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Old 01-23-2018, 04:53 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcSGQKb7mog

You guys have any suggestions on shovel choices? Someone suggested in the comments that I detach it from the handle, and drill a hole in the centre. Could be cool?

Thoughts?
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Old 01-23-2018, 02:06 PM
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I guess if you are really bored and are just looking for Youtube hits, this might have a purpose.
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Old 01-23-2018, 02:18 PM
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Combine it with a water tank https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XJVWlD4pCw for that full industrial flavour
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Old 01-31-2018, 06:41 PM
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I guess if you are really bored and are just looking for Youtube hits, this might have a purpose.
Not bored, just having fun. :)
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Old 01-31-2018, 06:42 PM
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Combine it with a water tank https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XJVWlD4pCw for that full industrial flavour
Great idea! Ill have to check out this video. Sounds promising.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:46 AM
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Not bored, just having fun. :)


Make it a round point and 'Grave Digger' more likely to hire you.
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Old 02-02-2018, 02:47 AM
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Make it a round point and 'Grave Digger' more likely to hire you.
haha right. Im sure they all sound different.
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Old 02-03-2018, 04:12 PM
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Shovels and tanks, why not ?
I have some kitchen cookware mounted on stands for performance.
And I perform professionally on washboard and spoons.
Here's one of my idols, John Sparrow, playing his Weber charcoal grill on TV, with Violent Femmes :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPsywY2Xpuk
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Stuff like this is creative for sure (and somewhat musical), but it's never practical.
Now, I've conditioned some saw blades to use as effects cymbals on more than one occasion.
They sound pretty good as bells and can be quite musical if arranged right.
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Old 02-06-2018, 06:22 PM
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Stuff like this is creative for sure (and somewhat musical), but it's never practical.
Now, I've conditioned some saw blades to use as effects cymbals on more than one occasion.
They sound pretty good as bells and can be quite musical if arranged right.


I think that's half of what music is, having fun and being creative. Now of course i'd never use a shovel in a track, but I was curious as to the results I could get out of it... voila!
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Now of course i'd never use a shovel in a track, but I was curious as to the results I could get out of it... voila!
I'd say the opposite. I would consider using a shovel or some other found object, while recording.. to add a unique sound effect in a certain place in a song. But I would probably not bother hauling it out to a job and setting it up, etc., if I only planned to use it on one number in the set.

Our original banjo player was a big jug-band guy.. we had quite a few of those old-time jug-band/vaudeville-style numbers in our sets. As the percussionist, those tunes always gave me great openings to use mounted cooking pots and lids, and other novelty items. Kick drum made from 5-gallon bucket. Taxi horn, etc. You get the picture. Fit the music, was fun for me and the audience, and provided a visual element too. There was enough usage to warrant setting it all up on the bandstand.

Our current banjo player is more of a progressive bluegrass picker, and our band has been moving steadily in the direction of acoustic rock. We play bluegrass standards, but also Beatles, Stones, Pink Floyd, CCR, Dylan, etc., that we arrange for bluegrass instrumentation. We don't do enough jug band numbers anymore to make it worth bringing out the kitchenware. I still play the spoons, washboard, and circular-saw-blade-on-cymbal-stand, on every gig. But other than that, using mostly 'conventional' drums and percussion in the act, these days.

But I remain a big fan of that whole DIY/vaudeville/novelty/found-object/folk aesthetic in percussion. Always experimenting and tinkering at home. Always a chance that something could finds its way on stage with me.

Keep it up, man !

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Old 02-11-2018, 03:16 PM
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I'd say the opposite. I would consider using a shovel or some other found object, while recording.. to add a unique sound effect in a certain place in a song. But I would probably not bother hauling it out to a job and setting it up, etc., if I only planned to use it on one number in the set.

Our original banjo player was a big jug-band guy.. we had quite a few of those old-time jug-band/vaudeville-style numbers in our sets. As the percussionist, those tunes always gave me great openings to use mounted cooking pots and lids, and other novelty items. Kick drum made from 5-gallon bucket. Taxi horn, etc. You get the picture. Fit the music, was fun for me and the audience, and provided a visual element too. There was enough usage to warrant setting it all up on the bandstand.

