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Old 04-24-2017, 08:29 PM
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If you are a covers band and you want an audience, dont play prog.
Mainly originals...we have a few covers just to reel people back in when they're getting fatigued. We've very careful what we choose. It's mental though what people enjoy listening to sometimes !
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Not the most technical player but like others have said perfect for Pink Floyd.

A big compliment I can say is that I never listen to his drumming and pick faults in it or think "he should have done this instead" his playing is very classy and perfect for the song so I have nothing but respect for his playing.

Came across really well in his autobiography, loved that he could poke fun in himself and his playing at times. Shows a really good (and dry) sense of humour in the book.

I've also met him in person and he was a nice chap to both myself and my partner. A signed drum clock/head hangs proudly in my drum room.

Great musical drummer. Much respect to him.
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Hey guys thanks for all the posts, and also the title of his book.

I found another forum's topic on this:

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...rummer.265165/

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The same with most Floyd songs.


I remember coming off stage at a festival a few years back, a brief conversation with another (slightly cocky) drummer went something like this;

Drummer: Don't you get bored playing Comfortably Numb?

Me: Why would you ask that?

Drummer: Because it's so slow & simple, I think I'd fall asleep.

Me: Have you ever played that song?

Drummer: No.

Me: Come & speak to me again when you have, & it sounded good.

Very well said, slow with space is very difficult, your last comment captures that perfectly
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Old 04-24-2017, 11:27 PM
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Nicks playing never steps on the beauty of the music he is involved with.

He makes clear statements on songs like Speak To Me (opening track to Dark Side Of The Moon) that are easy to digest by a non-musician audience without sounding condescending or simplistic.

He selected tambres that were unique (roto-toms, bells, etc) and adventurous at the time.

I would say that Nick is a quality musician worth study and respect.
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I think Nick was pleased not to play on The Final Cut as, apparently, Waters was so far up his own a**e by that point that even the very mild mannered Gilmour said "It was a horrible album to make". My least favorite Floyd album as I see it more of a Roger Waters solo rant.
True, and I wouldn't say all of Roger Waters' solo stuff is great (although all of it is interesting and "Amused to Death" IS great) ...

But for the same reason, once Waters left Floyd I found it a pretty lame band. With Mason off driving cars it was really Gilmour's solo band by then.
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True, and I wouldn't say all of Roger Waters' solo stuff is great (although all of it is interesting and "Amused to Death" IS great) ...

But for the same reason, once Waters left Floyd I found it a pretty lame band. With Mason off driving cars it was really Gilmour's solo band by then.
I think every band has an era and Floyds was up before Waters left. Having said that The Division Bell is a cracking album, and the Pulse tour was for me one of there best.
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Personally, I think Nick Mason is a great drummer and a good friend of mine.

HAHAHA I was waiting for someone to bring that up.

I think Floyd Mason needs to change his name.
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I think every band has an era and Floyds was up before Waters left. Having said that The Division Bell is a cracking album, .
^ This.

I agree the Final Cut is a Water's solo album under the Pink Floyd name. And not a very good album.

I'd also agree A Momentary Lapse of Reason is essentially a Gilmour solo album, and while decent enough, isn't very Pink Floyd like.

But The Division Bell is really good. Likely due to the fact it was the first album in a long time that Gilmour, Mason and Wright actually collaborated like a band.
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. I love The Final Cut. The strife in the band doesn't bother me, I just love the music.
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If I could play like Nick Mason, I wouldn't be making cymbals.

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I don't know what you guys are talking about. I love The Final Cut. The strife in the band doesn't bother me, I just love the music.
I think The Final Cut makes a lot more sense if you're an British leftie. It might translate but most of the songs are born of Water's Socialist leanings and a lot of it refers to events in British history from the Second World War onwards.

Works for me! But then, I am pretty much the target audience - just the wrong age.
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Old 04-26-2017, 07:21 PM
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PS is my "desert isle" band.

If you ask me about the drummer Mason, I say is a very lame drummer. Not always in time, not good-sounding, often making mistakes live. (Pompeii in one of these days, a lot of bootleg cano only confir that).
If I were a musician, I would have hider mason to record a record? Surely not.

If you ask me about the Musician, his role and "fit" in the Pink Floyd, is a great part of that sound. One of the four parts that made that sound and songs UNIQUE.
Pink Floyd without Mason will be as unique as they were (for me, till 1983)? No, the same if you put apart Gilmour, Waters, Wright.


