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Old 02-05-2018, 09:44 PM
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Been watching Rick's series "What makes this song great". While it is song centric and covers all of the tracks, it does feature some drum specific conversation..


Steely Dan example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKIC9zbSJoE

Police example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZavJLr5Otq4

Take a listen and tell me what you think.
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Old 02-07-2018, 12:17 AM
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Listened to the Steely Dan one, very entertaining and informative. Its awesome to be able to listen to isolated tracks like that and really break the song and parts down. Purdie sounds amazing isolated, of course. Police next....

Great post
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Old 02-07-2018, 01:14 AM
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Listened to the Steely Dan one, very entertaining and informative. Its awesome to be able to listen to isolated tracks like that and really break the song and parts down. Purdie sounds amazing isolated, of course. Police next....

Great post
I was watching the SD episode, and it occurred to me....

This guy is a much better armchair guitarist than I am. I guess I need a better chair now.

The Pearl Jam episode is amazing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usRmxyGruWI
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Old 02-07-2018, 01:57 AM
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I bet his hair is more amazing than yours too. Really enjoying these!
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Old 02-07-2018, 02:29 PM
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I wish I had the ability to isolate tracks to learn songs during the 60-80s. I just kept listening to a song trying to decipher what the drummer was doing-often I complicated the heck out of a song only to later in life discover when video came out and you could see and hear the drummer was doing something completely different from what I thought. Some I discovered were so simple-yet the sounded so complicated-I was flabbergasted. Rick is a phenomenal guitarist-I like how it breaks it all down. It'd be nice to see a drummer break down songs like that-yes there are plenty of videos of drummers showing a lick or pattern (like Jeff Porcaro and the Roseanna shuffle or Purdie showing his shuffle), but they usually don't break down the whole song. But I love, as a guitarist, he is giving a drums a due appreciation in the song.
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Old 02-11-2018, 11:29 PM
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Just watched the Police vid. Man this guy is awesome, he points out so many little details that you hear but may not really pick up on. Must be fabulous to have that level of musical knowledge/awareness.
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:15 PM
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I just watched his video comparing harmonic structures and elements of Holst's Planets with Williams' Star Wars. This guy really knows his stuff!
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:40 PM
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I just watched the Police one.
Great details, although I disagree with the description of the verse as a G Lydian mode. I've always heard it as D major, just moving from 4 up to 7, finally reaching chord I for the chorus.
I feel that the song simply swaps between D major and D minor, which explains the Bb and F chords in the bridge. Still a great analysis though. If he was one of my students I'd give him an A grade.
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:51 PM
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This guy is terrific. His depth of knowledge is impressive. The kind of guy you want producing your record.
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Old 02-12-2018, 03:16 PM
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He has some great stories and insight.
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Old 02-18-2018, 10:06 PM
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Spoonman...


F' yeah!

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Old 02-18-2018, 10:47 PM
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Awesome! Great hearing the isolated vocals, powerful stuff. Ur also the man for bringing these to our attention KamaK
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:10 AM
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Michael McDonald has a fantastic voice-to this day-both in Steely and Doobie as well as solo career and all the other contributions.
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:13 PM
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The new Tool episode is a materclass is counting and understanding meter changes. I do really enjoy this series, hopefully he keeps doing more.
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:20 PM
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Shucks.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnp2VS2cBwA
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Old 12-24-2018, 08:32 PM
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Let's keep Kamak's thread alive...
What Makes this Song Great? by Rick Beato

I've been slowing going through this series and find it fascinating. His expertise, the breakdown, the isolated tracks, etc... are just amazing.

Just finished YES - Roundabout ep.36

and the series...What Makes this Song Great
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Old 12-24-2018, 10:12 PM
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Have you seen his kid?? Holy cow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkx64H0F9Rk
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Subscribed! ;-)
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Old 12-27-2018, 09:20 AM
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A bit of a rant from my personal perspective which may or may not be relevant to anyone else ...

Here's my problem. I watched the videos that were linked and I thought wow, this is pretty cool. This guy is breaking down some truly classic songs and showing me the magic that makes them work.

But then I saw one of the videos was about why an Adele song was 'great'.

And then why a Queens of the Stone Age song was 'great'.

And then why a Stone Temple Pilots song was 'great'.

And I started to think ... does 'great' even have a meaning anymore?

If he had called the series "what makes this song work", or "the secrets behind this song" ... I wouldn't even bat an eye.

But if Adele is 'great' like The Police were great ... if a forgettable grunge copycat song like 'Vaseline' is 'great' like 'Roundabout' was great ... does the word even have meaning anymore?
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Old 12-28-2018, 03:36 PM
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Yea, you might be picking the fly **** from the pepper.