Our current banjo player is more of a progressive bluegrass picker, and our band has been moving steadily in the direction of acoustic rock. We play bluegrass standards, but also Beatles, Stones, Pink Floyd, CCR, Dylan, etc., that we arrange for bluegrass instrumentation. We don't do enough jug band numbers anymore to make it worth bringing out the kitchenware. I still play the spoons, washboard, and circular-saw-blade-on-cymbal-stand, on every gig. But other than that, using mostly 'conventional' drums and percussion in the act, these days.

But I remain a big fan of that whole DIY/vaudeville/novelty/found-object/folk aesthetic in percussion. Always experimenting and tinkering at home. Always a chance that something could finds its way on stage with me.

Keep it up, man !
That's awesome! I've always appreciated that style of music! Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and for checking it out! :)
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Old 02-12-2018, 06:12 AM
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You guys have any suggestions on shovel choices? Someone suggested in the comments that I detach it from the handle, and drill a hole in the centre. Could be cool?

Thoughts?
I really like the tone. If it were up to me, I would detach the blade, drill a hole through it, and hang it from a gong stand so that it could vibrate freely, or hang it like an orchestral suspended cymbal. It may not be too different in concept from some of the more oddly-shaped Matt Nolan Custom cymbals that the Memphis Drum Shop sells in their Gong Chamber, aside from the fact that it used to be a gardening tool, of course.
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Old 02-12-2018, 06:39 AM
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You guys have any suggestions on shovel choices? Someone suggested in the comments that I detach it from the handle, and drill a hole in the centre. Could be cool?

Thoughts?


... almost as cool as this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9-ltPsbw9g
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:25 AM
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Nothing is as cool as that.

Easily the best thing I've seen in quite a while.

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Old 02-12-2018, 12:13 PM
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...aside from the fact that it used to be a gardening tool, of course.
some percussion used to be hung around the neck of a cow; other percussion used to be gardening tools ...,
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Old 02-23-2018, 08:09 PM
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For what it's worth :

I saw the touring production of the Les Miserables musical yesterday, in Schenectady NY. Before the show, I walked up front to take a look down into the orchestra pit. The score calls for a brake drum, and sure enough, the percussionist had one. Not a "drum" drum -- I mean a rusty disc from an automobile wheel assembly.
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Old 02-27-2018, 02:35 AM
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For what it's worth :

I saw the touring production of the Les Miserables musical yesterday, in Schenectady NY. Before the show, I walked up front to take a look down into the orchestra pit. The score calls for a brake drum, and sure enough, the percussionist had one. Not a "drum" drum -- I mean a rusty disc from an automobile wheel assembly.
He had the disk? Hmmmm.

Brake drum is the authentic brake drum sound. The disc and drum of the brakes have different pitches and tamber's.
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That was turrible!
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He had the disk? Hmmmm.

Brake drum is the authentic brake drum sound. The disc and drum of the brakes have different pitches and tamber's.

Well he had a brake drum, which is presumably called such because it resembles the musical instrument known as the drum. So I think it's kind of cool to see one actually employed as a percussion instrument. Fascinating set up : tympani, cymbals galore, roto-toms, tin cans, brake drum and of course, a a trine (which was invented for the show).
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Well he had a brake drum, which is presumably called such because it resembles the musical instrument known as the drum. So I think it's kind of cool to see one actually employed as a percussion instrument. Fascinating set up : tympani, cymbals galore, roto-toms, tin cans, brake drum and of course, a a trine (which was invented for the show).


I don't know what he had... brake drum, or disk.

Brake drums are called such because the assembly when together is an enclosed drum. A brake disk could be said to resemble a cymbal, or more so anyway than a brake drum does.



Pics below of garden variety brake drum and disk. Which was in the pit?
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Old 03-03-2018, 04:26 PM
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Which was in the pit?

Below, left, is a picture I clipped from the internet, from a different production of Les Miserables. But similar to what I saw in the pit in Schenectady.


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So maybe Cam's shovel concept not so far-fetched, after all. And maybe the Admin.'s would consider changing the name of this thread, for ongoing discussion in the general topic of Found-Object / Folk percussion, if there was enough interest ?

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Finally... impressionable lad that I am, I came home from the show, and ordered myself a Matt Nolan aluminum trine, which arrived a couple of days ago. I strung it up alongside some of my other metallic favorites (middle & right photo's). Just waiting for someone to produce a bluegrass/Appalachian take on Les Miserables !! I'd be their guy !!
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Old 03-04-2018, 10:53 PM
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Ugh just another boring pic of the same old same old setup ;)

Wow that must inspire some righteous creativity! Would be a fun challenge, but a challenge indeed, for me at least.
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