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Old 03-21-2014, 04:43 PM
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I appreciate you reading this, if you did.

Have a great one, work hard, jam hard, and have fun!

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Hey Casey,
I read every word of it and to put it simply...you're awesome. You even respond well to criticism. I'm a big advocate of hard work, and I can tell, through many different observations, that you are a very hard worker. That value of hard work not only shows through your videos and YT channel, but also through your forum post.

Keep on jamming. You are an awesome drummer and you truly inspire me to become the best drummer that I can be.

Thanks for taking the time to stop by the thread!
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Old 03-21-2014, 06:49 PM
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You look at me and my "success" as "cutting the queue," when it's the exact opposite of that. I don't believe you give me anywhere near the credit for what I have accomplished and the work I've put in. If a new recruit came into your job, took a similar job to you for WAY less money (if you divided my ad revenue from YouTube by the amount of hours I've worked to build my channel, I would be making about 10 cents an hour), and proceeded to work 16 hours a day almost everyday for a couple of years, would you say he is undeserving of the fruits of his labor just because he is younger or new?

Now I understand you probably have no idea what goes into creating a YouTube channel like mine, but in less than 3 years I have created over 500 videos, almost exclusively by myself (recording, mixing, editing, uploading, responding, etc etc etc) all while over the spring/summer/fall working 80+ hours a week at Turner Field to earn the money to pay for the gear I use in my videos and going to school and performing with Georgia State's marching band and basketball band. That has translated to way too many days where I get to sleep at 5 or 6am and wake back up at 8 or 9am to get started again. I'm not saying I'm, the only person who works their tail end off, but I am saying that if you think I haven't worked for what I've achieved and that I've cheated the system, you're off on that. Getting lucky is the only way to cheat the system. There's no substitute for hard work.
I'd rather see you doing something creative and your "own" rather than watching another cover drummer on YouTube. Use your talent to create, not replicate.
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:31 PM
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I'd rather see you doing something creative and your "own" rather than watching another cover drummer on YouTube. Use your talent to create, not replicate.
Musicians aren't required to create in order to be valid as musicians, or to have a career in music, or to just have a good time. Each player has their own particular goals for what they do with their instrument, and concepts of success also vary. I replicate parts, have a successful career and enjoy respect from my peers, and have a blast. I do very little notable creating and have almost no personal exposure on YouTube, but most people regard me as being successful (and I'll admit that I've achieved everything I ever wanted, and more.)

What that means is, people have different levels of success doing different things. Casey does well at the YouTube level, where I probably would not (if I decided to promote my playing that way.) But I also have a long career, built in the traditional way, and also a 35-year head start on Casey. Only time will tell if he will do the same, given his start with YouTube on his resumè.

Actually, I started a thread a while back about what (if anything) becomes of YouTube Drummers, and how they regard any success with getting views. Again, time will tell.

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Old 03-21-2014, 10:43 PM
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Exactly where did it get him? Apart from revenues from the ads that are allowed to run in their entirety, is he known beyond YouTube? Is he gigging? Does he have a career drumming as a result of the views?

Or maybe I'm the one who's been doing this all wrong, getting paid to play with other musicians in front of live audiences... what a chump I am. :(

j/k of course, but I wouldn't trade all the fame on YouTube for whatever it is I've achieved in real life.

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Yeah Bermuda - what the heck are we doing playing for money in front of people? That's just crazy talk! Actually having to suit up and go be perfect while on stage is just certifiable!
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:55 PM
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Yeah Bermuda - what the heck are we doing playing for money in front of people? That's just crazy talk! Actually having to suit up and go be perfect while on stage is just certifiable!
As they say, if there was a way to stay home and make the same money, we'd be doing it!

Has Casey found a way? I forget if there are ads on his videos, but do they add up to anything? My understanding is that an ad must run all the way through before it counts as a "click". I believe every time we hit "skip ad" after 5 seconds, that person gets nothing.

