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Old 01-27-2018, 05:01 PM
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Default 12 bar question for the blues guys

what is the best way feel the 12 bars, in a blues song ? (aside from chord changes and singing the melodies)

a) as 1 single phrase (12 bars long)

b) as 3 phrases of 4 bars each (this is the way i feel it)

c) 1 phrase of 8 bar + 1 phrase of 4 bars

off course it depends on the song it self. What is the best way to internalize ?

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Old 01-27-2018, 05:56 PM
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I mostly play the form in a jazz setting. I usually treat the form basically as an 8-bar A section plus a turnaround. You should probably think 4+4+4 at first-- that's what it actually is. As you realize you may not need to do a whole lot to differentiate the first 4+4, you can think more 8+4. Usually you just listen and play and everything falls into place and you don't have to think about it. It's very easy to internalize.
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8 bars of blues or rock & 4 bars of turnaround. If I do a fill, then it will usually be in the last two bars. But no, I don;t count it either, I just feel it. Internalize it like Todd said.
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Old 01-28-2018, 07:53 AM
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Thank you @ Todd and Midnite Zephyr

i think if you push the last 4 bars to differentiate the 3 sections, makes
the other band members happy.
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:30 PM
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I'm a proponent of one 12 bar phrase. The mood of the blues song doesn't necessarily have to fit 4 or 8 bar phrase.
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I treat them like any other song in 4/4 and use my ears to know when there's something else like a turnaround or new section or whatever. Just counting bars isn't going to get you very far in my opinion.
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Old 01-30-2018, 02:44 AM
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Thank you @ Todd and Midnite Zephyr

i think if you push the last 4 bars to differentiate the 3 sections, makes
the other band members happy.
Sure, that's a starting place. But now you know that the last four bars of the form are significant, and you can listen to some records and check out how other drummers handle it, and some of the possible things that happen during it, and the types of things that happen at the top of the form that you have to set up during the turnaround. I would also be checking out what people do around bar 5 and bar 11.
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I would also be checking out what people do around bar 5 and bar 11.
Huh ...for example ?
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Old 01-30-2018, 04:12 PM
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Bar 5 is the beginning of the secon phrase and bar 11 is the last 2 measures of the turnaround.
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8 bars of blues or rock & 4 bars of turnaround.
That's what I've found to be typical, it's the basic blues structure.

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Usually you just listen and play and everything falls into place and you don't have to think about it. It's very easy to internalize.
Exactly, the chord progressions dictate everything. The phrasing is natural and obvious without having to think about it.

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