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Old 07-14-2017, 07:18 PM
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Some of you may recall I was asking advice on demo-ing my patio room to re-build it as a soundproofed drum studio.

I felt like it would end up being a pipe dream since I don't have $30,000.00 to spend lying around. It was.

Theoretically, I don't really need the soundproof room. My neighbors don't object to my practicing, just so long as I end at a reasonable time (before 9PM). So I really thought about what I absolutely needed.

My patio room doesn't enjoy the central AC that the rest of the house does, so consequently, with the drums out there, in the summer heat of California, I don't play them daily (although I practice on a pad in the cool house).

Fast forward to a couple of days ago, we decided the one home improvement we can afford this year is new carpeting. So we make that happen. As we're moving things out of all the rooms prior to the carpeting crew coming in to remove and replace the carpet, both the wife and I realize there's a bunch of furniture and things we just don't need (funny how you accumulate a bunch of stuff you don't need over the years).

Now that the house is empty and the carpeting crew is here installing the new carpet, my wife says, "why don't you move your drums back into one of the bedrooms, then you can practice in the house with the AC on".

Talk about "DOH!" moment. So now I'm making plans on getting some acoustic foam for one of the rooms to spiff it up as a practice room. I'll enjoy the AC and can practice on any day. I'm now looking really forward to this. To think we've lived here for over ten years and I never thought about commandeering a bedroom just for the drums because I wanted the space the patio room to rehearse with any band I may have the chance to rehearse with. I realize that I've not had as many rehearsals as I thought I would, and that's only because I'm usually subbing for someone, or going out and sight-reading whatever they have.

But with this realization, I'm looking forward to being able to play my drums (and not a pad) at any time during the day when I'm home before work. I've neglected playing on a kit daily like I used to, so this really feels like a whole new era for me!

But really, DOH!
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:24 PM
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Nice of the wife. When we moved from NJ to Pittsburgh six years ago our extensive house hunting was prefaced by this to the Wife......."Find a house you like but I pick the drum worthiness in the end." ;)
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:46 PM
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Nice of the wife. When we moved from NJ to Pittsburgh six years ago our extensive house hunting was prefaced by this to the Wife......."Find a house you like but I pick the drum worthiness in the end." ;)
wow - good for you. My wife couldn't care less about accommodating my drum needs when reviewing eligible homes. Thank God for rehearsal studios!
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Old 07-14-2017, 08:05 PM
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Has your wife got a nice, single sister, Matt?

I'm afraid I'm single again and, being older and less tolerable than when I was young, I'm looking for someone who will be understanding towards me... and my tubs...

Hope you have some nice workouts in the bedroom... the spare one with the drums I mean, of course.

I regret not making more use of the room I had at my disposal for two years.... hindsight...
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Old 07-14-2017, 08:34 PM
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It's nice when you want something and you already have it.

A practice space is essential equipment if a person is serious about drums.

I could never fully relax if I thought people could hear me practice. I decided a long time ago that a place where I could feel comfortable playing was an absolute necessity. And be in a relationship that accepted my drumming with open arms. I know more than a few talented, really good players whose significant other is very jealous of that aspect, and very restrictive to their spouses. I think they call it being PW'd.

This would be a perfect time to do something special for Debbie to show her how lucky you feel that she totally supports you.

And to reinforce positive behavior :)
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Old 07-14-2017, 08:53 PM
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It gets so hot at my house that I haven't practiced in the garage since last April. If it's 87 degrees F outside, like today, then it's gotta be 10 degrees hotter in the garage. Screw that!!

Congrats on having such an understanding wife. She knows who butters the bread at least.
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Old 07-14-2017, 09:12 PM
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Even if it real hot, as long as I have my squirrel cage (and squirrel powered!) fan on me, I'm good. I need air movement.
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Old 07-14-2017, 10:17 PM
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Even if it real hot, as long as I have my squirrel cage (and squirrel powered!) fan on me, I'm good. I need air movement.
In my old age, I think we've grown dependent on central AC. It's not Vegas hot out here, but it's uncomfortable in a house without AC. When I tried to practice despite the heat in the patio room, it just becomes miserable.

I may even attribute the internet to filling up the time when I wasn't able to practice on the drums, so this may be a big coming change for me to eliminate using the internet so much, and that would be a good thing.

Now I'm shopping for some acoustic foam for the walls.
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Now I'm shopping for some acoustic foam for the walls.
They have Auralex at the Home Depot. 184$ for 12 2'x2'x2" panels.
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Old 07-14-2017, 10:58 PM
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They have Auralex at the Home Depot. 184$ for 12 2'x2'x2" panels.
I always thought auralex was one of the biggest ripoffs out there. Don't you need mass for more effective sound containment?
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Old 07-14-2017, 10:59 PM
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I always thought auralex was one of the biggest ripoffs out there. Don't you need mass for more effective sound containment?
Not sure but we used Auralex in the warehouse studio and the sound is amazing, but I was told to use egg cartons.
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:06 PM
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Not sure but we used Auralex in the warehouse studio and the sound is amazing, but I was told to use egg cartons.
And I'm not referring to the sound inside the room, Auralex works fine for that, but again, way too overpriced for me. I'm referring to the sound escaping from the room, saying Auralex isn't made to contain that.

Egg cartons...I'm pretty sure the Fire Marshall would definitely not condone that. They do very little for sound containment, but make the room less reflective, like auralex.