But yeah, how nice it would be to save gas, parking costs, wear & tear on the vehicle and drums, sticks & heads...

Not much future in that though.

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Old 03-21-2014, 11:03 PM
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As they say, if there was a way to stay home and make the same money, we'd be doing it!

Has Casey found a way? I forget if there are ads on his videos, but do they add up to anything? My understanding is that an ad must run all the way through before it counts as a "click". I believe every time we hit "skip ad" after 5 seconds, that person gets nothing.

But yeah, how nice it would be to save gas, parking costs, wear & tear on the vehicle and drums, sticks & heads...

Not much future in that though.

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Old 03-22-2014, 12:16 AM
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YouTube was also responsible for the discovery of Justin Bieber.

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Old 03-22-2014, 01:54 AM
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Yeah Bermuda - what the heck are we doing playing for money in front of people? That's just crazy talk! Actually having to suit up and go be perfect while on stage is just certifiable!
It's funny that you say that with so much sarcasm and disdain, when the difference between what I do and what you do is that I get paid to play live in front of people AND I get paid to make videos on YouTube, not to mention I am creating an entire brand for myself, and generating a base of people from all around the world that come out to check out different events that I play at. Marketing yourself in as many markets as possible is a key to success and is just good business sense. You may not see yourself as a business or feel you have to do any sort of work outside of just playing (and some people never do have to), but that's the reason many many many bands and people WAY more technically talented than I am, will never make it anywhere in music. It doesn't come to you, you have to go out there and get it and work for it.
This concept also applies to the person who was asking why it makes sense that Virgil Donati has so few subscribers compared to me. Virgil Donati is an absolutely incredible player and I won't be at that level anytime soon, if ever. My goal as a drummer isn't to be the most technically talented, I just want to have the most fun and entertain people. But the difference between me and him and why our social networks are so much different in size is because he only thinks about the drums. No matter how good you are, things like YouTube don't build themselves. If you don't do the work and you don't have an agent or manager or publicist doing the work for you, either, then it's not going to really go anywhere.

Since it seems to be a general dark area for anyone not involved in YouTube and I like to share what I've learned in hopes it helps others, here is a little bit about the ad side of things. There are many, many people making 6 and even 7 figure salaries a year on YouTube. I would be one of the 6 figure earners if not for a slight complication in being a music channel and the copyright issues involved with that. This is explained below:
As I stated before, the overall hours of work I've put into my channel since the beginning results in an average hourly payment of something very small, but now that I'm getting over 4 and a half million hits a month, the pay for my work is much more reasonable. If it wanted to, I could actually be making quite a large amount from YouTube, but I care more about my audience than I do money. I would be making around 12-15,000 a month if I received all of my ad revenue (Each million views is around 3-4000) , but due to the fact that I play to a lot of copyrighted tracks for my viewers entertainment instead of milking them for ad revenue with nonstop video reviews, "lessons," and other videos I own all the rights to, the majority of that goes to the record labels that own the music.
Not to mention I could be like a lot of other YouTubers in the different industries and use and promote products I don't truly believe in for monetary gain, but I don't believe in that. I could also participate in gorilla ad campaigns that pay much, much higher dividends, but I don't believe in that either, even though those aren't that bad since I'm providing people entertainment for completely free, all they have to do is watch an ad or listen to me talk about a product, it still bugs me.
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Old 03-22-2014, 02:21 AM
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Honestly, after I saw him on YouTube, I was inspired to start playing the drums. He is the best YouTube drummer. Also, if he hasn't all ready, he WILL be discovered by someone big because of YouTube.
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Old 03-22-2014, 03:17 AM
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Give the lad a break. He's still studying (it seems).

