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Old 06-06-2006, 08:51 PM
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I like the band a lot, and I think this guy is talented, but let him earn his wings. I think he over plays the double bass thing. It doesn't fit every song. And I think he needs to sell a few more platinum records and be a member of the drumming world a while longer before he should be on a site like this.
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Old 06-06-2006, 09:16 PM
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I find "The Reverand's" drumming to be a little repetitive; I feel the same way about Avenged Sevenfold's songs. I can tell that "The Reverand" is a pretty talented musician, but I cannot really understand what it is that makes everyone feel he is so amazing. I have heard many better drummers of the same style, so really, what is the "X" factor that makes "The Reverand" so great? Your thoughts?

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well i get that feeling when i hear the snare and that dbl bass and toms and how it goes with the music. i think that they r truley talentd musicainswho know how to make metal really touch the heart. although i get the impression that if they were in the 80's they would be on the glame side.
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Old 06-06-2006, 09:26 PM
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I love the reverend. But if you try to search him on the internet you can find close to nothing on him. and i do think he is an extremly underrated drummer also. i still dont see why people have not taken notice of him. hes amazing. i would love to see some solos of him on here!!!

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you're right, the rev is underatted, but please, can we who love his playing not overate him!
A7X are cool, yeah, whoever posted about in "blinded in chains" with the feet rudiments, (sory can't remeber who it was), that bit is cool, it put a smile on my face first time i listened to it. The whole album is really cool. And also whoever posted about the "horrible snare and bass tuning" i like his snare and bass, they help his unique sound, just Vinnie pauls drums helped him with his. It might a bit of a studio/eq thing i don't know.

yeah bernhard, please make a profile for the rev (jimmy sullivan not jhonny christ as i already know someone pointed out earlier, jhonny christ is the bassist)
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Old 06-11-2006, 07:59 PM
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This is the stupidest comment I've seen on this forum. He brings great fills with uniqueness and flare to genre not just constant buzz rolls down the line. And who says you have to know about jazz to be a good hardcore drummer. Roy Haynes is one of the best jazz players out there and i don't see him busting out 32nd note double bass beats, because he plays JAZZ not hardcore. The Rev plays whats good for the genre which most of the time doesn't have anything to do with jazz.
I'd first like to thank you for bashing my comment. As I've mentioned before, Blake Richardson of Between the Buried and Me displays a great knowledge of other types of drumming. I have Alaska, and I have heard City of Evil, and there is no doubt in my mind that Richardson is a better drummer. Although I prefer Between the Buried and Me to Avenged Sevenfold (whom I do not listen to), I am much more impressed with Richardson's ability to to incorporate other styles of music into his own. For example, the song "Laser Speed" by Between the Buried and Me is a Latin composition. I am not comparing The Reverand to any Jazz musicians, nor do I think he should play jazz for Avenged Sevenfold, but he does not bring anything new to Hardcore drumming; he simple rehashes what other Hardcore drummers have already done. Blake Richardson, however, along with Between the Buried and Me, seem to have revolutionized Hardcore.

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Old 06-11-2006, 08:04 PM
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I think he over plays the double bass thing. It doesn't fit every song.
I feel the same way. To many metal drummers overuse double bassing. I have found many drum parts by metal drummers which could have been much more interesting without double bassing.

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Old 06-13-2006, 03:53 PM
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The only A7X song I've heard is "Bat Country" and I kinda like it, and I think the Rev is pretty good at what he does. I'm not really into Hardcore, never have been, but they're alright. Like some others I don't really like the drum sound (on "Bat Country" anyway, don't know how representative it is of the Rev's sound choices)--snare sound is lost in the mix and the kicks sound kinda "Protooled" to me.
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Old 06-18-2006, 08:22 PM
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Default The Rev

Anyone know where I can find a profile of him?
I want to know what sticks he uses, cymbals, make of kit etc etc etc

I saw Avenged Sevenfold last weekend at Download Festival, he was AMAZING!
Great drummer!

