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Old 07-05-2006, 02:21 PM
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Neil started it all for me. As a kid, I remember learing "La Villa" and torturing myself with it.

Yes, there are more advanced drummers out there (Plenty of them)

But this fact remains: Most of the music that features incredible drumming does NOT appeal to today's youth or even to a sizable portion of the listening public. Compared to music like Rush or Tool NOBODY listens to Vital Information or Planet X and forget about the swing stuff.

Danny Carey made a similar comment in a recent MD article. He was VERY blunt and he said something like" Yeah great monkey drummers but the music SUCKS"

Virgil blows Neil (and pretty much all others) away but let's listen to 2 hrs of Virgil's or Weckl's music and see if it moves an audience (of not just drummers) like 2 hrs of Rush.

Yes, popularity is a limited gauge of talent but it's patently obvcious that the man has struck a chord that has resounded with his listening public for over 30 years.

If all of these others guys are SOOO much better, why are they limited to doing clinic tours in music stores? Isn't music about communicating with people? And if what you are saying is so amazing then everyone will at least want to hear it , no?

Maybe they surpass Neil in the "drumming" department but if you take a broader look at it, Neil has achieved a much more worthy goal. He has managed to communicate a part of himself (through lyrics and music) to the world not just blown a few drummers away with his blazing chops.

Please don't give me the: "There are a hundred better guys than Neil who never made it." story either because Neil did not rely on anything other than talent to get where he is today. He's not some sex symbol or anything like that, he made it on his music alone.

I think you Neil bashers are just incredibly jealous. I'm not saying you have to like him but this "I hate him" stuff is just the green-eyed monster rearing its ugly head..
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Old 07-05-2006, 11:07 PM
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I don't get it. Monkey drummers as in "using all four limbs wildly" or monkey drummers as in "unintelligent"? It has to be the first one because that's the only interpretation that makes sense. If that's what it is, then I think to a certain extent that's true of a bunch of that stuff. It's unfortunate that you have to listen to so much cheese to hear all the amazing drumming. There was some stuff about that on the Dave Weckl thread, but the moderator said it was off-topic I think.
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Old 07-07-2006, 01:02 AM
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Rush is one of those bands that you either love or hate because of the high vocals not because of the drummer. I think everyone would agree that Neil Peart is an amazing musician and has inspired tons of newbies into developing their craft. There are very few in the world today that would disagree with that statement I'm sure.
Gavin Harrison, Jason Bittner and Mike Portnoy are anything but "newbies" and I've read countless articles from them saying Neil was one of their biggest influences...so unless I'm misunderstanding you I'm not sure what you are stating....

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Maybe they surpass Neil in the "drumming" department but if you take a broader look at it, Neil has achieved a much more worthy goal. He has managed to communicate a part of himself (through lyrics and music) to the world not just blown a few drummers away with his blazing chops
Couldn't have said it any better ;-)
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Old 07-09-2006, 10:57 PM
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Mr. Neil Peart is a living legend. Bottom line , end of story, Finito! ( and I say Mr. out of respect )
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Old 07-09-2006, 11:13 PM
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Peart has been my biggest influence for years, and I am a pretty hardcore Rush Fan lol, Although I have never seen them live, (they have never come near my home town lol, closest they have come was toronto, 16 hours away lol. But ya, Im a big fan of pearts Drumming
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Old 07-10-2006, 06:16 PM
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Dont get me wrong i do have mad respect for Peart, hes a very talented Drummer. I'm just not into RUSH, mainly because of Geddy Lee
Ok maybe Geddy isn't the greatest vocalist in the world BUT, can your bass player play bass, keyboards, taurus pedals, and sing every song !!! Dude you gotta at least respect the- talent he brings....Neil is and will always be my biggest influence,ever sice I got 2112 on 8-trac all those years ago.....
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Old 07-12-2006, 03:22 AM
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Here's a Neil Peart interview:

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Old 07-17-2006, 06:29 AM
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No one is better than the Professor. I have never seen him play live but I have both the Rio DVD and the R30 DVD and his solos are excellent. He is extremely smooth in his sticking patterns and playing them consistently on a day-to-day basis. The way he replicates every note of every song is awesome. I love his drumming in Tom Sawyer (my all-time favorite) and the fill he uses in the song. Hats off to the Professor!!!
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Old 07-17-2006, 08:59 AM
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Having watched through R30 a few times now, I have a few questions. (I apologize if these things have already been discussed here and please point me in the right direction).

