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Old 07-25-2006, 03:42 AM
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I love Mike Portnoy. His style is very complex and textured. I know there are better drummer than him, for example Virgil Donati but they play diferent styles and can't be compared.

I see Portnoy as my musical father. When I started drumming the drummer that really shocked me was him. I studied him a LOT, I have all of his videos. He has done a lot for me and many people. My creativity grew a lot when listening to DT.

I don't think tere's a more tecnical rock band than DT. There are a lot of good ones but not better than DT. They have a special quimistry and flow that mekes the so special.
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Old 07-26-2006, 02:26 AM
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Portnoy is easily, hands down the best thing about DT. Unfortunately I don't think he's good enough to save them, either. I don't rate his technique, but what really bugs me about him dawned on me earlier: it's all tab drumming. Tab drumming? What the hell does that mean? Rhetorical questions aside, I just think his drumming all sounds like the kind of stuff you would design to write out in tab form: it has no serious amount of dynamics, no changing articulations on each surface, and most importantly it's all aligned to a metronomic grid in time and each note is only about its attack - there's no consideration of sustain, tone or space between notes.

If you listen to, say, Brazillian music you'll hear various things at work. One common phrase used is commonly written as a 1e(+)a phrase (where the "and" is not played) in 16ths, but which is actually played closer to a mix of 16th notes and triplets. It has a really nice feel and shape, and while it can be mathematically described it doesn't fit exactly into either a triplet or 16th note conception. You can't really tab this stuff accurately. It also has a lot of dynamics and articulation, and there are things like note lengths coming into play.

For me this difference between dynamic, articulated drumming with fluid, engaging time and the metronomic plodding stuff you hear from Portnoy is like the difference between a website designed using tables (i.e: lots of right angles everywhere) and a painting on canvass. One has been jazzed up to the best of the ability of the artist working inside serious restrictive logical requirements, the other is total freedom and a lot more human and expressive.

If you insist on playing everything as attacks written on a grid then there aren't a lot of ways to make that interesting - changing the dimensions of the grid is almost the only one, which is why Portnoy plays so much stuff in varied time signatures in DT. But really changing the dimensions of a grid doesn't make the stuff you build on that grid any less square and uninteresting, at least not for me.

As for bands with similar degrees of complexity to DT... there are many. I'd argue that Secret Chiefs 3 (just for one) is considerably MORE complex, but it's a very different kind of music so we'll ignore that. Staying inside the whole heavy/progressive/technical realm I'd have to just point to Fredrik Thordendal's solo album again, and Morgen Agren's loose, funky, fluid drumming over the complexity in that particular environment. That's NOT tab drumming...

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Old 07-26-2006, 06:41 AM
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MP will forever be one of my top infulences.

I feel blessd that I can keep up with his playing when trying it myself.
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Old 07-29-2006, 10:54 PM
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mike portnoy is definately one of my favorite drummers, and a top influence, but i think as many people have said before in this thread, its silly to call him the greatest drummer in the world as lots of people most surely do. i think the one thing portnoy is great at is that he fits his genre of music wonderfully. to say hes the greatest drummer in the world is stupid, but to say hes one of the greatest drummers (if not the greatest) to ever play his specific genre of music(prog metal kinda stuff) wouldnt be a bad assumption to make. sure there are better musicians like neil peart, but his band was completely different from dream theater from what ive heard (all of this is just my humble opinion however)
mike was the first drummer i really liked to listen to after being a travis fanboy for months(shudder) and his playing has taught me a lot of stuff, and ive learned a lot from watching him and listening to his band.
sure he may not be the fastest drummer in the world, he may not have the best technique, but when you think about it, drummers like hime are entertainers, and mike does a damn good job
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Old 08-02-2006, 03:26 AM
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If anyone has seen that DVD when DT play live in Japan, not sure what it is called, they know that this guy is insane. He is by far one of the best drummers out there.
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Old 08-05-2006, 06:00 AM
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If anyone has seen that DVD when DT play live in Japan, not sure what it is called, they know that this guy is insane. He is by far one of the best drummers out there.
i agree i was just saying its silly to consider ANY drummer regardless of who they are the best drummer in the world, because certain drummers are better at certain things than others
i dont really think peart is a better overall drummer than portnoy, but i think pearts compositional skills are much better than portnoys
maybe "better musician" wast the right way to put it
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Old 09-05-2006, 04:07 PM
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Mike's playing on the new Dream Theater DVD is fantastic!
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Old 09-06-2006, 09:00 PM
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Mike's playing on the new Dream Theater DVD is fantastic!
I bought it yesterday. Its called DT Score/20 year anniversary. He is like Peart where 95% is played exactly likethe cd. His drums sound great. The whole band is incredible. 4 hours long. Half w/an orchestra. It was filmed in New York 4-1-06.
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:46 AM
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All I can say is he is an incredible drummer. If you dont like his drumming or the band, you cant deny that he is a great drummer. And the band is amazing. Some stuff can get old, but as a whole it is incredible to see how tight and in sync the band is.
Mike is a master of odd times. Like him or not what he does is very challenging and exciting to watch/listen to IMO. And has taken years of dedication to learn.
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Old 09-15-2006, 01:02 PM
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Mike Portnoy is definetly one of my favourite drummer. He's playing is really great! It just fits perfectly in DT and his technique...
But what is best of his playing is SOUND.Damn it is so good! I feel I could eat his snare drum when he hits it:D..and his shoes and imago is cool.
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Old 09-15-2006, 05:03 PM
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I like Portnoy as well, he is a great drummer. He is very fast and have a brilliant technique.

