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Old 02-08-2018, 03:19 PM
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Default Buying all new cymbals...I like the K-Hybrids

I've played drums for over 40 years. Currently I have a mix and match set of older cymbals. Zildjian A crash and Vintage A HH's. Paiste alpha ride. Paiste crash. Zildjian a custom splash. Zildjian ZBT china.

I do not play out (but plan to). I play classic rock (Rush, Who, etc), progressive rock (think early Genesis, Pink Floyd, King crimson), Jazz (think Joe Morello, Weckle, etc).

I was leaning for a new set of Zildjian A series since they are quite adaptive to any music. I also played Sabian Artisans (i love the HH's) Paragons. The Meinl Byzance traditionals were quite impressive as well. I played quite a few Paiste cymbals and would be please, however, I did not have a real connection like I did the Zildjians and Sabian Artisans. The Paragons seemed like a higher priced, louder A series.

The K custom Hybrids stood out ( I only played HH and ride). Nice jazzy tone...plus seems quite usable for Rock and hard rock as well. Not as dark as standard K's...not as bright and shimmering as A customs.

Just curious if others are using the Hybrids as a good all around cymbal?
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Old 02-08-2018, 03:27 PM
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I've played drums for over 40 years. Currently I have a mix and match set of older cymbals. Zildjian A crash and Vintage A HH's. Paiste alpha ride. Paiste crash. Zildjian a custom splash. Zildjian ZBT china.

I do not play out (but plan to). I play classic rock (Rush, Who, etc), progressive rock (think early Genesis, Pink Floyd, King crimson), Jazz (think Joe Morello, Weckle, etc).

I was leaning for a new set of Zildjian A series since they are quite adaptive to any music. I also played Sabian Artisans (i love the HH's) Paragons. The Meinl Byzance traditionals were quite impressive as well. I played quite a few Paiste cymbals and would be please, however, I did not have a real connection like I did the Zildjians and Sabian Artisans. The Paragons seemed like a higher priced, louder A series.

The K custom Hybrids stood out ( I only played HH and ride). Nice jazzy tone...plus seems quite usable for Rock and hard rock as well. Not as dark as standard K's...not as bright and shimmering as A customs.

Just curious if others are using the Hybrids as a good all around cymbal?
Check out the new K sweet.

They seem pretty versatile.
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Old 02-08-2018, 04:21 PM
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You can't really go wrong with As/Ks/AA/HH/Byzance/Giant Beat/2002 if you're thinking the big brands.

From your current set up a higher quality ride will be the biggest benefit to you. Try as many as you can in person before you make your choice.

Show us some pics of the new pies anyways!
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: Buying all new cymbals...I like the K-Hybrids

There are so many choices out there. I also like the regular Zildjian K line.
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:48 AM
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I've always played Zildjian. Thought Paiste's looked cheap and machine made-yes I was an idiot. Beside Paiste, Sabian, Bosphorus, Instabuls, Meinl, big names-new comers Soultone, Dream, Murat Diril, Supernatural and Zion are making fine cymbals too. I'd like to change up but I've invested a ton in Zildjian but some of these newcomers I'd like to try.
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Old 02-09-2018, 04:52 AM
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Default Re: Buying all new cymbals...I like the K-Hybrids

If you've tried a variety of cymbals, and the K Custom Hybrids are the ones calling out to you, then those are the ones you should get.
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Old 02-09-2018, 07:20 AM
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I like regular K's too, and especially the Dark Thin crashes. These days, with the Meinl Byzance Sand/extra dry etc. being very popular, the standard K's aren't very dark at all. Just good allround cymbals! I find the KC Hybrids a bit brash.
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Old 02-09-2018, 01:35 PM
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I like regular K's too, and especially the Dark Thin crashes. These days, with the Meinl Byzance Sand/extra dry etc. being very popular, the standard K's aren't very dark at all. Just good allround cymbals! I find the KC Hybrids a bit brash.
That's funny. I plan on keeping my 1960's Ludwig Maple Classics as a smaller second kit (buying new drums next year) and thinking of the Benny Greb pack. If I did not play such a wide variety of music, I would be all over these things.

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Old 02-09-2018, 02:14 PM
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I use a 20Ē K Custom Hybrid ride. I love it. Itís a great sounding cymbal that works as a good Crash too. I donít really use it as a crash, but it is versatile.
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Old 02-09-2018, 02:22 PM
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I like regular K's too, and especially the Dark Thin crashes. These days, with the Meinl Byzance Sand/extra dry etc. being very popular, the standard K's aren't very dark at all. Just good allround cymbals! I find the KC Hybrids a bit brash.
I love the dark thin crashes and then I got my hands on an Amedia Vintage 20" crash. That's the way to go if you like thin dark cymbals that are old school.

Not sure where the OP is from but Amedia are the best cymbals for the money in the UK but they are based on the other side of the pond as well. I was at the local music store not long back and the price of cymbals is getting silly here.
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Old 02-09-2018, 02:52 PM
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I love the dark thin crashes and then I got my hands on an Amedia Vintage 20" crash. That's the way to go if you like thin dark cymbals that are old school.