First, I wonder how Neil is able to play his tom setup the way it is, with them starting all the way above his high hat with approx. 6 inch intervals (from what I can tell) between 8" and 10", 10" and 12". It seems as though it would be nearly impossible to do anything other than go down the toms, and even that looks uncomfortable to me. While I respect his playing and ability as a drummer, I am unable to comprehend how this setup makes logical sense (not a personal attack, just trying to understand).

Secondly, my mom and I were wondering about the washer and dryer and other appliances on stage with the band. I'm sure there must be some story behind them, but what is it?

Third, I think Rush is a really great band. I find all their music (that which I have heard) to be insightful, and I realized that they work very well together as a unit, in the power trio format that they are in. Geddy gets the vocals for his spotlight, Alex has the guitar which naturally gets some spotlight, and Neils drum parts work together well and are interesting enough that he gets some spotlight too.
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Old 07-17-2006, 11:38 PM
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First, I wonder how Neil is able to play his tom setup the way it is, with them starting all the way above his high hat with approx. 6 inch intervals (from what I can tell) between 8" and 10", 10" and 12". It seems as though it would be nearly impossible to do anything other than go down the toms, and even that looks uncomfortable to me.
Well when you have the same setup for the most part of 30 years at some point you should be comfortable with it :-)

He goes down the toms from left to right of course but he also goes from right to left starting on the floor especially from the older songs....The 8 and 10 are used alot with quick strike rolls and accents when he does his reggae type feels...

I did notice that when he was experimenting with the traditional grip they weren't used as much as before...maybe thats why he went back to match grip....in the early days he was all over them....
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Old 07-25-2006, 12:47 PM
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i just bought the live in rio and watched it through several times. i think you're being a bit harsh stu. neils stil a fluid powerhouse behind the drums. he looks so serious tho. like a business man. trying to catch him smiling during the show is like trying to find walley.
what i do like about the DVD is that for once the editing team must have had a drummer in it and they cut peart nearly everytime he does something interesting. great angles too. o batterista is an awesom solo. it is a true must have DVD for fans of neil.
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Old 07-25-2006, 08:21 PM
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Having watched through R30 a few times now, I have a few questions. (I apologize if these things have already been discussed here and please point me in the right direction).


Secondly, my mom and I were wondering about the washer and dryer and other appliances on stage with the band. I'm sure there must be some story behind them, but what is it?

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I am a big Rush fan and a bigger Peart fan. I have seen them live 14 different tours and enjoyed every one of them, have never seen a bad Rush show or performance.

As for the appliances, Rush has always had some wierd stuff on stage, it's mainly Geddys doings but Alex has been know to put up some weird stuff also. the appliance thing started sevral tours ago, maybe it was test for echo, with a refridgerator, then went to the maytag dryers. they have t shirts in them and at the end of the show the band members take them out and toss them to the crowd. They say " I got this t-shirt from dryer #1 at a Rush show" or something close to that.

Geddy used to have a lot of little toys and charcters that he would set up on his keyboard setup, on top of the amps, etc. The last tour he stuck them in the revolving sandwich vending machine.

I have seen bozo the clown, a cardboard cutout of a bikini clad babe, the 3 stooges stuffed heads sitting on top the amps, a case of beer, pirates, parots, alex walk off stage while palying his guitar in the middel of a song and sit on top of a roadie who was taking a nap, a Birthday cake complete with lit candels....anyway you get the point the band likes to have fun while they perform and it comes across in the energy of the show. they ENJOY IT!
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Old 08-04-2006, 10:12 PM
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I love the way how Neil Peart has such a 'neutral' face whilst playing. The only time I've ever seen him smile is in the 'Rush in Rio' DVD.
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:59 PM
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I'll say this about Neil Peart. His drumming changed the course of my life. Like so many of you, I started playing the drums beacuse of him. I was 13 and saw the video (back when MTV played videos let alone by a progressive rock band) for Subdivisions and all I could think about was how cool this serious looking guy playing the drums was. Not to mentioned WHAT he was playing. I was so hooked and there was no looking back. Throughout high school my bedroom and locker were covered in Rush pictures. My dad took me in 1984 to see them on the Grace tour. As I watched the opening band play I saw Neil's kit behind them covered by a sheet. I remeber just staring at it KNOWING what was under there. When he first came into view under the lights playing 'Spirit Of Radio' I was in heaven. Like it's been stated before, you knew everything he was going to play before he played it and that was just how I wanted it.

Thanks to Neil I became a drummer and dedicated more time to it than anything else in my life. Lessons, practicing, gigs, college degree, etc. Over time my tastes have changed and I don't listen to Rush as much any more. But on their last tour I was able to see them second row. As I sat there seeing my childhood hero right in front of me, I went from a home owning, married father to a teenager again.