I view this the same as folks using ‘Perfect’ way to much these days. Perfect? Really?

Or it wasn’t that long ago, everything was EPIC.
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Old 12-28-2018, 04:36 PM
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Well he does qualify-What makes the song "Great" not "Greatest". Only Ali is the Greatest-well Buddy Rich knew karate so he may have given Ali a run ;)-so he's the Greatest after all ROFLMAO.
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Old 12-28-2018, 05:51 PM
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Adele has a once in a generation voice. She is Great.

Nothing second rate or grunge about Vasoline. Go listen to Mudhoney or Naked Raygun and tell me where the similarities are. But I had to look up what Roundabout was.......so im not sure how great it could have been.

And Queens of the Stone age are, or at least were, a genre defining band. He didnt choose my favorite song. But hey, its all subjective.

The point is that any of us would have loved to have the success that any of the songs he is reviewing have had. I personally think many songs are great, my guess is you would disagree with my choices. Thats the beauty of music.
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Old 12-28-2018, 06:20 PM
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A bit of a rant from my personal perspective which may or may not be relevant to anyone else ...

Here's my problem. I watched the videos that were linked and I thought wow, this is pretty cool. This guy is breaking down some truly classic songs and showing me the magic that makes them work.

But then I saw one of the videos was about why an Adele song was 'great'.

And then why a Queens of the Stone Age song was 'great'.

And then why a Stone Temple Pilots song was 'great'.

And I started to think ... does 'great' even have a meaning anymore?

If he had called the series "what makes this song work", or "the secrets behind this song" ... I wouldn't even bat an eye.

But if Adele is 'great' like The Police were great ... if a forgettable grunge copycat song like 'Vaseline' is 'great' like 'Roundabout' was great ... does the word even have meaning anymore?
Those songs and artists you mentioned are all great.

Especially Adele, “Someone like you” is one of the most passionate vocal performances ever recorded.

Great doesn’t just mean songs you liked as a teenager
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Old 12-30-2018, 12:56 AM
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A bit of a rant from my personal perspective which may or may not be relevant to anyone else ...

Here's my problem. I watched the videos that were linked and I thought wow, this is pretty cool. This guy is breaking down some truly classic songs and showing me the magic that makes them work.

But then I saw one of the videos was about why an Adele song was 'great'.

And then why a Queens of the Stone Age song was 'great'.

And then why a Stone Temple Pilots song was 'great'.

And I started to think ... does 'great' even have a meaning anymore?

If he had called the series "what makes this song work", or "the secrets behind this song" ... I wouldn't even bat an eye.

But if Adele is 'great' like The Police were great ... if a forgettable grunge copycat song like 'Vaseline' is 'great' like 'Roundabout' was great ... does the word even have meaning anymore?

I see the word 'Great' meaning... what made those songs the huge hits they were/are.

This series far surpasses the theory and composition classes I took in university. Rick digs deep, into both the musicianship (I consider the voice an instrument) and production of each song. He delivers more info in each video than any of the lectures I endured.
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And I started to think ... does 'great' even have a meaning anymore?
Very much has a meaning. Its not a "one and only" or even "a few", its really just "of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average"(from Wiki)
I think Rick is using the word perfectly.
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I love these types of rockumentaries or series. Can someone explain to me where he gets copies of the masters for his desk? Thanks in advance.
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A bit of a rant from my personal perspective which may or may not be relevant to anyone else ...

Here's my problem. I watched the videos that were linked and I thought wow, this is pretty cool. This guy is breaking down some truly classic songs and showing me the magic that makes them work.

But then I saw one of the videos was about why an Adele song was 'great'.

And then why a Queens of the Stone Age song was 'great'.

And then why a Stone Temple Pilots song was 'great'.

And I started to think ... does 'great' even have a meaning anymore?

If he had called the series "what makes this song work", or "the secrets behind this song" ... I wouldn't even bat an eye.

But if Adele is 'great' like The Police were great ... if a forgettable grunge copycat song like 'Vaseline' is 'great' like 'Roundabout' was great ... does the word even have meaning anymore?
Well, it's estimated over 1,000,000 songs are released per year.
So out some 30 to 50 million songs that could have been chosen, he chose some 10 to 20 to be labeled great.

That doesn't seem like an over use of the term great.

Break it down: The Police released approximately 50 songs in their career. 13 of 50 were "hits" of some sort. He called one of them great.
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Old 12-30-2018, 08:43 AM
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Those songs and artists you mentioned are all great.

Especially Adele, “Someone like you” is one of the most passionate vocal performances ever recorded.

