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Old 05-31-2014, 05:09 AM
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Hi everybody. I haven't been around for several months due to other life stuff, but I wanted to show everyone what I just acquired.

A new (to me) Ludwig Supraphonic!

It's a 2008 model which looks absolutely fantastic (I've included pictures!!)

One thing, however, I didn't realize that Ludwig stopped making the Supra's with the internal muffler. How did I not know this?

I bought the drum on Ebay and there weren't a lot of pictures - at least of the inside of the drum. So I didn't realize this. The last 24 hours have been very educational.

The drum has a new Ambassador batter head (installed by the seller), and the original Ludwig resonant head.

I would like to change the heads due to the extreme overtones and would like some suggestions. Don't get me wrong, I know that the overtones on snares (and especially a Supraphonic) are what it's all about. But these need to be tamed a bit. I have an Acrolite, that I love the sound of, and use the internal muffler a bit to control those overtones - sounds brilliant!

Okay, enough rambling.

Let me know what you guys think.
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Old 05-31-2014, 05:41 AM
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Wow, a really positive response. Thanks!
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Old 05-31-2014, 11:12 AM
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To be honest I did not get the sense of Dre25's post, but maybe it's just a language problem (I mean: maybe I don't get jokes in English ).

Anyway: first of all let me tell you that you have found a great snare! In fact it looks like your Supra is a chrome over brass one (COB)! The interior does not look like Ludalloy (aluminum). I have a relatively recent COB Supra and it has a very similar interior. What I do not understand is the blue / olive badge: it seemed to me that around 2008 Ludwig already had the new Monroe type of badge (new keystone badge).

Ludwig experts?
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I can't help with your questions, of course, but it's good to see you back here, and oh my goodness, WHAT A BEAUTY!
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Old 05-31-2014, 04:05 PM
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Congrats on a beautiful snare! You won't be sorry once you get it dialed in the way you like. I have a 2009 LM400 Supraphonic, and it is an amazing snare drum.

For the muffling, or having a bit more control over the ring, I've been using an Evans Genera Dry batter head, with an Evans Glass 200 snare side, with 42-Strand Snare Wires. That combo lets the drum sing, but keeps the overtones in check without making the drum sound dead.. Also, try 42-Strand snare wires! Holy snare-slap Batman!
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The drum has a new Ambassador batter head (installed by the seller), and the original Ludwig resonant head.

I would like to change the heads due to the extreme overtones and would like some suggestions. Don't get me wrong, I know that the overtones on snares (and especially a Supraphonic) are what it's all about. But these need to be tamed a bit. I have an Acrolite, that I love the sound of, and use the internal muffler a bit to control those overtones
I like Remo CS on my Supra but all you really need is some tape or Moongel. No reason to waste a new Ambassador.
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To be honest I did not get the sense of Dre25's post, but maybe it's just a language problem (I mean: maybe I don't get jokes in English …).

Anyway: first of all let me tell you that you have found a great snare! In fact it looks like your Supra is a chrome over brass one (COB)! The interior does not look like Ludalloy (aluminum). I have a relatively recent COB Supra and it has a very similar interior. What I do not understand is the blue / olive badge: it seemed to me that around 2008 Ludwig already had the new Monroe type of badge (new keystone badge).

Ludwig experts?
Yeah I took it to a local music shop and the guy there thought that it might be a brass shell, too. I'd be really interested to find out.

By the way, but not to brag, but I got the drum for $177.50. Both the guys that work in the Drum Dept. at the shop said I stole it!!


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I can't help with your questions, of course, but it's good to see you back here, and oh my goodness, WHAT A BEAUTY!
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:50 PM
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If it has a "cut" B/O badge either it a B stock drum or it's COB.Either way,a magnet won't help in this case,since neither aluminum nor brass is magnetic.Even if it's ludalloy,you got a great deal.I'm not aware Ludwig sold B stock supras ,except for the Black Beauty.

