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Old 03-25-2017, 11:11 AM
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The difference between my PDP drums and the walnut segmented.

It's more like a different dimension.

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but i thought it is all head choice and tuning.
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The difference between my PDP drums and the walnut segmented.

It's more like a different dimension.

Just sayin'

If you have great drums....gig them.

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While I can definitely relate, and agree with you, put a Porter and Davies BC2 under your bottom and you'll see what a new dimension is really all about. Totally elevates the playing experience to another level.
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While I can definitely relate, and agree with you, put a Porter and Davies BC2 under your bottom and you'll see what a new dimension is really all about. Totally elevates the playing experience to another level.
IDK I think it would distract me.

Wouldn't it tend to give a man a chubby?

How's that for dinner party convo?
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IDK I think it would distract me.

Wouldn't it tend to give a man a chubby?

How's that for dinner party convo?
Wait, wait, wait...

Are you telling me the rest of you don't normally have a chubby while you play?
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I had some Yamaha BCAN drums and didn't thick twice about gigging with them. I really couldn't wait to get them out of the house and on to a stage.
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Larry,
Glad the difference is more than 10% better than your PDP. If I ever do get a new kit. I'd like to know I got $$ better sound for $$$$ and not <$.
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The difference between my PDP drums and the walnut segmented.

It's more like a different dimension.

Just sayin'

If you have great drums....gig them.

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There is a distinct difference in tonal quality from my PDP CX to my DW Collectors. I can only imagine the difference
Between a PDP and Guru to be vast. And I agree completely, gig 'em!
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I'm not sure the 10% thing even applies. Meaning I'm not sure that anyone can say, "Oh solid shells...you get the last 10% of the tone from them. Solid shells are in a whole different class. I don't feel it's fair to compare to ply by saying they're 10% better. They're 100% better to my ear, minimal.

OMG I had such a great gig the other night with them. It was the first time in my favorite room I play. I was smiling ear to ear for 2 hours and 10 minutes, the length of our first set that night. (If it's break time and the floor is packed with females, we don't break then) I don't know if the drums had anything to do with that, but a 2 hour set only happens maybe twice a year.

The happiness factor is literally through the roof now. Best move I ever made.

We do The Band's "The Weight". The very first drum note is a kick drum all by itself, on the 3rd beat of the 2nd measure of the guitar pickup. I nailed my bass drum so hard on that 1 note, that I made the bandleader laugh, it was so powerful. (that's rare to make him laugh onstage)

It was almost criminal to keep them all to myself. I don't appreciate them nearly as much at home, it's just me. They're made to be used live and they should be heard by as many people as possible. I am ecstatic!
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I'm not sure the 10% thing even applies. Meaning I'm not sure that anyone can say, "Oh solid shells...you get the last 10% of the tone from them. Solid shells are in a whole different class. I don't feel it's fair to compare to ply by saying they're 10% better. They're 100% better to my ear, minimal.

OMG I had such a great gig the other night with them. It was the first time in my favorite room I play. I was smiling ear to ear for 2 hours and 10 minutes, the length of our first set that night. (If it's break time and the floor is packed with females, we don't break then) I don't know if the drums had anything to do with that, but a 2 hour set only happens maybe twice a year.

The happiness factor is literally through the roof now. Best move I ever made.

We do The Band's "The Weight". The very first drum note is a kick drum all by itself, on the 3rd beat of the 2nd measure of the guitar pickup. I nailed my bass drum so hard on that 1 note, that I made the bandleader laugh, it was so powerful. (that's rare to make him laugh onstage)

It was almost criminal to keep them all to myself. I don't appreciate them nearly as much at home, it's just me. They're made to be used live and they should be heard by as many people as possible. I am ecstatic!
I've already got your address; we could ship them back and forth for our respective gigs so they get more use!
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Priceless! You have no idea how happy that makes me.

The solid shell thing, in itself, is almost irrelevant. I played a solid shell kit a few weeks back that was one of the most disappointing sounding instruments I've ever tried. A kit that was easily trounced by almost any sub $1,000 ply shelled kit.

As a further comparison, I contest that a Kumu birch ply kit performs better than 80% of solid kits I've ever tried.
Andy the 12" tom is pure sex. I find myself altering my playing a bit to incorporate a single 12" tom hit somewhere where there's a nice little hole, because it sounds so fn good, it amazes me. I never had a drum tone that altered the way I play. The kick is subsonic. The floor tom is blissful.

However, I find myself realizing that the 10" tom....any 10" tom...doesn't have a big enough surface area to shine unmiced in anything bigger than a small intimate room.

