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Old 04-06-2014, 08:32 AM
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anything in between you know of?
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:36 AM
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:47 AM
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Old 04-06-2014, 11:41 AM
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Default Re: 5A too thin,5B too thick...

Stick with the 5B, it's simply a case of letting your technique adapt to the size and feel of the stick. 5B is an all-rounder stick, unless you have tiny hands you shouldn't have an issue in the long-run.
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:22 PM
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There's no real standrd either. Different manufacturers will have differently sized 5Bs and 5As, so maybe try out another brand
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Old 04-06-2014, 03:08 PM
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Default Re: 5A too thin,5B too thick...

At this point every manufacturer has all of their specs laid out pretty well, so it's pretty easy to browse a site to find what you're looking for.

Vater for one also lists on each stick's page other models that are similar only longer/shorter/thicker/ thinner etc. which makes it even easier to find other ideas.
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Old 04-06-2014, 03:21 PM
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Old 04-06-2014, 05:39 PM
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Vater 5A's 'Los Angeles' are on the thick side as 5A's go, thicker than VF or ProMark, but you'll notice their hickory is denser, heavier.
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Old 04-06-2014, 06:03 PM
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Vater fatback 3A. Right between 5a and 5b with a barrel tip.
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:19 PM
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Vic Firth American Classic 55A. Very nice stick
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:24 PM
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Dave Weckl signature sticks from Vic Firth. They are slightly smaller than 5b in diameter and lighter.
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Old 04-06-2014, 10:57 PM
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Vater 5A's 'Los Angeles' are on the thick side as 5A's go, thicker than VF or ProMark, but you'll notice their hickory is denser, heavier.
Yep…was going to recommend this stick as well…slightly thicker feel than VF 5A's...
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Old 04-06-2014, 11:41 PM
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You need to get some 5-A-B-ish sticks. The problem is that no one makes them. But, you can yourself. For $5 I will send you detailed plans. The only tools and supplies required are the following:

1. Several packs of sand paper

2. At least one pair of 5-B sticks

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:22 AM
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:37 AM
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That is where I live.

Vater: Fusion, H220, 3A
Vic Firth: 55A
ProMark: Select Balance .580

Good luck finding these in a store. I often cannot, so I use the Vater 5A a lot. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 04-07-2014, 04:13 AM
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Regal Tip 5A (Thicker than other brand's 5A)
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:19 AM
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Vater fatback 3A. Right between 5a and 5b with a barrel tip.
Before this post prompted me to look up the specs, I would have sworn that the Fatbacks were far thicker than a 5B.

I'm surprised as I've had 3A's in my bag for years. Whether it's the thicker shoulder, the big barrel tip or just the way they are weighted, they just feel so much meatier than most 5B's I've ever used. I'm genuinely surprised.
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Old 04-07-2014, 04:06 PM
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Regal Tip 5A (Thicker than other brand's 5A)
.580" x 16"
Yes, I picked up a pair of Regal 5AX and used them on my last two gigs. I'm liking these sticks. May have found my go to stick here. I like the coating too.
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Old 04-07-2014, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: 5A too thin, 5B too thick...

ProMark still makes Carter Beaufords stick now called 5AB it has the diameter of a 5A and the shoulder of a 5B with acorn tip, I use these quite a bit. His new stick with Firth is different, has a 5B diameter.
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Old 04-07-2014, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: 5A too thin, 5B too thick...

Both derek roddy and george kollias have the same problem, both their signature sticks are right in between. Dereks are vater, and Georges are vics.
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Old 04-07-2014, 08:44 PM
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Agree with Regal Tip 5A… just right. (if you can find a shop with them)
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:16 PM
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I miss read your question. Is the actual diameter the problem or the weight/feel? The ProMark 5AB feels between an A & B. The Firth 55A's are really good feeling at .580. Each manufacturers spec's for the same stick nomenclature are different. I've been playing off and on for over 30 years and I'm still switching sticks from time to time, probably never going to find the "perfect" stick. I'm actually probably going back to Firth 5a's.
Go on the web sites and scout out sticks in the diameters between .560 and.580. Your local store won't carry everything obviously but make a list, and if you can, buy a pair of each of what you have on your list and compare.
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Old 04-13-2014, 12:00 PM
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I do recommend the 55A, but also the Extreme 5A from Vic Firth. Though I'm not sure how much thicker it is than a regular Vic Firth 5A, if at all.
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:22 PM
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I do recommend the 55A, but also the Extreme 5A from Vic Firth. Though I'm not sure how much thicker it is than a regular Vic Firth 5A, if at all.
I like them too, but I don't think they offer the 55A with a nylon tip, which is what kept me searching. I like and have use the Extreme 5A, but it's just a little longer, not thicker. So, I kept looking for the perfect nylon tip stick. I went back to the 5B nylon and tried a pair of Zildjians that I'm still using in the studio, and I use a pair of Vater fusion with the Garage kit. I'm all over the place with sticks now.

