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Old 08-01-2011, 01:18 AM
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I just read through my posts, i kinda sound like a dick:( Sorry, that was not my intention, just quick writing and sarcasm gone wrong. That 1st reply was dead on though, dude was thumbing the nose big time
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What you speak of is nuance. Bonzo sounds like Bonzo on every album. Once again no specifics on tuning??? what is it with you guys?
Man....what a prick!!

Yes Bonzo sounds like Bonzo on every album. That much I agree with. Bonzo sounded like Bonzo everytime he played his drums.....purely because he WAS Bonzo.

That aside....his "nuance" has very little to do with the fact that you can't also achieve the same head tensions (or at least extrememly close) as he did. Using coated Emps over coated Ambs on drums of the same size you're going to be as close as you're ever gonna get. Why not play around with the information you already have? Aim to get close enough to the recordings and then run your own drum dial over the things and come back and tell US the numbers?

Of course there's no specifics on tuning. The man is dead.....he curled the toes up back in 1980 and his "ear" for tuning was buried in the box with him. All we've got is a couple of references of how he liked his drums tuned. Specific drum dial numbers weren't available then....and clearly they are not available now. Why not get off your lazy arse and try to figure this one out yourself, instead of sitting there in an ivory tower taking pot shots at everyone?

Your attitude stinks! You can't figure something out, so you'll insult everyone who can't figure it out either. If you really wanna invoke the spirit of JHB, then do it the same way he did......trial and error!

Whatever you end up doing, adjust your friggen' attitude while you're there.
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Man....what a prick!!

Yes Bonzo sounds like Bonzo on every album. That much I agree with. Bonzo sounded like Bonzo everytime he played his drums.....purely because he WAS Bonzo.

That aside....his "nuance" has very little to do with the fact that you can't also achieve the same head tensions (or at least extrememly close) as he did. Using coated Emps over coated Ambs on drums of the same size you're going to be as close as you're ever gonna get. Why not play around with the information you already have? Aim to get close enough to the recordings and then run your own drum dial over the things and come back and tell US the numbers?

Of course there's no specifics on tuning. The man is dead.....he curled the toes up back in 1980 and his "ear" for tuning was buried in the box with him. All we've got is a couple of references of how he liked his drums tuned. Specific drum dial numbers weren't available then....and clearly they are not available now. Why not get off your lazy arse and try to figure this one out yourself, instead of sitting there in an ivory tower taking pot shots at everyone?

Your attitude stinks! You can't figure something out, so you'll insult everyone who can't figure it out either. If you really wanna invoke the spirit of JHB, then do it the same way he did......trial and error!

Whatever you end up doing, adjust your friggen' attitude while you're there.
Dude, read post #41 and relax. I wasn't paying attention as I was writing, I came off as a prick and i apologized for it. K
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Dude, read post #41 and relax. I wasn't paying attention as I was writing, I came off as a prick and i apologized for it. K
So you did....wow, who knew?

My apologies...that little skerrick must have been lost amongst the other half a dozen posts of insults and diatribe.
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So you did....wow, who knew?

My apologies...that little skerrick must have been lost amongst the other half a dozen posts of insults and diatribe.
Yeah i had a bad run, once again my apologies to anyone offended as that wasnt' my intention. I know i'm not goning to play as great as Bonzo, but I have been working really hard on getting that sound on some recordings, it is really bizare the way the drums need to sound at the kit versus the way they sound out front. They boing like hell and kinda choke off when ur in the seat, but through the mics they sound big, toney and close to right. I'm using 4 mics, I tried the glyn johns thing without much success. Now I'm still using 4 mics, 1 overhead high, 1 room, both through tube pre's, a kick, and snare for back up. It seems that I only need the over and room though??? tiny bit of eq, then send it through an 1176 and.......your still not close! Ha! just kidding, sounds real good, but not great.....yet:) I believe it's in the tuning, plus the cymbs, hats to drum balance is a pain. I am sooooo burned on tuning and moving mics. Thats probably why i wrote like such an ass on previous posts.
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Old 08-01-2011, 03:32 AM
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Ok...let's start again then.