So I have a 13 x 10 rack tom on order, and I will run a higher tuned 12 and a medium tuned 13.

12's just translate better for the high tom...in the audience....for unmiced situations in medium sized rooms with a lot of people. As much as I like the 10 from the throne, it's loses it's tone quickly by virtue of it's size in a room with a lot of bodies, judging from my recordings.

I always thought 12 and 13 racks were too close in size. But those sizes...they knew what they were doing.

I'm putting together a segmented walnut bop kit. I ordered a 20 x 12 bass drum from Andy that I will use my 10 rack and 14 floor from Yolanda for.

I also ordered an 18" floor tom too, just because I wanted that thunder. I haven't owned an 18 since the mid seventies. Shell bank of segmented walnuts is what I'll have, then I'll give the Sonor Players kit to my 11 YO stepson who is turning into a capable drummer.

I want to say I'm done after that, but I won't :)
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Old 03-26-2017, 08:13 PM
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I thought you were gigging those drums all this time. Wth?
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The solid shell thing, in itself, is almost irrelevant. I played a solid shell kit a few weeks back that was one of the most disappointing sounding instruments I've ever tried. A kit that was easily trounced by almost any sub $1,000 ply shelled kit.

As a further comparison, I contest that a Kumu birch ply kit performs better than 80% of solid kits I've ever tried.
But WHY did the solid kit suck? Bad edges, out of round, what? PM me if you are trying to avoid embarrassing the maker, or whatever.
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Andy the 12" tom is pure sex. I find myself altering my playing a bit to incorporate a single 12" tom hit somewhere where there's a nice little hole, because it sounds so fn good, it amazes me. I never had a drum tone that altered the way I play. The kick is subsonic. The floor tom is blissful.

However, I find myself realizing that the 10" tom....any 10" tom...doesn't have a big enough surface area to shine unmiced in anything bigger than a small intimate room.

So I have a 13 x 10 rack tom on order, and I will run a higher tuned 12 and a medium tuned 13.

12's just translate better for the high tom...in the audience....for unmiced situations in medium sized rooms with a lot of people. As much as I like the 10 from the throne, it's loses it's tone quickly by virtue of it's size in a room with a lot of bodies, judging from my recordings.

I always thought 12 and 13 racks were too close in size. But those sizes...they knew what they were doing.

I'm putting together a segmented walnut bop kit. I ordered a 20 x 12 bass drum from Andy that I will use my 10 rack and 14 floor from Yolanda for.

I also ordered an 18" floor tom too, just because I wanted that thunder. I haven't owned an 18 since the mid seventies. Shell bank of segmented walnuts is what I'll have, then I'll give the Sonor Players kit to my 11 YO stepson who is turning into a capable drummer.

I want to say I'm done after that, but I won't :)
Nah...I love the 10" tom sound, because I like the Latin feel and the sound of the 10 can be pure Latin if tuned right. Rim shots on it also sound great and i'm talking a 500 quid kit, not the meggabucks you have spent. For that sort of money I wold expect it to play itself, and make me breakfast.
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Nah...I love the 10" tom sound, because I like the Latin feel and the sound of the 10 can be pure Latin if tuned right. Rim shots on it also sound great and i'm talking a 500 quid kit, not the meggabucks you have spent. For that sort of money I wold expect it to play itself, and make me breakfast.
I love the 10" tom sound too, I always will. It's just that what I hear onstage is not what the audience hears, according to my recordings. I play unmiced always and that's the issue. The 10" is a little anemic sounding compared to the rest of the toms. It's unbalanced to me. I need my unmiced drum tone to make it to the audience intact. Plus I was imprinted with the Motown 12" tom tuned kind of high, so I'm giving it a try.
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Well this is one deviant post-I like it. The "Chubby" reference which I find mentioning someones weight offensive-since I "lean" that way ;) Then we find the 10 in is wanting but hey let's go for the 13 in whopper-however the 12 in is just perfect. Like Goldilocks on porn. Then we find Larry has gone from just a "Guru"vy fanatic to down right "Guru"eedy corning the Walnut Guru market so no one else will be able to get one in the near future-Andy will be too busy filling all Larry's orders=Geez Louise! LOL You guys break me up. Poor lil 10 in "ain't" getting much love. Larry I think it's only fair that you let us all hear your drums "live" so no recording (unmic'ed) for all to hear. Now you have 24 hours to meet the Mission Impossible challenge. Good luck
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Larry, if you've got the back for it mate, do it :-)

I would never take out my top end kit and play it at a gig, but that's because I live in England, where scabby little tramps will throw beer all over it, or stand on it, or indeed steal it.