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Old 06-19-2006, 10:47 AM
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oh god..i hate avenged sevenfold..i think the reverend has gotten just as much recognition as he deserves.
dude even if you hate avenged sevenfold, the guy is a damn good drummer
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Old 06-20-2006, 03:04 AM
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Based on "Bat Country" I think this drummer (stage names are the dumbest things in the history of music) is nothing more than a person who can play fast beats on a bass and has bad snare sound. Whatever happened to groove?
Agreed. No tempo.
Um, I'm like, really young and I have more tecnique than him.
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Old 06-20-2006, 06:36 PM
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When i first listened to bat country i really wasnt interested in his drumming all that much, but now when i listen to beast and the harlot, i think hes a really amazing drummer. His fills sound really good to me.
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Old 06-20-2006, 07:29 PM
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Yeah, does anyone know about his set up. Im interested in the snare he uses in particular, i kinda like it even though most dont't
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Old 06-20-2006, 07:35 PM
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Think ive discoverd the kit he uses,woo.For those who are interested: Dw Maple Collectors Series Drums, Black to Red Burst; 18x22" Bass; 7x8', 8x10", 9x12", 11x14", and 13x16" Toms (7x8' Tom not used live) 5x14" Pork Pie Snare Black DW Hardware and Pedals Sabian Cymbals (nt sure which yet) Pro Mark Sticks. This may not be 100%reliable obviously.

One more thing....A7X rule!!!
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Old 06-20-2006, 10:13 PM
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Think ive discoverd the kit he uses,woo.For those who are interested: Dw Maple Collectors Series Drums, Black to Red Burst; 18x22" Bass; 7x8', 8x10", 9x12", 11x14", and 13x16" Toms (7x8' Tom not used live) 5x14" Pork Pie Snare Black DW Hardware and Pedals Sabian Cymbals (nt sure which yet) Pro Mark Sticks. This may not be 100%reliable obviously.

One more thing....A7X rule!!!

I think you might be a little off on some of this stuff. He plays a PDP LXE series kit with all maple shells. The color is a charcoal fade. 18x22 bass, 5x14 snare, 8x10, 9x12, 12x14, 7x8, and 14x16 toms. He uses TX5BW promark sticks. And im not sure of his cymbal set up.
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Old 06-25-2006, 12:26 PM
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Default Avenged Sevenfold - The Rev

Anyone know where I can find any profile or something on the net?
Like a set up pic, info on what he uses (cymbals, sticks, kit) etc etc.

I can't seem to find anything...?

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Old 06-26-2006, 04:47 AM
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Anyone know where I can find any profile or something on the net?
Like a set up pic, info on what he uses (cymbals, sticks, kit) etc etc.

I can't seem to find anything...?

Jake
He uses DW, Promark, Sabian, and Evans. On Sounding The 7th Trumpet he used some blue drumset but i'm not sure what it was. On Waking The Fallen he used a red/black fade DW kit with zildjian cymbals which is my favorite one. And then he had an even different one which i've only seen in the video for Burn It Down but now he uses a Charcoal fade double bass DW kit which I don't like as much but hey it's a nice kit. Plus he uses some Pork Pie..I think he uses a Pork Pie kit in the studio but not sure.
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Old 06-26-2006, 08:33 PM
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http://youtube.com/watch?search=the+...&v=kUYiUXy9DcM

There you guys go, a link to see "The Rev" do his thing....
He is good, not that great live. But guess what the studio can make anyone sound amazing, I love what i hear in the A7X albums, but when i realize some of the stuff is just way too good and never duplicates it live then there is a serious problem.
But all in all he is good, not underratted and i dont think over rated, i just think if you guys watch this clip it will say a lot!
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Old 06-27-2006, 02:42 AM
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http://youtube.com/watch?search=the+...&v=kUYiUXy9DcM

There you guys go, a link to see "The Rev" do his thing....
Not bad.......I'm still not convinced (I didn't think his durmming on "Bat Country" was al that great to begin with). He can do the metal thing, but he really isn't all that different from the other drummers in his genre (plus he talks like abit of a goon).

I know he's a Sabian guy, but he was using A custom fast crashes; then again, you can't hear cymbal companies in a recording.