There are no specific drum dial numbers available from the man himself, purely because he didn't use one. Even if they were available back then it's unlikely he would have known his own numbers any way. I certainly don't and I'm sure many of us who tune by ear/feel wouldn't either. What we do have though, is 9 studio albums, numerous youtube clips and the Ocheltree vid. Referring back to all these sources and employing a bit of old fashioned trial and error, you should be able to get a sound exceptionally close to the way Bonham's kit sounded....assuming you're using 3 ply shells in the same specs. with Emps over Ambs.

All you can do is aim to replicate the tunings you hear and then run a dial over it yourself. Until someone who has already done this shows up, it's all that can be done. It's worth noting someone may just do that....the revived thread is only a couple of days old. Give 'em time.

As for the recorded sound. No-one has mentioned the most important factor. Who produced all Zepp albums? Page is the key here. He was a studio veteran prior to forming the band and was right at home in this environment. The room micing techniques were as much Page's doing as Glynn Johns. They swapped and changed studio engineers often. This was a calculated move on Page's behalf to prove to himself that "he" captured the Zepp sound....not an engineer. He's openly stated this. He's also spoken about many of these techniques at length. It's out there if you search for it. But knowing Jimmy's method will be a hell of a lot more viable to you than any of the engineers.

To get these sounds on tape, you've gotta combine both. Tune as close to Bonham as you can get....not difficult, trial and error will get you close to the way his kit sounded. And for studio techniques.....read up on the way Page did it....he's the key. After getting these two elements duplicated....any discrepancy in sound you're getting will come down to the fact that you don't have John Bonham playing them. And unfortunately, there ain't a hell of a lot that can be done to fix that problem. :-)

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Nice kit
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I built my own drums to extremely exacting specs.
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So along those lines of thinking, you've brought "nothing to the table ...
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A sound clip or some form of media with proof of "sound" is what i'm saying. A million guys have Bonzo sizes and not much more:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03mGRXHbn_M
Here's a cat who seems to have the "Bonzo" sound dialed in, pretty fair ....
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:40 AM
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The larger point is that the answer lies in Bonzo sizes/ big drums with slighly higher tuning. ( I think CDrums and PFG covered that ).

But isnt the sound in the fingers, guys?


Havent we all seen great players pick up a beat up old no name instrument and when they play it sounds fantastic?..

I occassionally play in a little bar that officially has the crappiest house gear that exists on the planet. Its from the neolithic age. One night, a touring Aussie band ( Aurora Jane ) drop in and decide to jam and it felt like someone had magically changed the kit, the amps, the PA etc...

Conversely, I've picked up and noodled on Anthony Jackson's 6 string bass and it sounded like a mandolin - utterly horrible in my hands..

I think that is the point Larry was trying to make. You could tune a drum exactly like JB does, but when you strike it with a stick, it will sound nothing like Bonham because you cant cop his velocity, his angle of attack, the torque of his wrist, the timing of the hit, or the feeling that he played with.

...or for that matter hire the sound engineer he used to record his drums.


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Old 08-01-2011, 09:21 PM
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This is true of any drummer,its not just tuning.Its how you hit the drums,where you hit them,the sticks you use also have a huge impact(pun intended)on your drums sound.If it makes anyone feel any better...why not just tune to the way you like,and imagine Bonzo or anybody else trying to cop your sound?

The only guy that really came so close that I actually thought it was Bonham,was Mike Dolbear who played with Heart in the 70's.Really close to that Bonzo sound.Listen to" Barracuda",and you'll see what I mean.

We all approach our instrument differently,we are all individuals and therefore will sound just a little,if not a lot different,from everybody else.......and thank the universe for that.

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Old 08-01-2011, 11:38 PM
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So along those lines of thinking, you've brought "nothing to the table ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03mGRXHbn_M
Here's a cat who seems to have the "Bonzo" sound dialed in, pretty fair ....
Hey conway, You're correct sir, i've brought nothing to the table, xcept getting some peeps mad at me.:0 I'm trying to dial that sound now, i will post up a clip when i'm as close as i'm gonna get, that link is quite "roomy" sounding. Thanx for that
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The larger point is that the answer lies in Bonzo sizes/ big drums with slighly higher tuning. ( I think CDrums and PFG covered that ).