Yamaha stage custom whenever I gig, so it gives me multiple weapons against the aforementioned scutters.

We have quite a large element of that in our society and absolutely wouldn't dream of taking a boutique kit like a guru out to a gig. But the kind of gig I frequent or play at might have different attendees to gigs that you play Larry.
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Larry, if you've got the back for it mate, do it :-)

I would never take out my top end kit and play it at a gig, but that's because I live in England, where scabby little tramps will throw beer all over it, or stand on it, or indeed steal it.

Yamaha stage custom whenever I gig, so it gives me multiple weapons against the aforementioned scutters.

We have quite a large element of that in our society and absolutely wouldn't dream of taking a boutique kit like a guru out to a gig. But the kind of gig I frequent or play at might have different attendees to gigs that you play Larry.
The places I play at...I never even think about the safety of my gear. There's zero scabby tramps lol. I know the people who come see our band. I'm pretty well liked, and I have to believe that if someone was screwing with my gear while I was away from the set....I know I have people who would cover my back. The worst thing that happens is a dancer trips and falls onto the bandstand. But it's not intentional. I play at some OK places. I never had to worry about my gear with scabby little tramps lol. What a great descriptor.

The way I look at it is this: Nothing has ever happened to any of my previous gear, why should this be any different? The only real difference is the cost of the drums, but that really doesn't matter to me, it's just money. There's always more of that. The feeling I have now when I am anticipating my gigs...guess what, money can buy that. So why not.
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You need better gigs 😁
The gigs I play are awesome, just exactly what are you insinuating with that comment?

I need to play more "middle-class" gigs perhaps?

Forgive me, but you sound like a bit of a snob
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The places I play at...I never even think about the safety of my gear. There's zero scabby tramps lol. I know the people who come see our band. I'm pretty well liked, and I have to believe that if someone was screwing with my gear while I was away from the set....I know I have people who would cover my back. The worst thing that happens is a dancer trips and falls onto the bandstand. But it's not intentional. I play at some OK places. I never had to worry about my gear with scabby little tramps lol. What a great descriptor.

The way I look at it is this: Nothing has ever happened to any of my previous gear, why should this be any different? The only real difference is the cost of the drums, but that really doesn't matter to me, it's just money. There's always more of that. The feeling I have now when I am anticipating my gigs...guess what, money can buy that. So why not.
Fair do's, you're lucky to a) have lots of money to spend on a really expensive kit and b) to not give a damn if it did get damaged or stolen.

I once took a Sonor Delite to a gig and one gear changeover and it was scratched. I lent someone my brand new china once, and he cracked it. With my Yamaha, people have dropped toms when adding/removing from the kick drum, I've lost far too many felts, boom arms, people have broken pedal chains.

I guess the question is, do you let other people use your Guru? or is it just you?

I do like your approach, it's like the classic car thing. You have a beautiful kit that people need to see and hear rather than sitting at home being polished all the time. You are a rare person and I salute you doing that, I guess my music taste keeps me from seeing any kits like these anywhere
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I guess the question is, do you let other people use your Guru? or is it just you?
With my gigs we don't do sit in drummers. My gigs are not multi bills, ever. I would not volunteer these drums on a multi bill no way.

Our band used to host an open mic, and I'd let the jammers play on my exotic DW's. Really, they are just drums, designed to be punished. They are not glass vases. I wouldn't have a problem letting people play my Gurus in that situation. Then I could hear them with my own ears in the audience. I am more concerned about my bronze when there are other drummers on my kit. And scratches? I choose not to worry about such inconsequential things. Nothing is perfect. Beat up instruments have a ton of character.

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With my gigs we don't do sit in drummers. My gigs are not multi bills, ever. I would not volunteer these drums on a multi bill no way.

Our band used to host an open mic, and I'd let the jammers play on my exotic DW's. Really, they are just drums, designed to be punished. They are not glass vases. I wouldn't have a problem letting people play my Gurus in that situation. Then I could hear them with my own ears in the audience. I am more concerned about my bronze when there are other drummers on my kit. And scratches? I choose not to worry about such inconsequential things. Nothing is perfect. Beat up instruments have a ton of character.

Don't sweat the petty stuff, pet the sweaty stuff :)
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fair play dude, people where you live clearly treat each others gear with more respect. I'd love to do that but at a multi bill line up (with plenty of kids) where you're the headliner and everyone else turns up with just sticks, it's just not gonna happen. I guess over there there is a higher standard of player but here we have tons of tub thumpers (which I am to a certain extent) whose technique is really lacking so end up hitting the cymbals wrong, pitting my heads, in moving the toms it slips and takes a chunk out of your kick drum.