If he still only makes covers and not make any music of his own after he finishes, then something's wrong with his musical pursuits...Unless he doesn't intend to go into a full-time musical career after his graduation.
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Old 03-22-2014, 04:58 AM
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It's funny that you say that with so much sarcasm and disdain, when the difference between what I do and what you do is that I get paid to play live in front of people AND I get paid to make videos on YouTube, not to mention I am creating an entire brand for myself, and generating a base of people from all around the world that come out to check out different events that I play at. Marketing yourself in as many markets as possible is a key to success and is just good business sense. You may not see yourself as a business or feel you have to do any sort of work outside of just playing (and some people never do have to), but that's the reason many many many bands and people WAY more technically talented than I am, will never make it anywhere in music. It doesn't come to you, you have to go out there and get it and work for it.
Struck a chord there, did I?

Look man, I didn't say "you suck" or even hinted that there's no chance that you'd get anywhere. If you believe in what you're doing, than what do you care what we believe? Build your brand and get on with it. What I'm finding hard to believe is that you're not into it to be the best drummer you can be, but you want to entertain and have a good time. That kinda' insults the people who worked really hard to be really good that ended up entertaining and having a good time. There's a saying after you've been studying for almost all of your life that you learn and learn and learn, and when it comes time to perform, you forget all that and entertain.

There are countless numbers of us who went to college, studied for hours every day, learned how to sight read, and basically prepared ourselves so much that when the phone rang, we can deliver and eventually break in to being a working musician. Those countless people know so much but it's all covered up by the work they do working in a cover band playing weddings or in a club. If you're not striving to be technically saavy enough for a contractor to call on you to do some work, what is it exactly that you're doing?

Do I hire you to play on my next record, or do I hire you to plan the after party? I'm confused.

So I'm sorry, I guess that's what I think of Casey Cooper. Confusion. I'm not seeing good enough playing to say "I could use that guy to sub for me on a gig I can't make" but he's playing drums and building his brand of entertaining and having a good time. Do I hire you for a good time? That's where I'm confused. If you're not interested in being the best drummer you can be (or should be to compete with everyone else), you've kinda' crossed yourself off of people's lists who may need a drummer in the future. No one is going to hire anyone who doesn't care enough to be the best player they can be.

Maybe I'm just a jaded L.A. musician where everyone I meet here is so well-studied and ready to do anything to get their careers started, I'm not prepared to take a young person seriously who is already saying they'll never be close to a Virgil Donati so they're not even going to try. Even Walk Disney himself said his key to success was to surround himself with the best people he could find in all the areas he needed - and look where he ended up ;)

Good luck, buddy.
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Old 03-22-2014, 06:12 AM
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Struck a chord there, did I?

Look man, I didn't say "you suck" or even hinted that there's no chance that you'd get anywhere. If you believe in what you're doing, than what do you care what we believe? Build your brand and get on with it. What I'm finding hard to believe is that you're not into it to be the best drummer you can be, but you want to entertain and have a good time. That kinda' insults the people who worked really hard to be really good that ended up entertaining and having a good time. There's a saying after you've been studying for almost all of your life that you learn and learn and learn, and when it comes time to perform, you forget all that and entertain.

There are countless numbers of us who went to college, studied for hours every day, learned how to sight read, and basically prepared ourselves so much that when the phone rang, we can deliver and eventually break in to being a working musician. Those countless people know so much but it's all covered up by the work they do working in a cover band playing weddings or in a club. If you're not striving to be technically saavy enough for a contractor to call on you to do some work, what is it exactly that you're doing?

Do I hire you to play on my next record, or do I hire you to plan the after party? I'm confused.

So I'm sorry, I guess that's what I think of Casey Cooper. Confusion. I'm not seeing good enough playing to say "I could use that guy to sub for me on a gig I can't make" but he's playing drums and building his brand of entertaining and having a good time. Do I hire you for a good time? That's where I'm confused. If you're not interested in being the best drummer you can be (or should be to compete with everyone else), you've kinda' crossed yourself off of people's lists who may need a drummer in the future. No one is going to hire anyone who doesn't care enough to be the best player they can be.