But I went to the store and got a pair of Regal tip 5AX nylon, and I think they are just right. They are thicker than any other 5A stick, plus they have the extra length and the coating helps keep the stick from flying out of my hand. I got a pair of Promark 747 nylon at the same time. I did a side by side comparison and the Regals just felt better. So I gave the Promarks to a friend for a birthday present.

With wood tip sticks I have different issues. I love the tip on the Steve Smith sig, but it's a little thin and light for me. Now if they can make a stick with the Steve Smith tip, a .580 dia. thickness, and a length of 16 1/4". I would have the perfect wood tip stick for me. Until they make that one, I'll stick with the Aaron Spears sig model.
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Old 04-14-2014, 01:29 AM
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I like them too, but I don't think they offer the 55A with a nylon tip, which is what kept me searching. I like and have use the Extreme 5A, but it's just a little longer, not thicker. So, I kept looking for the perfect nylon tip stick. I went back to the 5B nylon and tried a pair of Zildjians that I'm still using in the studio, and I use a pair of Vater fusion with the Garage kit. I'm all over the place with sticks now.

But I went to the store and got a pair of Regal tip 5AX nylon, and I think they are just right. They are thicker than any other 5A stick, plus they have the extra length and the coating helps keep the stick from flying out of my hand. I got a pair of Promark 747 nylon at the same time. I did a side by side comparison and the Regals just felt better. So I gave the Promarks to a friend for a birthday present.

With wood tip sticks I have different issues. I love the tip on the Steve Smith sig, but it's a little thin and light for me. Now if they can make a stick with the Steve Smith tip, a .580 dia. thickness, and a length of 16 1/4". I would have the perfect wood tip stick for me. Until they make that one, I'll stick with the Aaron Spears sig model.
Interesting. I don't have a "go to" stick, use a variety..but I do find the Steve Gadd nylons are very comfortable for world, jazz and blues stuff..but not a big nylon tip guy.

To the OP, I believe Jojo Mayer's sticks between a 5A and 5B? I think he referred to them as a "beefy 5A" but a bit shorter. I like them quite a bit, have a few pairs in rotation.
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Old 04-15-2014, 02:41 PM
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Every manufacturer seems to gauge their sticks differently but I also prefer a 5A/5B width as well. Some of the sticks I have felt good playing:

Vic Firth JoJo Mayer signature
Vic Firth Lenny White signature
Vic Firth Peter Erskine 'Ride Stick' signature
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Personally I had the same problem. I was switching back and forth until I put Tennis racket overgrip on my stick. They grip better doesn't fatigue my hads like the 5b but is bigger then 5a
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:37 PM
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I like a stick within the .555" range but the usual 5A sticks feel too light for me. What works for me currently is the Vic Firth Steve Smith Signature stick and the Vic Firth Keith Carlock stick.
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I agree with the Regal-Tip 5AX, Regal-Tip sticks are just a great playing stick I switched to the 5BX from Vator 3A's because of the playability and a 7A Regal Tip's are a great side click stick or for playing at low volumes.

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5A too thin, 5B too thick...

anything in between you know of?

Sticks are sized in thousandths of an inch - .xxx (.550 or .580, for example).

Different manufacturers use different namings for various sizes.
One's 5A can be closer to another's 5B, and so on.
Even within a specific brand and type there can be small variations.
Best bet is to just go by what feels best for you.

Or if you absolutely have to have a specific size, bring a dial calipers with you to measure them when you buy them.
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Old 06-18-2014, 10:30 PM
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I'll 3rd the Vater 5As (my stick of choice). I tried VF 5As not long ago and they felt like balsa wood in comparison.

When the Vater 5As are feeling a little light, I go to Vater 7A butt-ends instead of 5Bs.

Perhaps I should try VF 5Bs ...
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Go with the 5B. Learn to like it. If you fall in love with some exotic stick model they'll be expensive and hard to get. Learn to use something standard and you'll always have it available.
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Vic Firth 55A is exactly in between the 5A and 5B in the American classic sticks

5A .565
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Go with the 5B. Learn to like it. If you fall in love with some exotic stick model they'll be expensive and hard to get. Learn to use something standard and you'll always have it available.
That there is some sage advice. Truth!

5B are like the industry standard and priced as such. I do use them but I also have some others that I like but when they break they won't be replaced.

Try the Vic Firth Corpsman MS3 for a while... then everything will be smaller.

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Old 06-23-2014, 05:10 AM
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Regal Tip 5A (Thicker than other brand's 5A)
.580" x 16"
+1. You beat me to it.

The Vic Firth Peter Ersking Big Band stick was designed as a cross between a 5A and a 5B.
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