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Old 06-27-2006, 08:52 PM
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This is the stupidest comment I've seen on this forum. He brings great fills with uniqueness and flare to genre not just constant buzz rolls down the line. And who says you have to know about jazz to be a good hardcore drummer. Roy Haynes is one of the best jazz players out there and i don't see him busting out 32nd note double bass beats, because he plays JAZZ not hardcore. The Rev plays whats good for the genre which most of the time doesn't have anything to do with jazz.
i have your back on this one. just because you dont like a genre doesnt mean the people that play arent good. understandiong that makes me listen to alot of things and i can appreciate it too.
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:26 PM
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Here is my opinion. I read everysingle post on this thread and it all comes down to what music you listen to. I doubt that a fusion drummer would appreciate the revs drumming, but a metal head would greatly appreciate his apptitude of drumming. I personaly think he is a fantastic drummer, whos main focus seems not to be to beat up a drum set but to keep good time, which he does quite well. This is why I appreciate him. Think of bands like zztop whos drummer kept time like a solid metronome, was he critisised because he didn't play like peart. I think that some people in this thread don't like the rev purely because he dosn't do incredible fills for nearly the song like most metal drummers do.
I can also appreciate A7X for the fact that they can all play their instruement well. That's why rush is so amazing, because they can all play the instruement they play above the norm.

If you do not like the rev though, please back up why with an ansewer other than he isn't as a good as lombardo or kolialas,ect...
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:41 PM
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I personaly think he is a fantastic drummer, whos main focus seems not to be to beat up a drum set but to keep good time, which he does quite well.
Yes, but that doesn't exactly make you a fantastic drummer. I can keep good time. Stu can keep good time. The difference between us and actual fantastic drummers - like, say, Gavin Harrison or Billy Ward just to pick two who hang around here - is that they do things above and beyond just keeping good time. They manage to do things which are actually creative and interesting, which I really didn't see any of in that video. All I saw was poor technique and stereotypical metal drumming without any spice or pizazz.
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:44 PM
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What annoyed me about that clip (and based solely upon that clip) was just the sheer lack of imagination. He did nothing there that Lars Ulrich could and was doing back in the early 80's, which is saying something. The sound was awful and I just got so plain bored with the drumming. Sorry to any A7X fans out there, and I know there are a lot, but I just didn't find that clip remotely interesting.
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I know what you mean I was just pointing an important quality in him that makes him good. I say he's good because of this because he does keep time better than alot of drummer. I didn't mean to annoy you. I should've been more direct.
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Old 07-03-2006, 01:30 AM
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Finnhiggins said: "I really, really don't like their (Avenged Sevenfold) drummer's technique -he just hammers away like a basher, almost all of it from the arms rather than wrists. No obvious finesse at all, and from all reports he can't pull off the album parts live either."

I partially agree wih the first part: I'm not so sure of the Reverend's skill, although he has pretty good studio performances based on Waking the Fallen and City of Evil. But I have heard that this guy is not good live. I did not catch them live, but my friend said the Reverend was not good (he is a fan and a drummer), and it played with no "umph" in his perfromance.

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Old 07-24-2006, 12:01 AM
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Dude, what are you talking about, i love the sound of his drums on bat country. I think the snare sounds amazing and compliments the song perfectly, his drummin is spot on!
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Old 07-26-2006, 05:37 AM
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What I've noticed about The Rev is that he has some good chops, but alot of it is triggered.

When I first heard them, I thought he was amazing, then after seeing him actually play, its obvious that hes not doing everything you hear.

I'm not saying he's a bad player by any means, I'm just saying, he won't be the next drum god
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:03 PM
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Ok friends - finally added on Drummerworld:

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers..._Sullivan.html

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Old 08-08-2006, 01:26 AM
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I don't like the way he sets up his floor toms; I prefer mine to be parallel to the ground, like my snare.

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my band asked me to play beast and the harlot today as our cover for out next gig....I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE ON DOUBLE BASS! He's way too fast for me. horrible snare sound.
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I reli dnt like his new set up!!! its just donyt look comfturbul and looks like sthey set it up in a hurry...i liked his single bass set up beta!
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apparently all of you that say he is a basher dont listen to drums when u listen to music, u just assume. ive spent like the past 2 weeks going through only like 4 songs, probably the ones you guys didnt listen to, and his drumming is AMAZING. listen to The Wicked End, Betrayed, Sidewinder, and Strength of the World. His drumming completely changes, and he is insanely intricate with his style. and for all of you that said the DEP drummer was better, im ashamed of you, because he is just a steriotypical screamo drummer....
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I think the Rev is simply fantastic. And for you all that don't like the snare sound, the Rev said that almost all of his snare hits were rimshots, so there you go. I think he's great; he changes up a lot, and is creative. It seems a lot of you disagree, but that's fine. We all have our opinions.
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Seriously, there's whole worlds of drumming between where this guy is and where Chris Pennie is at. Pennie is terrifyingly good, this guy with the stage name appears decidedly average from everything I've seen.