Maybe I'm just a jaded L.A. musician where everyone I meet here is so well-studied and ready to do anything to get their careers started, I'm not prepared to take a young person seriously who is already saying they'll never be close to a Virgil Donati so they're not even going to try. Even Walk Disney himself said his key to success was to surround himself with the best people he could find in all the areas he needed - and look where he ended up ;)

Good luck, buddy.
Naah, now you've gone and mixed up my words to try and take what I said and make me look bad for it. And I know I should just not respond because you're obviously just looking for something to bring me down with, but maybe I'll try one more time and you'll get it. And I don't really care what you believe and what I say probably isn't going to change your mind because you don't want it changed, but you're obviously looking for a reaction and a discussion, so I'm having one with you.

I in no way said that just because I'm not Virgil that I'm not gonna better myself.
I'd say that 99.9% of all gigging drummers and most of the biggest names in the drum industry aren't Virgil or Mike Mangini level technically gifted. You don't need those kind of chops for most gigs and you know that and yet you're trying to put me down for saying I'm not striving to be Virgil? Sitting down behind a kit and playing the most complex thing I can think of doesn't make me nor 99% of the general public excited. It only makes the 1% of the world who enjoy crazy technical drumming excited. No one hired Dave Grohl for Nirvana because he was could play 32nd notes at 220bpm or some trivial technicality like that. They made great music because they entertained and the way they played spoke to people. It wasn't technically difficult, but it was powerful. And no, I'm not saying I'm Dave Grohl, I'm just saying your Virgil comments are completely missing the point of what music is to people and what you have to be to be successful in the music industry.

But anyway, if you want to come up with some sort of counter to that, that's fine, but there are quite a few names on the list of most well known drummers who Virgil would play circles around and that's exactly what I'm saying.
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Old 03-22-2014, 07:10 AM
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Casey said he didn't want to be "the most technically talented", not that he didn't want to be the "best player he can be". If something under the "best player" level for Casey is enough for him, then it's... well, enough, and that is his decision. :)

Though don't get me started on the 99% extremism in his reply there...
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Casey said he didn't want to be "the most technically talented", not that he didn't want to be the "best player he can be". If something under the "best player" level for Casey is enough for him, then it's... well, enough, and that is his decision. :)

Though don't get me started on the 99% extremism in his reply there...
haha yeah, I was just having a little fun with the numbers there since I've got no actual data to refer to.
But thanks for actually understanding what I'm saying and not trying to turn my words around just because it isn't my ultimate goal to be the most technically talented drummer in the world.

Every time I get behind a kit, I give it my all and put in 100% in an attempt to be the best I can be, and I think that shows by the way people react after they see me play live. Of course every one who can sit behind a computer and wants to scrutinize will click replay will scrutinize, but after I get done playing live I've never had someone say anything other than how much they loved watching me jam and that I was tearing up the skins. And that's not because I'm more technically talented than the next drummer, in fact the last gig I was at, there was a 40 year percussion veteran band director in the other school's pep band who had chops for days, but I play with an intensity, energy, passion and love for what I do and I give it my all to be my best and that strikes a chord with people and it's hard to match.

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People are different. I guess I'm one of those who doesn't take a lot with me watching your videos. In fact, I've checked just a few and never made it through an entire video - I'd have to stop after, say, 20 seconds or click a few times to see that it doesn't get any different than my first impression was. So my (subjective) reply on the original thread question is: Basically not much. As for the why: Your playing looks so showy to me. Maybe you're having fun indeed and the way you look when playing is perfectly natural but to me, it isn't. So I'm wondering _why_ people might put excessive motion into their playing while _musically_, there's zero need for it. To make it look "cooler"? Then let me prefer the less cool version. The difference in look won't show when listening to an album on CD.
(My dislike for excessive motions might stem from my track & field activity in my youth. You don't waste motions if they have no effect. And now, having started drums, my motional role model is more on the Bill Bachman than on [insert a showy drummer] side. There are correct/effective motions and anything else is what I personally don't care for.)