But I miss Jeff Porcaro, he was one of the times best drummer. Very very good
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Old 09-15-2006, 06:09 PM
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If anyone has seen that DVD when DT play live in Japan, not sure what it is called, they know that this guy is insane. He is by far one of the best drummers out there.
i think ur talking about live at the Budokan...its pretty good, I dont personally own it but i have watched it a few times.

Just recently this year i have started to get into dream theater and mike portnoy, i like his work, his timing and technique IMO is pretty fantastic but still i feel hes not the best out there.....relitivly close though...
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Old 09-16-2006, 06:19 AM
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A quite historic moment has happened last week end !

MP got to meet his idol after like 15 years of stalking !!!!!
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Old 09-18-2006, 09:42 PM
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Is the DVD out in Canada? I saw an ad for it in Modern Drummer, but I can't find it in the retail shops.
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Old 10-04-2006, 03:13 AM
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which guy would I call to choose with a great perspective on drumming with a sharped sense of musicality? who´se drumming drives with grace and power with such musicians as the rest of Dream Theater´s members?

Yeah! Mike Portnoy :)
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Old 10-05-2006, 10:56 PM
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But I miss Jeff Porcaro, he was one of the times best drummer. Very very good
Ehhh so? There is already a Jeff Porcaro thread, what has Jeff got to do with MP?
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:37 PM
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Like most people, I'm sure, I register here and immediately head to my favorite drummer's thread. :)

Mike Portnoy was the guy who got me so avidly into playing. My first DT album was "Awake," and as soon as I heard it, I was thinking, "I want to play this." So I started playing drums more frequently, and now here I am today.

The most "complex" song I can play by MP is "Instrumedley" from the Live at Budokan DVD. I'm working on Dance of Eternity.
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Old 11-03-2006, 08:41 AM
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He is My favorite Drummer For sure! In my opinion, the best prog drummers around. I think his DVD, Liquid drum theater, is one of the most entertaining drum videos out there. The quality and Video angles he uses are soo sweet. He got me into the Double bass drum fills and beats. Alot of people do not like the music, but like said beofer, you cannot deny his skill!
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Old 11-03-2006, 10:15 PM
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Portnoy is Dream Theater, especially live.

Portnoy really gets into it. Puts on a good show for a drummer.

The rest of the band should just get beds and lie down. They just stand in one place, and do not put on any type of "show". Very boring to watch them live. I enjoy listening to them more than watching them (this doesn't apply to Mr. Portnoy!).

I suggest they change the band name to Mike Portnoy and Dream Theater!

Now, I know there will be many people who claim the music is so hard to play, and they need to concentrate. However, many technically great musicians give a good show. Petrucci, Myung and Rudes are great musicians, but do not play to entertain the crowd. Yngwie, Vai, Sheehan, Harris and others give the fans technical greatness and showmanship.
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Old 11-03-2006, 11:11 PM
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yea Portnoy is so much about the show, if you've ever watched a dvd with the option of showing only him playing: he does a lot of silly little things for pure show, sometimes plays ghost notes against his head, stick twirling etc.