Generally speaking: music is always tecnique. Is mainly emotion and genius. That was Mason WITH the PF.
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Floyd fan here. Only been playing about 15 months so far. Comfortably Numb was the first song I learned to play all the way through. Yeah, it's pretty easy but it taught me how to play deliberately softer (especially on my ride) and control cymbal wash...

My wife likes it when I play Floyd, it's much quieter in the house.

I want to learn Us & Them but the chorus parts are killing me..I can't hear the drums that well, even in a good recording of the song, during the chorus so I can't figure out the timing...
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I just leave this here.

Nick Mason and Gary wallis during my favorite concert, the "The Division Bell Tour" (so sad I didn't got to be there).

The master and the apprentice, who became the master himself by teaching his master when they embarked on a world tour. This because the master wasn't quite up to the task for it at the start. However Its said that he got back into shape very quick and played a lot more and steady as the tour went on.

Floydian for life. Went on a road trip to Gilmour in Belgium. Trip of my life. Best concert ive went too (rain and all during Comfortably Numb in the dark knight))
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I hope Nick brings the band to the US

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YttFpTrpUj4

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I recently saw Nick Mason interviewed by Brian Johnson for his Life On The Road TV series. Apologies if I get it slightly wrong but I'm pretty sure the gist of what I'm saying is correct.
Nick saw drummers like Ginger Baker playing and fancied the idea of playing drums, he bought a kit and fell into playing with friends from the same art college in the band that would evolve into Pink Floyd. In their first year together they played about 27 gigs. They got signed by a major label and the following year they did 200 gigs across the UK. When he first set foot on stage as a professional he had in total about 100 hours of drum playing experience. That's practising, rehearsing and gigging!

So looking at it from that viewpoint his natural ability and taste are pretty stellar really.
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This discussion, to me, begs the question, If Floyd, and the Beatles, and others had played more technical, less "boring" "simple" music, would Mason, Ringo, and others, been up to the task? I guess we'll never know. But we say that they play to, and within the music, and only what the music needed, I was just wondering if these bands drummers would have able to keep up as it were???
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I think they all played 'less boring' stuff. I mean we get some Mason ripping in Pompeii. I think sometimes a super organic delivery makes things sound simple, maybe simpler than they really are to deliver at that level of yumminess.
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When I got to see him play on Live in Pompeii, I finally could put what I heard with what he was doing. I've been a Floyd fan since the Syd days & have always loved his approach. He was one of my inspirations to get into drumming as a teen.

I've followed him up to and including his work with Rick Fenn in the 80's, and sort of dropped out after that.

I'll always have a good place for him in my drumming heart.
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Disclaimer: Big Floyd Fan (from Piper to the Wall...)

When it comes up regarding any band or drummer (ie Ringo\Beatles, Watts\Stones, etc) I like to ask the question:

What drum part\s on what song\s would you change or replace?

I can't recall one time where I have gotten a legitimate answer....

Yep, just like Ringo, Watts, and many others, Mason is perfect in his context.
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Mongrel I agree. That fits right in to what I was saying. The Bealtles have probably one of the more diverse catalogs of music type and I have all of their stuff, and can't think of any song I would change. Same with most music. The Beatles weren't just 4 guys, that had great engineers and producers as well. I just wondered if they started doing progressive stuff if Ringo could stay up. I think he could.
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I return the aggreement! Lol....

I think he could too-specifically because he doesn't approach the music the way a more traditional drummer would have-especially a drummer taught how to play "progressive music". He would have created progressive parts because of his ear and approach without necessarily even knowing it was "progressive".

Now if he were asked to play "The Black Page" by Frank Zappa? Well....there are probably only a handful of drummers who could pull that off.

But that wasn't the question so...."pffffttt" to that!
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Some lovely Nick Mason right here....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KkRcwqxLEuk
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I return the aggreement! Lol....

I think he could too-specifically because he doesn't approach the music the way a more traditional drummer would have-especially a drummer taught how to play "progressive music". He would have created progressive parts because of his ear and approach without necessarily even knowing it was "progressive".

Now if he were asked to play "The Black Page" by Frank Zappa? Well....there are probably only a handful of drummers who could pull that off.