But isnt the sound in the fingers, guys?


Havent we all seen great players pick up a beat up old no name instrument and when they play it sounds fantastic?..

I occassionally play in a little bar that officially has the crappiest house gear that exists on the planet. Its from the neolithic age. One night, a touring Aussie band ( Aurora Jane ) drop in and decide to jam and it felt like someone had magically changed the kit, the amps, the PA etc...

Conversely, I've picked up and noodled on Anthony Jackson's 6 string bass and it sounded like a mandolin - utterly horrible in my hands..

I think that is the point Larry was trying to make. You could tune a drum exactly like JB does, but when you strike it with a stick, it will sound nothing like Bonham because you cant cop his velocity, his angle of attack, the torque of his wrist, the timing of the hit, or the feeling that he played with.

...or for that matter hire the sound engineer he used to record his drums.


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I witnessed the mighty Jeff Beck pic up a guitar in a music store and proceed to kill it! Then after he left someone else picked it up and it was wildly out of tune! didn't matter in the hands of a master. your point is a good one. well played sir
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This is true of any drummer,its not just tuning.Its how you hit the drums,where you hit them,the sticks you use also have a huge impact(pun intended)on your drums sound.If it makes anyone feel any better...why not just tune to the way you like,and imagine Bonzo or anybody else trying to cop your sound?

The only guy that really came so close that I actually thought it was Bonham,was Mike Dolbear who played with Heart in the 70's.Really close to that Bonzo sound.Listen to" Barracuda",and you'll see what I mean.

We all approach our instrument differently,we are all individuals and therefore will sound just a little,if not a lot different,from everybody else.......and thank the universe for that.

Steve B
Hey Steve, On my current project, the goal is to get as close to that "Bonzo" vibe as possible, that's why i've been such a pain in the ass;) I'll post up a mp3 when i'm done so you guys can Sllllllllllllllllayyyyyyy me!!
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:35 AM
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I saw this "Joedrummer" on youtube, who played different songs from Bonham, check him out, he did a tuning video too. My net is too crappy too see it, but they sound a little like his drums. Especially the snare, and toms. Bass is a little too crappy ....
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Old 08-02-2011, 05:41 AM
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Hey conway, You're correct sir, i've brought nothing to the table, xcept getting some peeps mad at me.:0 I'm trying to dial that sound now, i will post up a clip when i'm as close as i'm gonna get, that link is quite "roomy" sounding. Thanx for that
Without "posting" anything .... no picture of your kit, not to mention, no brand name ... or sizes ... and asking one of the most "generic" questions found on any drum forum .... you get what you get ...
The link I posted, a song from Detective ... a band from 1977 ... Jon Hyde played a Bonzo kit. The band was signed to Swan Song ... Led Zeppelin's record label after their contract with Atlantic ended, in 1973 ... I went to the Troubadour show/showcase that Detective played when Page/Plant were "upstairs" ... behind the tinted glass ...
So, this band, on Zeppelin's record label, under the watchful eye of Page/Plant and Peter Grant ... as far as sound goes ... the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
As far as your project goes ... good luck with that .... if you're close, that's probably as good as your gonna get. Chasing someone else's sound is kinda like chasing ghosts ... especially "recorded" sound .... with Zep putting out 9 studio albums, it also becomes a matter of which Bonzo drum sound off of which album ... and what song ...
But first, and foremost, I'd say, is ya gotta have the "big drums". I have 4 acoustic kits. My Gretsch round badge (20, 13. 16) I wouldn't ask them to sound like a "Bonham" kit. Neither would I ask my Yamaha RC's to (22, 12, 13, 14) .... or my Brazilian RMV kit. But my Luddies, more than up for the task .... because they're the "right drums for the job".
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[quote=harryconway;873506][indent]Without "posting" anything .... no picture of your kit, not to mention, no brand name ... or sizes ... and asking one of the most "generic" questions found on any drum forum .... you get what you get ...