The way to tell what metal it is for sure,would be to remove 1 lug and take a small file or knife,and scrape the plating from the mounting hole.You'll know for sure if it's brass

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Old 06-01-2014, 12:41 AM
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The way to tell what metal it is for sure,would be to remove 1 lug and take a small file or knife,and scrape the plating from the mounting hole.You'll know for sure if it's brass

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Yes, I've heard that. When I play the current head out, I do just that. Thanks!
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:07 AM
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Looks awesome man! How does she sound?
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you don't need an internal muffler. i have had many snares without one.
check out one i created, edge of batter - just felt attached ot hoop by a clip. cuts serious overtones.

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Old 06-01-2014, 02:19 AM
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I like this clip idea. Well done Sir.

Have you tried a magnet on the side of the drum to see if it is steel
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you don't need an internal muffler. i have had many snares without one.
check out one i created, edge of batter - just felt attached ot hoop by a clip. cuts serious overtones.

Great idea. I'm going to try it and you should market it.

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Have you tried a magnet on the side of the drum to see if it is steel
No, I hadn't until you just asked. The only thing a magnet sticks to is the hoops.
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Old 06-01-2014, 04:50 AM
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The only thing a magnet sticks to is the hoops.
Glad to hear it. If it did then it ain't a Supra and you'd have been hosed. Ludwig have never made a spun steel shell Supraphonic snare drum.

I'm a betting man. I'm laying money down on a good old fashioned Ludalloy LM400. I'll be interested to find out. Surely you're not gonna wait til you change heads to get to the bottom of this are you? If I thought there was even a remote chance I'd bought a COB at that price I'd have had it apart and investigated long before now.


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Doesn't look like they had much choice Steve. There's not a hell of a lot of room between the hoop and centre bead. Does the uncut B/O badge even fit on a 400?


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Nice Score! I love my '64 Supraphonic ( COB rims, COS shell )

These links might help:

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/brass_shell.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajWv4NoQQac
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.....I've been using an Evans Genera Dry batter head
I second that. Excellent head.
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I love my '64 Supraphonic.......COS shell
Assume you mean COA shell?

I ask not to be a pedant, but because I think it's situations like this that have helped create the myth that the mytserious "steel shell Supra" actually exists. It is the stuff of legend, yet no one has ever been able to prove it exists....lord knows I've never seen one and nor have any Ludwig afficionardos that I've encoutered. But that hasn't stopped the talk. I put it down to people confusing the shiny chrome coating as steel. If you really do have a steel shell Supra it'd be the first confirmation I've ever seen.
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Assume you mean COA shell?

I ask not to be a pedant, but because I think it's situations like this that have helped create the myth that the mytserious "steel shell Supra" actually exists. It is the stuff of legend, yet no one has ever been able to prove it exists....lord knows I've never seen one and nor have any Ludwig afficionardos that I've encoutered. But that hasn't stopped the talk. I put it down to people confusing the shiny chrome coating as steel. If you really do have a steel shell Supra it'd be the first confirmation I've ever seen.

I guess COA or COL ( Chrome over Ludalloy ) are the most correct ways to say it since the alloy contains mostly auminum and varius other metals to allow it to be extruded. Mine is most certainly a Ludalloy version.
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Thought so. Thanks mate.

I'm willing to bet that steel shells don't exist.....but given Ludwig's penchant for throwing the curve ball, I figured it always pays to double check just in case.
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Nice snare. I play a Gretsch kit with a ludwig supra snare as well, and love the combination.

On the snare muffler portion of the thread....

I've always attached a cymbal felt to an overhanging piece of gaffers tape. That way, when I hit the snare, the felt jumps off the head, allowing for the full attack and tone of the snare, and then settles down to cut off the resonating overtones. It has the same duration-shortening effect as moon gel, but lets the full "whack" through better. YMMV. Ever since I got the supra, I haven't used dampening because I love the overtones.
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