But that wasn't the question so...."pffffttt" to that!
Ooh ooh can I pfffffttt too? Oh yea, thats nice....I plead the pffffffftt!
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As far as I am aware the "pffffffftt" is available to all members, but I would wait for confirmation from Gruntersdad bfore using it. Maybe a pm is in order?
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Simple?

Depends how you look a it.

Easy?

Anything is easy if you know how to do it and Nick knows how to do his job well.

Sum up what drummig is about dunnit.
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..When it comes up regarding any band or drummer (ie Ringo\Beatles, Watts\Stones, etc) I like to ask the question:

What drum part\s on what song\s would you change or replace?..

In my opinion we should also consider that there is a huge..like huge..part of romantic/nostalgic/etc view on those drummers..

Ofcourse they played perfect drumparts to those songs with those bands..

But to me the question is more..:

If Watts, Star and Mason would have been the same quality band-drummers that they are considered to be now but they would not have had the luck to be in a band with some of the best songwriters in history then would we ever have heard of them or in the same way..?

In my opinion the drumparts that those people played are also considered legendary a lot because they are just played on legendary songs..And then in my opinion is also a little 'easy' to only say hallelujah to every drumpart from those people..
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If Watts, Star and Mason would have been the same quality band-drummers that they are considered to be now but they would not have had the luck to be in a band with some of the best songwriters in history then would we ever have heard of them or in the same way..?
Would anyone?

I wouldn't know about Vinnie if it wasn't for Frank, Joni or Gordon.
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If Watts, Star and Mason would have been the same quality band-drummers that they are considered to be now but they would not have had the luck to be in a band with some of the best songwriters in history then would we ever have heard of them or in the same way..?

In my opinion the drumparts that those people played are also considered legendary a lot because they are just played on legendary songs..And then in my opinion is also a little 'easy' to only say hallelujah to every drumpart from those people..
Well, the same goes for any well-known drummer (pre-youtube anyway).

If not for Rush, Neil Peart would be selling tractor parts in Canada.


And it also goes the other way: If not for being the drummers they were, would the bands achieved what they did?

Well, Pete Best can already answer that one: The band would have found someone else.

Heck Pink Floyd kicked out their main songwriter and bandleader because Syd being not in the band was easier than Syd in the band.

It's not just playing, it's the getting along with people, making the sacrifices, showing up to the gigs, dealing with the touring, studio pressure, the record companies, etc.

Playing is only a part of being in a band.
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As a fairly average drummer I try to explain to people that find his drumming "simplistic" how hard it actually is. I try to explain my many battles with slower click tracks. Drummers get it (usually). None drummers never can.

I struggle with it (ie. during my times playing along with Pink Floyd music) immensely. It's a very gifted drummer who can play in the manner he does. Almost selflessly.

Pink Floyd - I do actually believe they're the most over-rated band in history. And yet two of their albums are in my favourite top albums which I constantly go back to. So, fair to say, I'm torn. I just feel they did a lot of crap. But then music is just so subjective. I get that.
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Excluding anything released after The Wall, where was the "lot of crap" to which you refer?
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At the end of the day, there are many, much better drummers on this forum than one’s who have “made it” with high profile situations. The same holds true for any field. Timing, luck, locations, personality, dynamics, work ethic, other skills all play a role. That is why I do not get into “Who’s the best” conversations. Were the Wrecking Crew the best musicians in LA? Yes they were tops, but I am sure many technically better musicians existed. The WC provided what producers needed. Efficient and high quality playing in a tight, studio deadline environment. Producers knew what they were getting, thus called the same players for the sessions.
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Excluding anything released after The Wall, where was the "lot of crap" to which you refer?
Now that is a great question that I would like to hear answered myself....lol.
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While i completely detest floyd and find them more boring than pretty much any band ever.. (even stoned i can't listen to them).. I will say that Mason was easily the perfect man for the job. Nothing fancy but every fill is perfect.. even beat.. is exactly as needed.. i couldn't imagine someone else in that spot. And when i play along with him it's the only time i can stomach the band.

That being said. before anyone gets mad that someone might not like a band they like... i LOVE gilmour and his guitar work is just amazing. just the songs themselves just don't move me..
Ahaha this thread :( What a difference a year makes... since posting this i started altering my consciousness a lot and am so in love with PF it's insane.. Meddle is amazing.. and great gig in the sky makes me cry.. (still hate another brick though) only took 47 years and some outside stimulus to finally get it.
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Now that is a great question that I would like to hear answered myself....lol.
Honestly, I'm not just trying to trigger people, although the manner in which I post often can have that effect. I appreciate that.