I'm using emperor over ambass coated on all cept snare bottom isn't 12x14 rack, 16x16 floor, 16x18 floor, 26x14 kick, Custom built 5ply maple with round over outside/30 degree inside bearing edges, surpraphonic 6.5x14, giant beat 15" HH, gb 24"ride, gb 18,20 crashes and 2002 17,19 crashes that i'm layin off of. Kick and toms are there, the snare(new to me) has been the biggest pain, It was dropping tension rods out of the lugs, so went to the nylon locks. I hit hard, but with solid technique(not a basher, but rimshots all day long) It's a converted super sensitive....I wonder if the extra holes from removed center rod are giving me too much venting? or maybe when the lugs dropped out, my bottom head got weird....I think i'm gonna switch out the heads tmrw? anyway, let me know if you got any ideas...and thanx
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I know this isn't in any way helpful or even relevant to the topic of this thread, really, but it strikes me, Bonzology, that you might give some thought to changing your user name. I mean, for a "Bonzologist" you're rather lacking.

Or as Monty Python said, "It isn't much of a cheese shop, is it?"
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I'm using emperor over ambass coated on all cept snare bottom isn't 12x14 rack, 16x16 floor, 16x18 floor, 26x14 kick, Custom built 5ply maple with round over outside/30 degree inside bearing edges...
Well, of course, Bonham played Ludwig 3 ply shells (for studio drums) ... but you say you're happy with the sound of your kick and toms .... so .... I'm happy that you're happy ....
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surpraphonic 6.5x14, giant beat 15" HH, gb 24"ride, gb 18,20 crashes and 2002 17,19 crashes that i'm layin off of. Kick and toms are there, the snare(new to me) has been the biggest pain....
So ... all this angst stems from the fact that you're unhappy with your snare sound. 'fraid I can't help you there, I've never owned a Supra ... I've got 6 snares right now ... and I've never tried to copy "anyone's" particular snare sound ... but Youtube has quite a few video's on how to tune a snare, for a Bonham sound.
Then, recording .... Eddie Kramer refers to using Shure SM57s, Neumann U67s and U87s, AKG C12s and ElectroVoice RE20s .... are you using any of those mics?
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Hey all, I'm resurrecting an old unanswered.

Can anyone answer the original posters question on Bonzo's tuning?
No tech, or engineer got the Bonham sound. As a matter of fact no one has gotten the Bonham sound xcept Bonzo:) If you disagree, prove it with a link or mp3, words mean nothing:)
The OP refers to kick and toms (not snare) .... you seem happy with your kick and tom sound ... and so, in essence, contradict yourself. " As a matter of fact no one has gotten the Bonham sound xcept Bonzo" .... well, you say you do, except the snare .... so, is it one, or the other? Or maybe you're just here to troll about the forum, which is fine too, I guess ... we've had our share of those, too ...
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I know this isn't in any way helpful or even relevant to the topic of this thread, really, but it strikes me, Bonzology, that you might give some thought to changing your user name. I mean, for a "Bonzologist" you're rather lacking.

