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Old 06-02-2017, 12:00 AM
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Default Playing jazz with matched grip - does it matter?

I'm a rock/fusion drummer at heart but I'm enjoying playing jazz and swing more and more when I practice.

As for my left hand's dexterity on the snare, I'd give it maybe 9/10 for matched grip, compared to around 1/10 for traditional!

I know one or two big name jazz drummers play matched all or some of the time, but in terms of the history of the instrument, subtlety of style and just 'looking cool', traditional seems more appropriate.

Does it matter?

I'd be interested to hear what jazzers think.

(PS. I am working on improving traditional grip)
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Old 06-02-2017, 12:06 AM
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I'm a rock/fusion drummer at heart but I'm enjoying playing jazz and swing more and more when I practice.

As for my left hand's dexterity on the snare, I'd give it maybe 9/10 for matched grip, compared to around 1/10 for traditional!

I know one or two big name jazz drummers play matched all or some of the time, but in terms of the history of the instrument, subtlety of style and just 'looking cool', traditional seems more appropriate.

Does it matter?

I'd be interested to hear what jazzers think.

(PS. I am working on improving traditional grip)
I don't think it matters. As someone who first learned jazz using traditional grip, and then spent a lot of time learning matched grip and playing rock, I'd say stick with one. Either one. After over 40 years playing, I think the time I spent switching would have been better spent in other ways.
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Old 06-02-2017, 12:12 AM
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It doesn't matter. In a way it's easier to lazily play certain stuff traditional grip, but if you know what you want to play, matched grip is fine. Plenty of people who can play use it.
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Old 06-02-2017, 12:55 AM
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Traditional jazzers played traditional because all drummers did.

With modern jazz players, and players in general, it's more than one or two who play matched. Most do and many switched over from trad.

I play trad, but my reasons are my own.

Yes, some things lend themselves more for trad. A high angled stick for soft comping is one of them. It's hardly the only way to so things, though.

Noone should feel obliged to play any grip, but as Tony Williams said in that clinic vid, if you want to know everything and connect with the history of the instrument that grip is certainly part of it.
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Old 06-02-2017, 12:56 AM
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Does it matter?

I'd be interested to hear what jazzers think.
No, it doesn't.

Even Jack DeJohnette plays match now.
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Old 06-02-2017, 02:20 AM
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you can't use a traditional grip if you are left handed.
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Old 06-02-2017, 02:27 AM
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you can't use a traditional grip if you are left handed.
I've seen several left handed drummers use left-handed trad grip on lefty kits. Plus, there are other left-handed people who play trad right-handed. (Drum corp, etc)

It may be a deterrent, if you let it be, but not impossible.
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:04 AM
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I'm a rock/fusion drummer at heart but I'm enjoying playing jazz and swing more and more when I practice.

As for my left hand's dexterity on the snare, I'd give it maybe 9/10 for matched grip, compared to around 1/10 for traditional!

I know one or two big name jazz drummers play matched all or some of the time, but in terms of the history of the instrument, subtlety of style and just 'looking cool', traditional seems more appropriate.

Does it matter?

I'd be interested to hear what jazzers think.

(PS. I am working on improving traditional grip)
It doesn't matter. Why is this even a question? If you listen your favorite music, how do you know what grip they're using? Hell, you don't even know if they're using the equipment you envision them to be using. Music is mostly listened to - and up until around Elvis, you enjoyed it mostly with your ears.
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Old 06-02-2017, 04:58 AM
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you can't use a traditional grip if you are left handed.
Tell that to Lenny White. Or Billy Cobham.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:04 AM
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You can't play jazz using traditional grip.
Oh wait, you can't play jazz unless you use traditional grip.
No, you can't use traditional grip unless you are playing jazz.
Or is that, you can't use traditional grip to play anything except jazz.
No wait, I got it. You can't play traditional jazz without gripping the stick.
So traditional grip can't be used to play anything but traditional jazz.
In other words do not play jazz unless you know how to use traditional grip. But don't use it when you play jazz.

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Old 06-02-2017, 07:09 AM
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A skilled drummer that plays matched would be set back weeks/months/years.
That'l practice time is better used on other things.
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You can't play jazz using traditional grip.
Oh wait, you can't play jazz unless you use traditional grip.
No, you can't use traditional grip unless you are playing jazz.
Or is that, you can't use traditional grip to play anything except jazz.
No wait, I got it. You can't play traditional jazz without gripping the stick.
So traditional grip can't be used to play anything but traditional jazz.
In other words do not play jazz unless you know how to use traditional grip. But don't use it when you play jazz.

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Old 06-02-2017, 02:21 PM
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The ONLY reason that trad grip even exists is that originally military side drums were worn resting on the left leg and angled accordingly (the British military ones still are). As a result it wasn't possible to use a matched grip and so what's now called traditional grip was used and that's how people were taught. Don't believe anyone who tells you any different, it has nothing whatever to do with increased dexterity or anything like that.

If you can use it then great, if not and you normally play matched grip then learning it is really just a waste of time as has been alluded to by other posters, unless you've got a real yearning to. It won't improve your playing, it's just different, not better.
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Old 06-02-2017, 11:46 PM
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What, are you looking to collapse the universe? Might as well divide by zero or cross the streams (which would be very bad).

Matched grip for Jazz???

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