Not to mention that they're songs are rediculously complicated as it is.
DT was one of the things that got me into drumming seriously, it's the source of the limited knowledge I have of odd time signatures.
I remember laying in bed, sick and listening to Octavarium or LTE, which is essentially DT and slowly untying the knots in the music.
Now I don't like it as much anymore, while I still think its brilliant and complicated, somehow its magic has disappeared......maybe I just know most of the songs that well.
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Old 11-04-2006, 01:02 AM
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Portnoy and ringo. I am the first person in history to mention both of them in the same line.
MP is a drummer you like or hate. You HAVE to listen to what he is doing...you are compelled to. ie what the hell did he just do, where the F is "1" and that made no sence, but it worked. I for one like to listen to music and not analize it as much as my drummer mind feels I have to. He is for the young whippersnappers out there....don't think too many of us 45+ guys like DT, but we all understand they are gifted to do what they do.
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Old 11-05-2006, 10:21 AM
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Portnoy and ringo. I am the first person in history to mention both of them in the same line.
You mean, the first after every single magazine interviewer who's ever done a piece on Portnoy? Portnoy references Ringo an awful lot.
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Old 11-05-2006, 10:27 AM
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yea Portnoy is so much about the show, if you've ever watched a dvd with the option of showing only him playing: he does a lot of silly little things for pure show, sometimes plays ghost notes against his head, stick twirling etc.
yeah, i saw him playing at the 2003(?) MD, he was really good with Dream theater (it was a dvd), and he was always twirling the sticks and stuff, really good performer
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Old 11-05-2006, 03:04 PM
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yeah, i saw him playing at the 2003(?) MD, he was really good with Dream theater (it was a dvd), and he was always twirling the sticks and stuff, really good performer
Live at Budokan DVD? My second favorite DVD of theirs.
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Old 11-06-2006, 03:18 PM
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Since introduced to DT i have been a convert,an praise this band till my mates try stranglin me.There just amazing,every member,including mike portnoy.Hes an amazing talent,an quite funny too.Original and techincal,and if i was rich,my kmit would resemble his,hell why not :P
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Old 01-08-2007, 02:24 AM
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now your saying that mike portnoy was the type of person that went to berklee but didn't go to class, well what i know of mike is that he has been named best progressive drummer for 12 years in a row in modern drummer magazine and he has also been put into the drummers hall of fame. well when it comes to talking a lot of people can do that, but if you can do what mike portnoy does or better, than let your drumming do the talking!! but until i see that what you wrote is true and until i see that you can do better things than mike can on a simple drum!! i wouldn't talk about mikee!! that way!!
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Old 01-08-2007, 03:50 AM
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...he is a bit cocky.
He IS from Brooklyn. That happens alot down there.

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I've never heard of Mike flipping anyone off...and he does too sit down. He sits really high, and is really short, so it looks like he's standing, though he DOES play standing up on occasion. Why? I have absolutely no idea. The only offensive thing he does that I can think of is his ability to spit like a camel.
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Old 01-08-2007, 04:05 AM
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I love the parts he makes for the songs, they fit perfectly, all the time! I'm not fond of his soloing at all though. But in his case, drumming for the song is the most important!
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Portnoy and ringo. I am the first person in history to mention both of them in the same line.
Ringo was one of his main influences, and he even has a Beatles tribute band, playing a Ringo kit (same finish, most likely same sizes, and im quite sure same kind of cymbals.)
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Old 03-13-2007, 10:57 AM
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Bump up the volume, bump up the volume!
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Old 03-14-2007, 02:43 AM
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i think portnoy is a good,solid drummer, but he's not that original like the greats.i also think he's too much of a neil peart clone,from what i've heard. but hey,you can't argue with success.
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I think that Portnoy and Nicko McBrain are the best drummers ever.

but that is my opinion, everybody has an opinion, and they are entitled to it.
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Old 03-21-2007, 05:12 AM
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this was thread created for opinions...you got mine about portnoy. i didn't say he was not good,he is...i don't care for his style,from what i've heard and i don't care for DT or liquid tensions' music.
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:36 AM
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no musician is THE best.
There are greats..
not everyone will agree on who those are.. it only matters what you personally think.

I have been a DT fan for a long time and like their stuff.. My tastes have changed over time and I don't listen to them all that much any more (metal in general), but those guys are insane musicians (I'm a guitarist and Petrucci has been one of my bigger influences).
They are all very technically proficient.
I also like melody and feel.. This is something that this band gets slammed on against all of the time and I don't buy it. I've heard some very cool melodic stuff from them.. It all comes down to styles and what does it for an individual.. If he does.. great.. if not.. well.. why waste time arguing about it??

Something else.. Portnoy IS that band in terms of running and promoting it.
He's not just a drummer.

You can't really measure something like creativity or musicianship.. THANKFULLY..
There's always someone better ;)

I'm not a drummer, but my personal favs are Gavin Harrison, Dennis Chambers, Matt Chamberlain, Vinnie Colaiuta, Ian Mosley, Nick D'Virgilio, Mark Zonder, Mike Portnoy (he's a blast to watch)

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Old 03-26-2007, 07:11 PM
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danny carey is very overrated....fact
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I went to one of his clinics a number of years ago. He was very personable and did a great job fielding questions that he's heard a zillion times. Good guy, good drummer.
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mike portnoy stinks. danny carey is so much better and way more creative.
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Old 03-27-2007, 04:20 AM
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That's a well thought out and explained opinion.. There are plenty of folks out there that can technically slam both of them without blinking, but they happen to have some class and don't play to be better than someone else.
It's probably best to just better ourselves ;)

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Old 03-27-2007, 07:46 PM
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mike portnoy is the best, THE BEST.....tiger woods is the best golfer, wayne gretzky is the best hockey player.....michael jordan is the best basketball player...mike portnoy is the best drummer.....george bush is the biggest moron
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