my best to tape it. It then sounded like I was playing on a couch (no tone at all), so I reverted to the absolute NO-NO of drumming: I played my snare on it's resonant side, trying to play AROUND the snare wires and all!

Luckily THAT head didn't break, but I felt like I was dealing with a timebomb for the rest of the set - plus it sounded like crap. Lesson learned: I play lighter, I use thicker heads, and I always keep a backup snare with me at a show.

I've had great luck with Remo's, but think Aquarian Satin Finish heads are some of the most durable heads out there coating-wise. (They're just really tough to find in local retailers). Good luck with your search!
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Old 05-31-2007, 08:37 PM
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I'll try that the next time I change skins...

Which Evans are equivalent or somewhat similair to the Ambassadors? I'm a complete Evans newbie...

And there aren't any aquarian dealers around my area sadly, so those are out of the question.
Evans G1 coated , I believe are the ones similar to the ambassadors.
My 2 bits.....I don't do alot of brushwork that I get paid for ( more or less for my own enjoyment ), so I use remo ambassadors on my snares ...true the coating does wear quick ... but I prefer the sound.
On all my toms I use evans G2 coated. I really dig the sound. And it's true...evans do lose their sound quality quickly , whereas an Ambassador will keep it 's sound quality for a long time.
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Old 05-31-2007, 08:50 PM
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I've found that Evans heads don't wear as easily as Remo's do, so that's why I have a preference for them. Though, I now use J1 Etched heads and those mark almost immediately, but because they're not technically coated, nothing is wearing off, it's just a cosmetic issue. I like it though because then it makes my drums look played, which is how they should be.

I hear alot of things about Aquarian's durability coating wise, and I can't say too much about it because I have only used them 2 or 3 times, but the last set I had didn't wear much at all. However I did own a snare head at one time that wore really quickly and it even broke eventually. It's the only head I've ever broken which makes me think that it was just a dud.
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Old 06-01-2007, 07:20 AM
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I've heard sticks with nylon tips are kinder to your drums, because the tip won't chip and form a rough / pointy edge, which will kill your heads over time. I think this is part of the battle... The other part is selecting a nice durable head and not beating the crap out of it ;)
From my experience, the nylon wears the coating faster and it acts more like sandpaper.

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Speaking of which, I just broke my first head in my 20 years of playing. What a horrible experience: I had a great-sounding Remo Fiberskyn on my snare, but it broke literally half-way through a gig!
I have a snare that I need to change the head on rather soon. But I have found that having the head on the ragged edge, the drum sounds fantastic! Many endorsees lament at having to change the heads out for a high profile show because it seems that it takes forever for the new heads to get to the point of sounding really good. It is kind of like a NASCAR engine; all of the tolerances are set so loose that engine is about blow, yet the engine is freer to produce more power - it is on the edge.

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Old 06-02-2007, 05:31 AM
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I had Evans g2 coated on my toms for 2 years, they lost their tone but they never wore out. The Aquarian texture coated heads I got actually started chipping their coating within a few weeks. I've never seen a head shed like these, usually I've seen heads like Remos wear down and turn black but never have the coating flying off in every direction. This is odd since I play in a jazz combo with small sticks. I consider these two heads defective though but it certainly hasn't given me a good impression of Aquarian. 2 of the 4 heads were defective and the one I got for the snare just sort of killed the sound. I'm just not a fan of the Evans sound and feel but they are certainly the most durable heads. Remos are just comfortable to me. I ordered all Fiberskyn batter heads which should come in next week so I'll tell you about them. Personally, I'm tired of this whole coated head business anyway.
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Old 06-02-2007, 06:14 AM
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I can almost see through my Aquarian Teture Coated Snare head in the center, and I've had it for about 2 months.


My next set of heads I'm trying Evans.
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Old 06-02-2007, 06:37 AM
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I had Evans g2 coated on my toms for 2 years, they lost their tone but they never wore out.
, i consider the heads worn out if they lose their tone.

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Old 06-02-2007, 07:52 AM
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Which Evans are equivalent or somewhat similair to the Ambassadors? I'm a complete Evans newbie...
G1s are the equivalent to Ambassadors. Both heads are one 10 mil ply.
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Old 06-02-2007, 08:05 AM
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, i consider the heads worn out if they lose their tone.

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Agreed! The coating is going eventually wear off; what matters is if you like the sound you are getting.


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Agreed! The coating is going eventually wear off; what matters is if you like the sound you are getting.
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Old 06-02-2007, 01:35 PM
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Kona boy has the ticket. I can play evans 3 times as long as i can play remoes because they are more substantial. The sound is a bit different but both sound great.

And to you guys saying heads are worn out when they loose their tone, heads are worn out when you cant do what you did before on them. Like play w/ brushes.
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Old 06-02-2007, 03:35 PM
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I love Remo Coated Ambassadors or Emperors. The coating might wear away slightly in the center, but it never completely goes away. It gets compressed and smooth under normal playing conditions. It's still there, but it isn't as rough. I actually prefer the sound of a Coated Ambassador after it's been played for a while and the coating has got smooth in the center. They have a perfect crisp sound at that point.
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Old 06-03-2007, 07:48 PM
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hmm.. i know the coats do come off.. but that quickly??

I mean.. i had 15 minutes on my kit and I could see liberal amounts of coating gone already....

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Old 06-03-2007, 09:14 PM
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I've had my coated emperors for almost a year, and no problems. Mind you, the emperor x skin on my snare, the coating came off after 1 day of practice. Still sound's great though. I'm thinking of switching to aquarian, because i heard there skins sound more "fatter" and there coating last longer then any other company.
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:28 PM
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This is what I find funny:

Some people say remo coated heads are warmer. Others say evans are.
Some people say evans lose their tone quicker. Others say remo does.

My dad is was converted from remo to evans due to quality control issues (this seems to be the no. 1 reason for the switch). We both like evans better in the end.

Ive found some ancient heads on kits at high schools around maine. the evans tend to sound better old than the remos. this could just be that the band director knew enough about drums to pick a brand that isnt the old standard, so maybe the heads are just better taken care of. I dont know, but i have a starclassic performer kit with the die cast rims, and the evans rarely ever require any serious tuning.

really, I think for longevity, youre probably better of with evans.
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Old 06-14-2007, 09:10 PM
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Try the Aquarian satin finish coated heads. They are one ply so you still get lots of resonance, but the coating helps control some of the unwanted overtones. Also, the coating on Aquarian heads just doesn't come off. I've had an Aquarian Focus-X on my Yamaha snare for many months and I play it every day and sometimes hit pretty hard (although mostly I don't play that hard). The coating hasn't come off at all, but there are dark marks from using heavy wooden sticks most of them time when practicing.

Also you may want to try nylon-tipped sticks. I actually really like the sound they produce a lot better for lower volume styles (jazz, etc). The main thing, though, is that they are much easier on any type of head.
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