Or as Monty Python said, "It isn't much of a cheese shop, is it?"
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Well, of course, Bonham played Ludwig 3 ply shells (for studio drums) ... but you say you're happy with the sound of your kick and toms .... so .... I'm happy that you're happy ....
So ... all this angst stems from the fact that you're unhappy with your snare sound. 'fraid I can't help you there, I've never owned a Supra ... I've got 6 snares right now ... and I've never tried to copy "anyone's" particular snare sound ... but Youtube has quite a few video's on how to tune a snare, for a Bonham sound.
Then, recording .... Eddie Kramer refers to using Shure SM57s, Neumann U67s and U87s, AKG C12s and ElectroVoice RE20s .... are you using any of those mics?
Anyhow, back to your original post ....
The OP refers to kick and toms (not snare) .... you seem happy with your kick and tom sound ... and so, in essence, contradict yourself. " As a matter of fact no one has gotten the Bonham sound xcept Bonzo" .... well, you say you do, except the snare .... so, is it one, or the other? Or maybe you're just here to troll about the forum, which is fine too, I guess ... we've had our share of those, too ...
I though we were done with that?
I am using great mics on the kit, Ev re20 on the kick, a single neumann overhead(yes 1 over) 414 and 57 on the snare(so far unused)and a telefunken in the room along with (so far unused)various safety mics. And what i meant in the last post was, after infinite tune tinkering and mic selection/ placement over a few days, I'm now happy with the kick and toms, the snare is hassling me, I think the reso is giving out. I'm not here to bicker, I have 1 week, and I'm trying to get it done the best i can. I stand by the statement no one has gotten his sound, that includes myself. I periodically check back here to see if anyone has thrown me a gem and all I get is pop shots and an inquisition? I mean, posting #57....Really? I don't know how many posts, and no one has mentioned the C# pitch that bonhams snare seems to emit? I'll check back again on the outside chance someone may have a helpful thought
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Hmm. In the words of the Famous Eccles...there's something funny going on here folks.
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[indent]Without "posting" anything .... no picture of your kit, not to mention, no brand name ... or sizes ... and asking one of the most "generic" questions found on any drum forum .... you get what you get ...

I'm using emperor over ambass coated on all cept snare bottom isn't 12x14 rack, 16x16 floor, 16x18 floor, 26x14 kick, Custom built 5ply maple with round over outside/30 degree inside bearing edges, surpraphonic 6.5x14, giant beat 15" HH, gb 24"ride, gb 18,20 crashes and 2002 17,19 crashes that i'm layin off of. Kick and toms are there, the snare(new to me) has been the biggest pain, It was dropping tension rods out of the lugs, so went to the nylon locks. I hit hard, but with solid technique(not a basher, but rimshots all day long) It's a converted super sensitive....I wonder if the extra holes from removed center rod are giving me too much venting? or maybe when the lugs dropped out, my bottom head got weird....I think i'm gonna switch out the heads tmrw? anyway, let me know if you got any ideas...and thanx
I don't know if you know but all of Bonzo's wood shelled Ludwigs were 3 ply with rerings.Pretty thin shells.His Maple kit was probably maple/mahogany/maple,and his green sparkle was all maple....but again...3 thin plys.And if your trying for the first Zep drum sound....better get some Slingerlands,because thats what he used till mid 69 when he got his maple Ludwig double bass set a la Carmine Appice.There is a photo of Bonzo behind his Slingys on the DFO forum.

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Old 08-02-2011, 09:20 PM
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IMHO - it's cool to go for a "bozo-ish" sound but to try to duplicate
every nuance as heard on Zep albums all the way down to 3ply this or that
c# snare sound etc....

well, it's just not that fruitful in the big picture....if you know what I mean.

in fact..unless you're music , gtr tone, style, arrangment etc...is total Zepplin knock-off
then it is a waste of time IMO.

I can get bonzo-ish tones from my entry level 5pc kit:
Coated emperors, wide open kick sound, similar tuning etc....
and with some of the mentioned recording techniques I can even get recorded sounds that resemble that tone
and with my giant beat cymbals - it's good enough for me

in my mind there's no need to get THAT obsessive it unless you're putting out a drum sample library intended to cop the "zep kit"

which, by the way Steven slate has done "SSD" Steven Slate drums" has a "zep kit"

he went all out in capturing those tones like renting a stone castle in the hollywood hills so he could place his room mics way up a stairwell, auditioning and finding a drummer that plays like Bonham all the way down to recording to 2" tape....

SSD - "Zep kit" look it up

with drum replacement software those tones could be yours!
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I am using great mics on the kit, Ev re20 on the kick, a single neumann overhead(yes 1 over) 414 and 57 on the snare(so far unused)and a telefunken in the room along with (so far unused)various safety mics. And what i meant in the last post was, after infinite tune tinkering and mic selection/ placement over a few days, I'm now happy with the kick and toms, the snare is hassling me, I think the reso is giving out. I'm not here to bicker, I have 1 week, and I'm trying to get it done the best i can. I stand by the statement no one has gotten his sound, that includes myself. I periodically check back here to see if anyone has thrown me a gem and all I get is pop shots and an inquisition? I mean, posting #57....Really? I don't know how many posts, and no one has mentioned the C# pitch that bonhams snare seems to emit? I'll check back again on the outside chance someone may have a helpful thought
This is very interesting, to say the least.