Based on my love of Dark Side of the Moon, and the Wall, I purchased the full boxed discography for PF at considerable cost. I listened through a couple of times and honestly, I couldn't pick a decent album from the rest. Some fantastic songs, but not a single decent album. In my opinion, to my taste.

I have to stress I'm a bit of a quirky one. There are no bands who get unfettered loyalty from me such as superfans tend to give. If I think an album is shit, I'll say so, even if it's my favourite band. Jeez, I even often proclaim that I think my bands own first album was shit. I really riles my fellow band mates. It's my DNA I'm afraid.

But listen. If you love some stuff I don't then good on you. Knock yourselves out. It's all about opinions. And music's wonderful for that isn't it. My favourite band was the Undertones, and still is. They're the closest I've ever come to consistent perfection. That should tell you where I am on the musical spectrum.
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Ahaha this thread :( What a difference a year makes... since posting this i started altering my consciousness a lot and am so in love with PF it's insane.. Meddle is amazing.. and great gig in the sky makes me cry.. (still hate another brick though) only took 47 years and some outside stimulus to finally get it.
Are you telling me I shouldn't have flogged my boxed set ??

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Honestly, I'm not just trying to trigger people, although the manner in which I post often can have that effect. I appreciate that.

Based on my love of Dark Side of the Moon, and the Wall, I purchased the full boxed discography for PF at considerable cost. I listened through a couple of times and honestly, I couldn't pick a decent album from the rest. Some fantastic songs, but not a single decent album. In my opinion, to my taste.

I have to stress I'm a bit of a quirky one. There are no bands who get unfettered loyalty from me such as superfans tend to give. If I think an album is shit, I'll say so, even if it's my favourite band. Jeez, I even often proclaim that I think my bands own first album was shit. I really riles my fellow band mates. It's my DNA I'm afraid.

But listen. If you love some stuff I don't then good on you. Knock yourselves out. It's all about opinions. And music's wonderful for that isn't it. My favourite band was the Undertones, and still is. They're the closest I've ever come to consistent perfection. That should tell you where I am on the musical spectrum.
I was just curious....not butt hurt....lol. I am long past the age of "favorite bands", super fanism and all that brou-ha-ha... ;)

I think part of "getting" The Floyd has to do with age. It is easier for some people to connect with music they heard in their youth than it may me to come at 40-50 year old music today when you are in your 20s.

I mean to bands even write concept albums today? Do they write with the limitation of the LP in mind? 1 album, two sides 22.5 min per side max? That probably seems really strange to some people. Back in the day you had to find an fm radio station that would have an after midnight show and actually play an 18 minute cut if you or a friend didn't have the album lol...

Back to the "crap" and being honest.... Yes, there certainly was a lot of psychedelic experimental "crap" on the very early Syd Barrett stuff. But some bright spots as well. My feeling is that they had a string of work from Meddle to The Wall (least fav of the 6 albums) that is absolutely fantastic and worthy of real respect.

But I won't make anyone else sign off on that opinion....

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I was just curious....not butt hurt....lol. I am long past the age of "favorite bands", super fanism and all that brou-ha-ha... ;)

I think part of "getting" The Floyd has to do with age. It is easier for some people to connect with music they heard in their youth than it may me to come at 40-50 year old music today when you are in your 20s.

I mean to bands even write concept albums today? Do they write with the limitation of the LP in mind? 1 album, two sides 22.5 min per side max? That probably seems really strange to some people. Back in the day you had to find an fm radio station that would have an after midnight show and actually play an 18 minute cut if you or a friend didn't have the album lol...

Back to the "crap" and being honest.... Yes, there certainly was a lot of psychedelic experimental "crap" on the very early Syd Barrett stuff. But some bright spots as well. My feeling is that they had a string of work from Meddle to The Wall (least fav of the 6 albums) that is absolutely fantastic and worthy of real respect.

But I won't make anyone else sign off on that opinion....

:)
If you're looking for a modern band (or at least a band still touring, with healthy output and fanbase) have you considered giving Marillion a listen through fresh ears.

They're about my favourite none-punk band. They absolutely rock. They still knock out concept albums or at least their albums often have that 'feel' about them.

I'll give those PF albums a listen through ears that are a few years more mature. The joys of Spotify and a job that involves lots of driving :-)
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