Not that auralex is any better in a fire, it's mostly air.
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:08 PM
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And I'm not referring to the sound inside the room, Auralex works fine for that, but again, way too overpriced for me. I'm referring to the sound escaping from the room, saying Auralex isn't made to contain that.
Oh shoot, I didn't know that. I'm just trying to be helpful. It works great for bass drums too. Haha!
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:09 PM
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And I'm not referring to the sound inside the room, Auralex works fine for that, but again, way too overpriced for me. I'm referring to the sound escaping from the room, saying Auralex isn't made to contain that.
None of that stuff by anybody is designed to contain the sound. It simply provides more baffling for sound waves to go through on its way out and hopefully quiet it by the time it reaches the outside walls. It'll never contain it.
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:10 PM
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?...but I was told to use egg cartons.
are we talking paper or foam?
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:21 PM
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are we talking paper or foam?
I was told to use the paper ones. I've only heard of this as a cheap alternative. I haven't tried it myself , so I cannot confirm whether this is a good method or not.

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None of that stuff by anybody is designed to contain the sound. It simply provides more baffling for sound waves to go through on its way out and hopefully quiet it by the time it reaches the outside walls. It'll never contain it.
True. A wall of books, stacked like they would be in a library, but only you point the exposed pages to the inside of the room, not the back of the shelf, is effective. That would do a much better job in reducing decibels outside. Mass is the key.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:20 AM
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I was told to use the paper ones. I've only heard of this as a cheap alternative. I haven't tried it myself , so I cannot confirm whether this is a good method or not.

https://youtu.be/HxfMUi7f0k4

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Old 07-15-2017, 01:50 AM
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In my old age, I think we've grown dependent on central AC. It's not Vegas hot out here, but it's uncomfortable in a house without AC. When I tried to practice despite the heat in the patio room, it just becomes miserable.

I may even attribute the internet to filling up the time when I wasn't able to practice on the drums, so this may be a big coming change for me to eliminate using the internet so much, and that would be a good thing.

Now I'm shopping for some acoustic foam for the walls.
I'm very used to a lot of heat from having to go in attics in August to replace attic fan motors. Some guys won't do it. I just guzzle water and it literally pours out of me. Sometimes it's so hot that I need a wet towel as well. If I feel my head tingling from being up there too long, I get out.

But yea, I like the A/C too. Nice dry, cool air.

Load the room up in soft surfaces, that goes a long way as far as your neighbors are concerned.
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:28 AM
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If your neighbors aren't concerned by you practicing in your patio room, why worry about acoustically treating the bedroom?

I envy you getting to have real A/C when you play. I'm out in my garage and play/practice with a 20" fan blowing from my right side. It's not too bad if I'm out there before noon during the summer, but later in the day the garage gets really hot if I keep the door closed. Consequently, the door stays open during the rest of the day if I'm home - I'm in and out of there all day anyway.

I would love to finish the garage with insulation and sheetrock, but that's a pipe dream. :-(
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:47 AM
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I remember reading that MD story about Shawn Pelton (SNL drummer) making his NYC apartment sort of sound proof for his home studio. The article noted that creating space between sound barriers is the key to reducing the amount of sound heard outside the room. He had his floor raised up about six inches to create space, wall etc..

It looks like you won't have this issue being in a single family home. Congrats on scoring the bedroom and A/C.

We just moved to a new home in April and my new drum room in the basement has a tile floor, unfinished ceiling. My drums sound horrible in this room and I realize how spoiled I was in my last practice room at the old house.

Everything is so reflective, my drums sound like they're in a bowling alley. I don't have any neighbor issues being that we're on a few acres but my wife is like, "WTF?" The drums just fly right through the sub-floor.

I am going to foam the sub-floor before I drywall in the ceiling.
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Old 07-15-2017, 08:00 AM
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If your neighbors aren't concerned by you practicing in your patio room, why worry about acoustically treating the bedroom?

I envy you getting to have real A/C when you play. I'm out in my garage and play/practice with a 20" fan blowing from my right side. It's not too bad if I'm out there before noon during the summer, but later in the day the garage gets really hot if I keep the door closed. Consequently, the door stays open during the rest of the day if I'm home - I'm in and out of there all day anyway.

I would love to finish the garage with insulation and sheetrock, but that's a pipe dream. :-(
It's the "envy you with the AC" part. This means in the summer I can practice actual drumset for the requisite 3 hours a day ;)
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Old 07-15-2017, 04:57 PM
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Did you never think of getting a portable AC unit for the patio room?
Yes. But the patio room isn't an insulated part of the house. It wouldn't be a smart investment to outfit it with an AC unit that would be running constantly trying to keep it cool.
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Old 07-15-2017, 08:17 PM
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Same issue at my place, except worse. Nobody thinks of Washington State as being hot - but here in central Washington, it routinely cracks 100 degrees during a summer day. Guess what that means for the garage (which is on the south end of the house, too). I'm not expecting to commandeer a bedroom anytime soon, though.

The only way I get in any practice over the summer is to arrive to worship practice early, or stay after service. Otherwise my drums are packed and ready to gig.
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Otherwise my drums are packed and ready to gig.
I was living like this for a few years too, but I found as I neglected just being able to get some time behind the kit at home (if only just to work things out), I felt like I got worse as a player. So I was t trying to make do with sporadic practicing, and then doing pad work when it was just miserable hot in the patio room, but in a way, my playing stagnated, and I tend to do the same things all the time, even though it works on all the gigs I get. I still want to be able to work on stuff I'd never be able to play outside with a band ;)
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My wife and I each have our own room (in addition to our bedroom) Hers has a big wrap-around couch with a pull-out bed, and a big TV (doubles as a guest room) Mine has drums, guitars, amps, and recording gear. I also have another kit in my un-insulated/no AC workshop, but the Florida heat is a bit much in the summer even with the fans blasting.
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..... but the Florida heat is a bit much in the summer even with the fans blasting.
That's just like my existing patio room in the California heat. when we get into the 90s and 100s, that patio room is a no man's zone.
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