Thanks for everything Neil.
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Old 08-22-2006, 06:44 AM
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Neil Peart is the drummer and lyricist for Rush.

I really like Rush.

Therefore, I really like Neil Peart.
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Old 08-23-2006, 03:05 AM
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youv'e got to listen to the music to really appreciate Neil. go back & listen to some rush, like "hemispheres" or " Mystic Rythems " or " Bravado". just song after song , there is great drumming. But you have to like the music as a whole. Go load your Ipod up with Rush's full body of work. I will garuantee every song , the drumming will spark your interest from start to finish!!
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Old 09-17-2006, 06:19 PM
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ok - had to delete some posts, let's say the last 100. Was not in the mood to read them all. Say thanks to some nice members so.

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Old 09-17-2006, 06:30 PM
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at least the whole thread didn't go.

so its a warning to all that certain standards will be maintained. Neil might actually read his thread. he may one day post on it. lets make him feel welcome and not...

a) overdo the heroworship (which is a turn off to celebrities)
b) overdo the critiscism

but still debate.

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Old 09-17-2006, 07:44 PM
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With Neil, love him or leave him, you cant take away what he has accomplished in his career, and his influence on drummers around the world. The same amount of drummers that want to be Vinnie Coliauta, Thomas Lang or Virgil Donati today wanted to be Neil from the late 70's, all the 80's and beyond. So lets give credit where credit is due. You dont have to worship the ground he walks on, but accept him for what made him the drummer that he is. And the drummer that makes us want to say GOOD things about him in the first place.
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Old 09-17-2006, 08:19 PM
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So lets give credit where credit is due.
I think the key thing is an unusual combination of impressiveness and popular appeal. Most drummers that impressive don't have that much popular appeal, or to the extent that they do, what they play doesn't fit in with the rest of the music as much. It's more likely to sound like flashiness just for its own sake.
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Old 09-17-2006, 08:52 PM
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I think the key thing is an unusual combination of impressiveness and popular appeal. Most drummers that impressive don't have that much popular appeal, or to the extent that they do, what they play doesn't fit in with the rest of the music as much. It's more likely to sound like flashiness just for its own sake.
I dont think he would have a popular appeal if he didnt have impressiveness first.
Neil is a team player. Your right. The intro of Spirit of Radio w/the drums and bass matched note for note was for the song and not for Neil's ego.
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I dont think he would have a popular appeal if he didnt have impressiveness first.
Yeah, it's a total package. The drumming would not be as popular if it didn't fit the music, but the drumming itself became something that the band has been popular for. Some stuff is drumming for it's own sake - basically the solos. And there again, what they had was a combination of impressiveness and popular appeal. Most solos that impressive or more impressive aren't things that the average music fan could really get into. Other solos that people could get into aren't as impressive. Or they're just sort of a chops display. Everyone just says "wow, that was really fast and that's cool" but there isn't necessarily all that much interesting going on.
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Old 09-17-2006, 09:32 PM
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Neil's solo is a song. It's a well composed and thought-out piece of music.

This is something we aren't seeing anymore from the rock drummers solo these days.
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Old 09-18-2006, 11:12 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIPAX...related&search=

just to put things back in perspective.

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just to put things back in perspective.

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Wow big deal......I can do that :-)
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Wow big deal......I can do that :-)
Really? You can write a solo like that, perform it flawlesly in front of thousands of people, and then get rich and famous for being able to do things like that over and over for decade after decade? That's great. I'm kind of surprised that I haven't heard of you before.
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Wow big deal......I can do that :-)
Spoken like a true YouTube critic.
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dudes... the sideways smiley is indicative that our y0avz is joking.

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What a great solo....So many ideas in there.

The part I like the most is the waltz, from 3:04 to 4:24. The contrast between the low-toms and the high toms sound that he plays over the feet ostinato is just beautiful. And that big thunder sound at 3:14 is a great effect. The fast combinations starting at 3:54 are awesome.

Such a nice salute to Max Roach.
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As a rule, I'm not a huge fan of drum solos. However, I like Neil's solos because they are so well structured. They truly are pieces of music rather than simply a technical showpiece.

I have been a Rush fan for nearly thirty years, and the debate about Neil (and Rush, for that matter) always kind of amuses me. In some cases I can see a person's point, maybe even agree with it (for example, Neil is a bit stiff playing jazz), but it doesn't matter to me. I like what I like, and the band's music literally is a part of my life. Their development has mirrored my development in many ways. I don't play in Neil's style at all, but he's been an inspiration, nonetheless.