Not sure where the OP is from but Amedia are the best cymbals for the money in the UK but they are based on the other side of the pond as well. I was at the local music store not long back and the price of cymbals is getting silly here.
I'm in the US. I'll check out Amedia's site.
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You can't really go wrong with As/Ks/AA/HH/Byzance/Giant Beat/2002 if you're thinking the big brands.

From your current set up a higher quality ride will be the biggest benefit to you. Try as many as you can in person before you make your choice.

Show us some pics of the new pies anyways!
I agree with this accessment. The only one I see a need to replace is tha Alpha ride. Buying new wonít guarantee better sound
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Old 02-09-2018, 03:23 PM
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I agree with this accessment. The only one I see a need to replace is tha Alpha ride. Buying new won’t guarantee better sound
I'm just replacing entire cymbal set. Just looking for something new. I actually like the ride. Really a decent all rounder for the price back in the day. The original crash and rides I had, were vintage 60's Zildians like my HH's (they all came with Ludwig drumset when I purchased used back in 78) had major keyhole issues. The previous owner did not use any cymbal stem sleeves and must have played the cymbals in more of a vertical position. Basically a second hole was "etched" along side the original. Very problematic, especially the crash, since the cymbal would always favor the second hole.

When I purchase a new set, I'll use my current drums as a second, scaled down set. I'm thinking of the Byzance Sand set or purchase vintage A's to go along with my HH's (which still sound great) for the second set

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Old 02-09-2018, 09:54 PM
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I've played drums for over 40 years. Currently I have a mix and match set of older cymbals. Zildjian A crash and Vintage A HH's. Paiste alpha ride. Paiste crash. Zildjian a custom splash. Zildjian ZBT china.

I do not play out (but plan to). I play classic rock (Rush, Who, etc), progressive rock (think early Genesis, Pink Floyd, King crimson), Jazz (think Joe Morello, Weckle, etc).

I was leaning for a new set of Zildjian A series since they are quite adaptive to any music. I also played Sabian Artisans (i love the HH's) Paragons. The Meinl Byzance traditionals were quite impressive as well. I played quite a few Paiste cymbals and would be please, however, I did not have a real connection like I did the Zildjians and Sabian Artisans. The Paragons seemed like a higher priced, louder A series.

The K custom Hybrids stood out ( I only played HH and ride). Nice jazzy tone...plus seems quite usable for Rock and hard rock as well. Not as dark as standard K's...not as bright and shimmering as A customs.

Just curious if others are using the Hybrids as a good all around cymbal?
I've been using the hats and 20" ride exclusively for almost 8 years. I have two 13.25" hi-hat tops and they're both very different from one another. One is much brighter than the other, so I will switch them in and out depending on where I'm playing. I also have a Z custom bottom that I'll put on top or under either of the K's depending on the situation. They're very versatile.

I play in an 11 piece band that plays all different music, and these cymbals can take you in all different directions from song to song. I'm not crazy about the crashes(the china is great although not very durable), but the hats and ride get an A+.

I would look into the 14" hats and 21" ride, too. Those options weren't available when I was buying.
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Old 02-09-2018, 11:18 PM
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I've been using the hats and 20" ride exclusively for almost 8 years. I have two 13.25" hi-hat tops and they're both very different from one another. One is much brighter than the other, so I will switch them in and out depending on where I'm playing. I also have a Z custom bottom that I'll put on top or under either of the K's depending on the situation. They're very versatile.

I play in an 11 piece band that plays all different music, and these cymbals can take you in all different directions from song to song. I'm not crazy about the crashes(the china is great although not very durable), but the hats and ride get an A+.

I would look into the 14" hats and 21" ride, too. Those options weren't available when I was buying.

Yes..I would buy the Hybrid pack that comes with the 14 1/4 HH and 21 inch ride. What about the crashes are you not crazy about?
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Old 02-10-2018, 06:42 AM
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I haven't had much experience with the K Custom Hybrid cymbals, but the 21" ride is awesome. It is darker in tone than an A or A Custom, but subtly brighter than the 22" K Ride. It has the perfect amount of ping to carry through a hard rock mix, but it is a lot more crashable than you would expect it to be. However, I would have to say that the bell is where this cymbal stands out, as it is definitely dark while remaining focused and cutting.
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:18 PM
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I did some more cymbal sampling and a few observations:

-The hybrids are still the winner, the regular K's second

- I was very surprised how good the $499 (for the pack) Meinl Dark Classics sounded. Not certain how durable they would be. They look fantastic as well.

-Very surprised at the regular Meiln Classics. In fact, I prefered the 14 Classic HiHat over the sabian AA 14 inch HiHat. Still hard to beat New Beats.

- For some reason, maybe a different batch of cymbals, I was less impressed with the Sabian HHX line. It was a different store...maybe a different batch (same evolution set)

- The Meinl Byzance sand cymbals were the best dark cymbals I have ever heard...period. I'm not big on the 'trash can--rusty" look...they are totally awesome.