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Old 08-02-2011, 11:14 PM
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I always find it hilarious when drummers come in critiquing "oh, why would you try to sound like Bonham, be original!" all the while they try to play, sound, and tune like Gavin Harrison, Purdie, Weckl, Vinnie, or any number of professional drummers out there! Learn who your paying audience is, here's a hint, it's not those close-minded drummers harping about originality. And if anyone ever gives you s--- about playing a "Bonham" kit, let them know that Jimmy Page wasn't the only legend who played a Les Paul (Sunburst either!)

As to the OP, like millions have already stated, only Bonham sounded like Bonham. Want proof? Listen to his playing using a wood kit, then his acrylic one. It's the same feel, groove, and fills he leaned towards. So, using two different kits with different heads and different tuning (only snare was the same), you get one guy who sounds the same. It really goes beyond what kit you use, your heads, your cymbals, etc. Bonham sounded like Bonham in SPITE of what kit he played! Recording techniques count even less in my book. He played in all sorts of different sized studios with different mic arrangements. In Led Zeppelin I he used a 13-16-24 kit, and what I honestly believe was a 14x5 supraphonic (not the 6.5" he's known for), and it's still sounded big! My favorite Zep song btw is the first track off the first record, "Good Times, Bad Times."

For the guys and gals who claimed to capture his sound on recordings, I'd love to hear those examples. Bonham was the sloppiest tight-player I've ever heard, and I'd love to hear / understand how you captured that.
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:46 AM
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The question is: What Would John Bonham Do? Can you match that Bonham Feel?

In terms of "technique" you might play like Bonham but in terms of "feel" - I doubt it!
His ringing true and heavy in addition of his swinging right arm on the ride, are awesome and something else...
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I don't know if you know but all of Bonzo's wood shelled Ludwigs were 3 ply with rerings.Pretty thin shells.His Maple kit was probably maple/mahogany/maple,and his green sparkle was all maple...
Ludwig, from 63-68, shells were mahogany, poplar, maple ....
Ludwig, from 68-75 (thereabouts), shells were, maple, poplar, maple...
76 was when Ludwig switched to the 6 ply shell (but still maple-poplar mix)
The first "all maple" shell, was the Rogers XP-8 shell, which came out in 1978.
The Appice/Bonham hook-up happened during Zepps 1st tour, where they supported Vanilla Fudge.
All the wood kits, were 3 ply, maple, poplar, maple shells.
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I've got a 70s Ludwig silver sparkle kit in 3ply&"Bonham sizes"",
I use Remo coated Emperors on batter/top side,
Coated Ambassadors on bottom/resonant side,
This applies to the toms only,
For the snare (Pearl free -floating aluminium 6.5),
I use coated Emperor over diplomat clear,
Snares loose.
Now here's my question:every article either in print or online forums have mentioned that he used felt strips on both the batter&resonant sides?.Should i too use felt strips OR use either Aquarian with felt strips built in OR Remo P3 with felt strip?.Btw/fyi it was his early drum roadies Glen Carlson&Mick Hinton that tuned Bonzo's drums &NOT the Ludwig factory,
This can be found on the excellent website:Johnbonham drums.
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I use ps3 / fibrskyn reso combo on a Legacy kit & Vintage Emp's over Amb's. Should be fine.. What size bass drum do you have 26" ?
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If you're using a PS3 there may not be any need for a felt strip given that it is already pre-muffled. It something you're gonna have to try for yourself and decide which method yields the best result
True. I use a PS3 on my 26" kick and a felt strip isn't necessary but I actually prefer it on both heads rather than not. Kinda' the same idea as the P3 FeltTone heads, IMO.

