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Old 10-30-2017, 04:56 AM
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Hi Everyone,

Got a real novice question here, so bear with me please... I'm picking up some drum sticks again after a break of about 15 years, and I was never more than a beginner all that time ago as well!

I have been re-learning a couple of beats and fills and practicing playing a few bars of rhythm, then into a fill, and then into different rhythm, and just repeating that pattern a whole bunch of times. But i am struggling with the transition from the fill back to the beat.

I'm playing 8th notes, and using a 1 bar linear fill that's "1 hand, 1 foot", so in my head during the fill i'm counting the kick drum as the "AND" in the 8th notes, and moving my hands around the kit on the 1/2/3/4 to see what gives a cool effect. When I come to the end of the fill i'd like to put a Crash in there as it sounds cool, but I don't know where to play it?

Do you hit the crash on the "FOUR" of the fill bar, or the last "AND", or on the "ONE" of the new bar...? Given that i'm right handed and need to get that hand to the hi-hat for the new bar then am I hitting the crash with my left hand?? That will take some practice for me!

Hope this makes sense and look forward to hearing what you guys suggest.

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Old 10-30-2017, 06:22 AM
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The USUAL placement of a crash is on the '1' of the first bar of groove after the fill.

That said, if it sounds good, it is good.
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Old 10-30-2017, 06:40 AM
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Default Re: Novice question on linear fills

As James said, the crash traditionally replaces the first hihat note on beat 1.
The crash is usually doubled by a bass drum, so you'll end up with two quick bass drums - one on the last 8th and one with the crash on beat 1.
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Old 10-30-2017, 10:53 AM
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Understood - thanks folks.

As a supplementary question, would you recommend left or right hand on the crash in that situation?

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edit - i'm a right hander by the way, so assume i'd stick with that?

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Old 10-30-2017, 12:58 PM
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The 'basic' setup puts the crash cymbal to the right of the hats (for a right hander) and the ride cymbal somewhere between straight ahead and due east (3 o'clock).

With that set up, right hand to the crash for '1', and then straight onto the hats for 'and'.
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Old 10-30-2017, 01:14 PM
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Awesome. Well I've got some practicing to do for sure, but at least now i know I will be practicing the 'right' things!

Thanks to you both for the very clear and patient answers - much appreciated.
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I'm playing 8th notes, and using a 1 bar linear fill that's "1 hand, 1 foot", so in my head during the fill i'm counting the kick drum as the "AND" in the 8th notes, and moving my hands around the kit on the 1/2/3/4 to see what gives a cool effect. When I come to the end of the fill i'd like to put a Crash in there as it sounds cool, but I don't know where to play it?...
You can place the cymbal in any note, as long as you donīt miss your position in the bar (AKA "get lost"), on those two places you mentioned or any other.

Finishing in 4 AND is hipper and has a propeling characteristic, finishing in 1 is more traditional/square/"hitting the wall" kind of feeling.

The use of one or the other depends on your choice, taste, type of tune, sense/knowledge of time of your buddies, etc.

"Eight Notes": be careful you donīt play a "Turtle Fill", hahaha

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Old 10-30-2017, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: Novice question on linear fills

Just try it different ways and see if you like it. The only way to play fills is to "hear" what you want to play in your head before you play it. Sing how you think the fill should sound in your head, or preferably out loud for now. Then recreate it on the drums. The sticking will come naturally, you'll figure out how to end up where you want to be. That's why we learn paradiddles.

Sounds like you are a good candidate for taking lessons. It would rapidly accelerate your progress.
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Alternate between measures. Do one with the crash on 1, then do the next crash on the & of 4 in addition to the 1.

Variation.
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Old 10-31-2017, 05:57 AM
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Default Re: Novice question on linear fills

One of my favorite things to hear on drums is a creatively placed accent such as a crash.

Totally depends on what works best for the feel you're trying to achieve.
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Old 10-31-2017, 08:39 AM
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Default Re: Novice question on linear fills

Hey thanks everyone, this is really cool - i love reading these ideas, i have a tendency to get a bit mechanical and and repetitive, so this is going to inspire me try to break that habit.

I'm definitely finding JustJames suggestion of right hand crash on the "ONE" of the new bar the easiest to get the hang of, trying it on the final "AND" of the fill bar made my brain break... but i guess that means i just need to practice more! haha

Alex S - what's a turtle fill?? I may have been doing this the whole time without even knowing!

Cheers.
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Old 10-31-2017, 08:41 AM
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Crashes on 1 and 3 make anything sound like circus music.

Crashes on 2 and 4 get your head bashing!
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