Neil Peart and Rush have given me great joy through the years; I'm thankful for the work they have done.
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Old 09-18-2006, 10:13 PM
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As a rule, I'm not a huge fan of drum solos. However, I like Neil's solos because they are so well structured. They truly are pieces of music rather than simply a technical showpiece.

I have been a Rush fan for nearly thirty years, and the debate about Neil (and Rush, for that matter) always kind of amuses me. In some cases I can see a person's point, maybe even agree with it (for example, Neil is a bit stiff playing jazz), but it doesn't matter to me. I like what I like, and the band's music literally is a part of my life. Their development has mirrored my development in many ways. I don't play in Neil's style at all, but he's been an inspiration, nonetheless.

Neil Peart and Rush have given me great joy through the years; I'm thankful for the work they have done.

Spoken like a "true" professional. Well done and Thank You! Couldn't of put it better myself. Way to go, ID! ;-)
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As a rule, I'm not a huge fan of drum solos. However, I like Neil's solos because they are so well structured. They truly are pieces of music rather than simply a technical showpiece.

I have been a Rush fan for nearly thirty years, and the debate about Neil (and Rush, for that matter) always kind of amuses me. In some cases I can see a person's point, maybe even agree with it (for example, Neil is a bit stiff playing jazz), but it doesn't matter to me. I like what I like, and the band's music literally is a part of my life. Their development has mirrored my development in many ways. I don't play in Neil's style at all, but he's been an inspiration, nonetheless.

Neil Peart and Rush have given me great joy through the years; I'm thankful for the work they have done.
My sentiments parallel yours except for the solo part, I do enjoy them when they are well done.

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OT: Northern Idaho...close to backbeats drum shop?
Is that in Sandpoint? I've heard there's a neat shop there and I see ads in the Nickel's Worth, but I haven't been in. The ads don't generally list the name of the shop, for some reason. Sandpoint is about forty miles from me (not that far, really, in North Idaho terms!). If it is the shop in Sandpoint, tell me a bit about it - I'd like to visit it if it's worthwhile.
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Is that in Sandpoint? I've heard there's a neat shop there and I see ads in the Nickel's Worth, but I haven't been in. The ads don't generally list the name of the shop, for some reason. Sandpoint is about forty miles from me (not that far, really, in North Idaho terms!). If it is the shop in Sandpoint, tell me a bit about it - I'd like to visit it if it's worthwhile.
So as not to hijack the thread, you have a PM.

Back to the topic of Neil Peart...who I am sure has made thousands pick up a set of sticks, and has been responsible for the sale of countless Tama, Ludwig and Dw kits.
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Old 09-20-2006, 06:05 PM
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dudes... the sideways smiley is indicative that our y0avz is joking.

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Apperantly...you are the only one who got it.
I hope the "joke police" wont get me next time.
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the this could be you singing:
Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase
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I just watched Rush in Rio. Like Neil or not, how anyone can say he is not Musical or is uncreative is beyond me. His solo is not off the top of your head in the moment. Thats what makes him different than most. Its well organized and creative with many different aspects to it IMO. Even back in the day from Exit stage Left. Two different solos. Both w/different parts and ideas that keep you interested. The very original little cowbell part? Need I say more?
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I just watched Rush in Rio. Like Neil or not, how anyone can say he is not Musical or is uncreative is beyond me. His solo is not off the top of your head in the moment. Thats what makes him different than most. Its well organized and creative with many different aspects to it IMO. Even back in the day from Exit stage Left. Two different solos. Both w/different parts and ideas that keep you interested. The very original little cowbell part? Need I say more?
He seems to always keep some of the same themes, which is really cool. He'll change the overall structure and content, but always does the "snare solo" part.

I also remember intentionally buying a bunch of cowbells, expressly for the purpose of emulating his "cowbell melody".
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Old 09-21-2006, 12:17 AM
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I just watched Rush in Rio. Like Neil or not, how anyone can say he is not Musical or is uncreative is beyond me. His solo is not off the top of your head in the moment. Thats what makes him different than most. Its well organized and creative with many different aspects to it IMO. Even back in the day from Exit stage Left. Two different solos. Both w/different parts and ideas that keep you interested. The very original little cowbell part? Need I say more?

No, you don't have to say more, mikey. But you know you can 'cause you express it so
honestly and eloquently. Excellent points and Thank You! We, who know drums, can appreciate what Neil has done for 30+ years with his professionalism, talent, grace, and certainly his humility. He has inspired more drummers on this planet than most and it's really weird to hear anyone have negative comments about him and his contributions to the music industry, let alone the percussion world. Besides, he isn't known as "The Professor" for nothing! Take Care...
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