As for the rimshots thing, that goes for most pro drummers since about the early 80s. It's no excuse for an abrasive snare sound - rimshots are an integral part of Vinnie's snare playing for a start. I don't hear people complaining about his sound in the same way.
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what are drum triggers exactly? dont they just smooth out the sound or am i missing something? He sounds good on all the songs, i like how he doesnt over due the double bass
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what are drum triggers exactly? dont they just smooth out the sound or am i missing something?
Triggers plug into a drum brain, which converts acoustic hits into MIDI events - basically makes it like pressing a key on a MIDI keyboard every time you hit one of your drums. You can then use those events to trigger electronic sounds, usually samples of some description.

In short, triggers make an acoustic kit produce electronic kit sounds. They're good for some things, but a lot of metal drummers use them because they can't achieve sufficient power with their hands or feet so they trigger some stupendously loud sample whenever they tap the drum gently.

Triggers are fine if you have a creative use for them, but if you're just using them as a crutch to make up for your inability to play the instrument they're pretty clearly the suck. Also I'd like to point out that all the people judging this Rev character by his playing on very heavily-produced album tracks are probably barking up the wrong tree. Here's some videos on the kind of stuff that can be done these days with timing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jhVkzFyacM (watch the whole series)

Combine that with the ability to replace drum hits with samples even when you're NOT using triggers and MIDI stuff can be snapped into perfect time with live playing and you have an environment where nearly ANY drummer can sound like a hyper-technical metal god without actually being able to play their instrument. The test of a metal drummer is whether they can play their stuff live, nowadays: the last Meshuggah album didn't even have any live drums on it, it was all programmed.

So if this Rev guy can't pull his parts off live then he just plain can't play them, and he doesn't deserve all the attention he's getting.
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does the reverand have a real name?
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Great drummer listen to blinded in chains that shows his skill, he deserves to be here and is underated greatly.
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My opinion is that the rev is a really great drummer, indeed his snare sucks but he plays so fantastic... yeah maybe he doesn't put nuances like a jazz player but damn, he's a Metal drummer. I don't really like his setup neither, but its more like Iron Maiden's drummer, and it's their biggest influence

And do anyone here listened to him live ? I got twice, and HELL YEAH he reproduce all his tracks like a god ! I mean, there's no lack in his live play, he plays the same way as in studio. The only song that I wanted to hear from them and that they didn't play both time I saw them live, is sidewinder.

BTW, his name is James Sullivan
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Old 12-23-2006, 08:08 AM
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His drumming completely changes, and he is insanely intricate with his style. and for all of you that said the DEP drummer was better, im ashamed of you, because he is just a steriotypical screamo drummer....
I'm sorry, but that is actually offensive to read. Ok I'm kidding but you might want to study up a bit before you say anything like that
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All of you that have talked about his tightness, chops, fitting with the band, obviously haven't done an A-B comparison between the City Of Evil / Waking The Fallen albums, and the Sounding The Seventh Trumpet album.

COE, and WTF are uber engineered, edited and processed which is why his kit sounds as it does and how he plays so tightly with the band, cos a protools engineer has cut the drum tracks up and moved them into place with the rest of the band. As far as I can tell, A7X's budget was slightly smaller on the STST album so we hear them as they are. Loose. Like their playing material too tricky for them. Just listen to the bass drum when it should be in sync with the guitar chugs, or his immense tom fills that dont quite end on the beat.

Dont get me wrong, I have seen them live, and they get most of it right, but as it's been said on previous pages in this thread, most of it is triggered as u can see by the mahoosive rack of samplers, midi processors, etc that sits on his left in the photos.
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Old 01-30-2007, 06:04 PM
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sullivan is one of my favorite drummers. he's got some serious chops
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