I think I'm going to purchase a set of K Hybrids while the AT mic promotion is going on (I have much better overhead mics...but I'm always willing to add more to my mic cabinet--even cheap pencil condensors).
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:59 PM
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The biggest issue I've seen with the big box stores displaying thin cymbals like the HHX Evolutions is they totally choke them by putting the felts on too tight. That totally kills their sound. The Meinel darks and Zildjian Ks by comparison have thicker bells and not quite as impacted, though it lessens their sustain as well. Listen to the Evos on Memphis Drum Shop, then compare to what you remember hearing. The Evos are fairly consistent, so if they didn't sustain like the MDS recordings, they were chocked to death.

Before I bought mine, I was looking at the same options as you. The Evos sit right in with your other choices.
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Old 02-13-2018, 12:41 AM
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The biggest issue I've seen with the big box stores displaying thin cymbals like the HHX Evolutions is they totally choke them by putting the felts on too tight. That totally kills their sound. The Meinel darks and Zildjian Ks by comparison have thicker bells and not quite as impacted, though it lessens their sustain as well. Listen to the Evos on Memphis Drum Shop, then compare to what you remember hearing. The Evos are fairly consistent, so if they didn't sustain like the MDS recordings, they were chocked to death.

Before I bought mine, I was looking at the same options as you. The Evos sit right in with your other choices.
I agree. It's slim pickin's for any instrument unless you are looking for "entry-mid" level stuff. We have a very good drum shop that has top level gear in stock, Guitar (gutter) Center and Sam Ashe. I visited GC and SA this past weekend. The selection of drums is downright pitiful unless you want electronic drums. The GC only had a used DW classic maple kit. Everything else was entry level DWs and Ludwigs. Sam Ash did have a Ludiwig maple classic kit sitting high on a shelf.

I get that inventory for instruments can get expensive, so I guess it's best to stock the fast moving items.

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Old 02-23-2018, 09:35 PM
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Yes..I would buy the Hybrid pack that comes with the 14 1/4 HH and 21 inch ride. What about the crashes are you not crazy about?
I'm sorry for the delayed response, but I haven't been on the boards in awhile.

From what I remember, the crashes I tried took a little bit too much to open up. They didn't feel great and they were a little too bright for what I was looking for. I like the K Dark crashes much better. Purely a taste thing, so you may love them.
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Old 02-24-2018, 05:42 PM
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Another option you may wish to explore is custom ordering a set of cymbals from an independent cymbalsmith.

It's like getting top endorser treatment, but you get to work with the guy actually making your cymbals, not just some factory rep.

ummmm.... they won't be free, though. :-)

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Old 02-25-2018, 01:41 PM
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Another option you may wish to explore is custom ordering a set of cymbals from an independent cymbalsmith.

It's like getting top endorser treatment, but you get to work with the guy actually making your cymbals, not just some factory rep.

ummmm.... they won't be free, though. :-)

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Old 02-25-2018, 06:36 PM
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I also found the KC hybrids leaning more towards bright, especially the crashs, of the ones I tried, I liked the ride the most, which did sound very nice to me. I also have an older alpha ride and agree it's not bad, especially for what I paid, but it too is more brash, washey and bright.

Since you already have bright covered with your current set, I would consider this, if you're looking for a contrast to what you already own.
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:30 AM
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I also found the KC hybrids leaning more towards bright, especially the crashs, of the ones I tried, I liked the ride the most, which did sound very nice to me. I also have an older alpha ride and agree it's not bad, especially for what I paid, but it too is more brash, washey and bright.

Since you already have bright covered with your current set, I would consider this, if you're looking for a contrast to what you already own.
Yes...the regular K series is still in the running. If I knew I was only going to play jazz or improvised music...the Meinl Benny Greb Sand dry cymbals are really something.
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Old 03-01-2018, 03:41 AM
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I've ben thinking of a nice combination to try as a set behind drums somewhere. All Sabian

14 HHX Groove hats

21 HHX groove ride

2 (16, 17 or 18) evolution crashes.

The studio crashes would be nice as well

The groove crash sounds a bit flat on videos. I did like the 17 evolution crash I tried a while back. On paper, this looks like a versatile set of crashes that would sound good at pretty much anything (except maybe death metal or something).
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Old 03-04-2018, 06:20 PM
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I don't see why not. I use 16 and 18 Evo crashes with an old players grade 21 HH RBDR, see avatar, and really dig them. The evo are darkish and warm, but not excessively dry. The RBDR is just a great, versatile song ride, that I love. The Alpha sounds harsh in comparison. I can't speak to the Groove ride, but have "heard good things", lol.

I also have a 16 K Dark Medium Thin crash. The evo is much thinner, lower pitched, and very focused sounding, with the K having more shimmering overtones. They are both fast, but the evo is faster. That said, they both offer a sweet warm tone, and are more similar than different. About the time I think I like one the most, I put up the other and enjoy it too.

The ride is the trickiest to find the exact right one, at least in my search. Good luck.
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