Hey I don't mind the odd scratch myself and yes drums are there to be battered, but by me and not some numpty who can barely play.

Hence I always take my Yammy and my old zildjians coz I just don't care too much about those.

Amazing how different 2 drummers experiences can be :-)

My new approach is to listen to bands before we play with them because like you, I love to hear someone else beating the crap out of my kit, but as long they are not some kid just doing it for the sake of it, that's what I have to protect myself from, being poor
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I'm sorry if my comment offended you, it wasn't intended to, or insult the overall standard of gigs you do. It was a throw away comment aimed more at the stealing / interfering with gear aspect that you referred to. Stealing gear isn't a class thing, it's a classless thing. In hindsight, I shouldn't have commented if I had nothing constructive to add.

As for me being a snob, I'm sure anyone who knows me will inform you I'm the opposite of a snob, whatever that is. I was dragged up from an orphanage on the dock road of Liverpool - likely the product of prostitution. I made good of my own fortitude & work ethic. All in all, just about the most unlikely foundation for a snob you could wish to find.
Might be worth staying away from the smart-arsed comments then as that is how you came across with that comment.

No worries. I'm all for a light-hearted jape as much as the next man but jokes, as much as they are jokes, are always derived from truth, that's why they're funny.

I just felt it was a class thing, as in, "I need to play better gigs on a better kit coz the gigs I play are shit". No doubt, I'm not disagreeing, I just think you'd be best sticking to giving out great advice (that you do frequently) rather than jokes.

Also, I have a bee in my bonnet about the UK class-war so may have over-reacted a little

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"I need to play more "middle-class" gigs perhaps?

Forgive me, but you sound like a bit of a snob"

This is the best forum of any sort I have ever been a part of. The experiences you describe are experiences I too would avoid. I play in plenty of dives for little money and have never encountered things that you describe.

You are quick to give advice so here is a little for you, lighten up man. I won't offer a description of how you are coming off.

Get back to discussing drumming and music and you'll be fine. Jump into light hearted discussions as well. This is a great group of people that will be very quick to help you if they can.
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Andy didn't mean anything negative. He's a really good soul who means well and does good things for people. I can guarantee that he wasn't taking a pop. It's not his style.
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I would also like to register my extreme offense at Andy.

He's a great person with a good heart and ethic that produces amazing instruments. It's offensive.
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Sorry...but what exactly does the 10% refer to?
Is it the price of drums or the volume? I may have missed an earlier thread on the significance of this number.

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Might be worth staying away from the smart-arsed comments then as that is how you came across with that comment.

No worries. I'm all for a light-hearted jape as much as the next man but jokes, as much as they are jokes, are always derived from truth, that's why they're funny.

I just felt it was a class thing, as in, "I need to play better gigs on a better kit coz the gigs I play are shit". No doubt, I'm not disagreeing, I just think you'd be best sticking to giving out great advice (that you do frequently) rather than jokes.

Also, I have a bee in my bonnet about the UK class-war so may have over-reacted a little

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Sorry...but what exactly does the 10% refer to?
Is it the price of drums or the volume? I may have missed an earlier thread on the significance of this number.

Thanks.
Sorry JB...I have read here a lot of times that the difference between really great drums and magic drums is the last 10%.

It's not enough first off, 10% ain't &%$. It's a new category altogether is what I'm saying. I admit, in my case the walnut has a lot to do with it. I never had walnut before, it's like salted chocolate.

I've had 4 gigs with the tom tree and they have been the best 4 gigs of my life. Everything is finally coming together, except for the dreaded solo :\

The drums attract interest for sure. Like from guys who thought they've seen it all.

Drummers can't resist.
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It's an analogy / contextual reference I use frequently in an attempt to offer some scale to a "sound quality" discussion. The actual number / value is irrelevant. It's an easy to appreciate way of saying the differences are often small, but can have either strong value, or no value, depending on context & who is making the assessment.

Put another way, it's an example / visualisation of the principal of diminishing return.
That's pretty much how it is with most non-consumable goods. I used to be an avid cyclist, training and racing all the time, till a real nice crash ended all that. The difference between $500 and a $1500 bike are off the scale. Move to he $2500 price point and the difference is much less noticeable....maybe 10%, but when you ride the thing, that 10% is huge. If a drum produces 90% of another, but gives me 10% of something more I love, then that's going to be huge.

It is however tougher to quantify with drums, unless you can actually drag a set home and get some time on it, play with tuning, etc. it's really hard to see 10% better HW too. 10% lighter though may be the difference between getting up the stairs with your HW bag on your own, or asking the old lady behind you for a hand! :)
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