As far as the original topic goes, I don't have a drum dial... but, if you have the requisite drum sizes, coated Emperors and a Tune Bot, try these lug tunings and see how close they get you:

14" snare = 266 batter / 398 reso
24-26" kick = 65 batter / 86 reso
13-14" tom = 185 batter / 244 reso
16" floor = 131 batter / 172 reso
18" floor = 98 batter / 129 reso

Good luck!

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Yes 26 but '80 6ply not 3 ply.
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14" snare = 266 batter / 398 reso
24-26" kick = 65 batter / 86 reso
13-14" tom = 185 batter / 244 reso
16" floor = 131 batter / 172 reso
18" floor = 98 batter / 129 reso
Dayyyum those toms are tuned higgggggggggh!

What is your fundamental note for each piece of the kit? I forget how to calculate it from the batter/reso numbers.

Also I use an app called Drumtune Pro which is like 5$ and its works like the tune bot.

I tune my snare and kick the same exact way but never tried my toms that high. I like my snare to sound Bonhmaesque but that is it.

You can also substitute on the snare
14" snare 298/398 with a Power Center Reverse Dot or CS sounds a lot like your tuning but with a little more ring and sensitivity.
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Dayyyum those toms are tuned higgggggggggh!

What is your fundamental note for each piece of the kit? I forget how to calculate it from the batter/reso numbers.

Also I use an app called Drumtune Pro which is like 5$ and its works like the tune bot.

I tune my snare and kick the same exact way but never tried my toms that high. I like my snare to sound Bonhmaesque but that is it.
If the toms and kick seem a little high, try these settings for a little more punch while retaining the same pitch (fundamentals in parentheses):
24-26" kick = 70 batter / 81 reso (F1 / 43Hz)
13-14" tom = 164 batter / 275 reso (B2 / 123Hz)
16" floor = 116 batter / 194 reso (F2 / 86Hz)
18" floor = 87 batter / 145 reso (C2 / 66Hz)

I like the drum sound on the Ocheltree video so you could say these settings are "inspired" by that. Either way, seems to work pretty well for me.

DrumTune Pro looks pretty sweet - I'm gonna' check it out one of these days. I used to use iDrumTune and it works pretty well for snare and smaller toms. After comparing them, I think the Tune Bot is more accurate with the kicks and larger toms, though. Maybe pick one up for yourself and see what you think.

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I think there's possibly some confusion as to the OP.What i was asking advice about/for is this:SHOULD i fit either coated or vintage emperors with felt strips on either side (or one side only),
OR fit a pre-muffled head P3/Aquarian with felt strip built in OR P3 Felt tone (also with felt strip built in) ?.
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I think the way he set up his bass drum most of the time was a coated Emperror batter tuned a bit higher than "normal" and a smooth white reso tuned quite a bit tighter than the batter with a felt strip on both heads and no port in the reso head. If you want to try for the most accurate, authentic reproduction, that was his formula.

That said, I've seen pictures where he used a Ritchie ring on the front head instead of a felt strip (like when he played the amber Vistalites), so he did change it up a bit from time to time. Use what ever you want, whether it be felt or rings on whichever heads you choose. The sound won't change drastically so long as you use similar heads and tuning as he did.

I play a 1626 3-ply drum with a clear Ludwig Power Collar head (same as a Remo PS3) front and back, nothing in the drum, no hole in the reso head, and it really doesn't need any more muffling than that. In some rooms it actually sounds a little too muffled to me. I tune the batter a little higher than JAW and the reso almost as high as Bonham territory, but not quite. That gives me a really good, controlled low-end thump. If I wanted a more Bonhamesque sound, I would swap the batter for a coated PS4 and tension both heads a bit higher than I do now.

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SHOULD i fit either coated or vintage emperors with felt strips on either side (or one side only),
OR fit a pre-muffled head P3/Aquarian with felt strip built in OR P3 Felt tone (also with felt strip built in) ?.
I'm really curious about the Remo Felt Tone heads too. Has anyone here tried them or done any comparisons? I'm fine with the felt strips, but these might be a little easier to deal with... :)
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