Great doesn’t just mean songs you liked as a teenager
Sweet. I can't wait for Rick's breakdown of "The Sign" by Ace of Base. What a passionate performance. And it sold a gagillionty copies, and it didn't come out when I was a teenager. Must be 'great'. Right?
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Sweet. I can't wait for Rick's breakdown of "The Sign" by Ace of Base. What a passionate performance. And it sold a gagillionty copies, and it didn't come out when I was a teenager. Must be 'great'. Right?
Yeah, wiseass. Do you honestly think that Adele's performance on that song was anything less than stellar? Have you actually listened to the song and read the lyrics?

It's not Ace of Base I tell you that. The very fact that you would lump her in with that Abba rip-off tells me you are out of touch because those two artists couldn't be further apart in terms of style and approach. Hurry up and tell those kids to get off your lawn
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Sweet. I can't wait for Rick's breakdown of "The Sign" by Ace of Base. What a passionate performance. And it sold a gagillionty copies, and it didn't come out when I was a teenager. Must be 'great'. Right?
If you're comparing Adele's performance to Ace of Base, you may just want to bow out of this thread.
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I honestly have no idea who Adele is.

I know it's the name of a singer, but that's about it.
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I like what Rick is doing, but maybe he is overthinking this. Yes, he is analyzing and breaking everything down to its simplest form, which is cool, but I highly doubt that 90% of what he is telling us was even relatively close to what was going through the musicians minds when writing the songs. Don't we write songs because they make us feel a certain way, and not because of technical jargon some theorists have come up with? Like, I don't like my car because it has certain pistons, valves, exhaust, blah blah blah. I like it because I like it, not all the technical crap that makes it whole. Seriously, who likes a song because there is a paradiddle here, or a sweep there? Or who writes a song thinking I need a paradiddle here and a sweep there? It really bugs me when people cite technical aspects that make something great. It was the specific musicians at that certain time that made the song great, not the technicality of the music itself.

Again, I think what Rick does is cool, but I think his reasoning for what makes the song itself great is misguided.
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Again, I think what Rick does is cool, but I think his reasoning for what makes the song itself great is misguided.
Watch a few and you will see that he actually says quite a bit that the artists dont usually think in terms of technical application, but they just innately understand what sounds good. As a guitarist I like breaking down songs and learning how bands I enjoy write songs.

Watch the newest one on Green Day. They way the bass line and kick interact, and the little diminshed chord at the end of the chorus, all things that I can try and bring into my own writing. Prople who dont write music may not care, but watching a professional break down popular songs is immensely helpful.
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Watch a few and you will see that he actually says quite a bit that the artists dont usually think in terms of technical application, but they just innately understand what sounds good. As a guitarist I like breaking down songs and learning how bands I enjoy write songs.

Watch the newest one on Green Day. They way the bass line and kick interact, and the little diminshed chord at the end of the chorus, all things that I can try and bring into my own writing. Prople who dont write music may not care, but watching a professional break down popular songs is immensely helpful.
I shall watch more then. I'll try to look at it differently this time. Technical jargon can be overwhelming, especially if you aren't familiar with it. I need to learn my guitar more.
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Okay I've watched more. I think it's just too much other instrument info for me to process. When he starts talking about modes, inverted chords, this kinda stuff loses me. I get what he is saying, but it is a lot to process for the untrained.

I watched some of his other videos too. I would love to pick his brain. His depth of knowledge is incredible.
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That's the point....his channel is geared toward advanced theory stuff. The "What makes this song great?" series is just his most popular one, but its actually less advanced and technical than his other videos.
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I honestly have no idea who Adele is.

I know it's the name of a singer, but that's about it.
And I have no idea who Tool are, ditto some of the other acts that are revered on here.

You and I both have areas of musical ignorance, and that's just fine.

Not sure why you would choose to trumpet your ignorance though. And if you don't know who Adele is, or do know, but couldn't give a flying fuck about her music, that's cool.

I know who she is, would recognise her voice in a song (probably), but don't consider myself a fan. None of which diminishes her talent.
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I tried to give this channel a fair chance last year, but I just couldn't make it happen.


He spends so much time sitting there with his two bros complaining away about how impossible it is to make a living in music anymore, and how the pinnacle of all music ever were the Beatles and Nirvana, in his opinion. Then if you disagree with him in the comments, he gets into some really childish extended flamewars with you. For a while, watching him duke it out with viewers made for some pretty funny unintentional comedy, but I got bored with even that after a while, and quit watching.


Guys like him are a dime a dozen at every mom-&-pop music store I've ever visited IRL. Blowhards who think they're either rock stars, or brilliant jazz cats.


I'd rather stick with the dude from Chicago who talks you through his Bonzo covers.
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