Why would anybody create some 500 videos? Imagine you created 100 - which is an unbelievably high number already - and spent the time you would have saved on forstering your progress in terms of expression, touch, expanding your knowledge of and skills in various music genres.

As for "intensity, energy, passion and love"...
I guess 100% of the members of this forum have passion and love for drums.
Intensity/energy is a quality that can manifest itself in various ways. It doesn't necessarily show by how hard you can hit a drum head or cymbal. By hitting drums _softly_ one can create an enormous _musical_ intensity/energy - provided the listener is mature/experienced enough to grasp this. While others would say the opposite: He's lacking intensity/energy - his strokes have no power...

Then there's that copycat/cover musician vs. being an original musician thing. I prefer the latter.

I do appreciate you having taken the time to join this thread. And honestly, I was surprised by the maturity of your initial replies. So thanks for that.
Good luck on your way.

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And with this post it seems we have reached an obvious end to maturity. I like the added quote in there though, it's quite comical, but unfortunately it does nothing to add to what was decent discussion. It's just unfortunate that on forums like these with anonymity, people lose sight of the good that these forums could be.

I feel like as usual nothing that is said will be taken seriously by those who have preconceived notions and an agenda to fulfill, so I don't see my continued replies to be worth anything to you guys. Feel free to go back to scrutinizing what I do, and I will go back to doing what I do (with the addition of working on a few constructive concepts provided by actual helpful members of the forum).

Although I'm sure this statement won't go over well with certain members, It's something I tell a lot of my viewers and maybe it will be a positive addition to some of your lives.

The more time you spend worrying and debating other's decisions and success, is less time spent achieving your own. You may not agree with it, and that's ok, but rather than fight it, do what makes YOU happy and go after your own success. That is certainly what I will be doing.

For those of you who are positive members, thanks for taking the time to leave constructive criticism and I appreciate the comments and messages I have received in my short time on this forum.

I wish everyone well and good luck with your drumming!
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Old 03-22-2014, 10:32 PM
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Most of the credibility earned from you-tube internet drummers was gone years ago in my eyes; given that views, associated attention/ hysteria can be so easily exploited by amateurs with lots of time on their hands and a little cash to spend.

I always point to "machine gun smith". 'nuff said. LOL
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Machine Gun Smith? Who's... oh, heh. :)

Hey Cobus!

Oh.

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Naah, now you've gone and mixed up my words to try and take what I said and make me look bad for it. And I know I should just not respond because you're obviously just looking for something to bring me down with, but maybe I'll try one more time and you'll get it. And I don't really care what you believe and what I say probably isn't going to change your mind because you don't want it changed, but you're obviously looking for a reaction and a discussion, so I'm having one with you.

I in no way said that just because I'm not Virgil that I'm not gonna better myself.
I'd say that 99.9% of all gigging drummers and most of the biggest names in the drum industry aren't Virgil or Mike Mangini level technically gifted. You don't need those kind of chops for most gigs and you know that and yet you're trying to put me down for saying I'm not striving to be Virgil? Sitting down behind a kit and playing the most complex thing I can think of doesn't make me nor 99% of the general public excited. It only makes the 1% of the world who enjoy crazy technical drumming excited. No one hired Dave Grohl for Nirvana because he was could play 32nd notes at 220bpm or some trivial technicality like that. They made great music because they entertained and the way they played spoke to people. It wasn't technically difficult, but it was powerful. And no, I'm not saying I'm Dave Grohl, I'm just saying your Virgil comments are completely missing the point of what music is to people and what you have to be to be successful in the music industry.

But anyway, if you want to come up with some sort of counter to that, that's fine, but there are quite a few names on the list of most well known drummers who Virgil would play circles around and that's exactly what I'm saying.

Hey man, we're not having a discussion here. You obviously know what you're doing. I was just saying I'm confused by your statement that you want to be performing and entertaining. Because in my world, when people are looking for drummers to work, they're looking for people who are actually good first. The entertaining part is a by-product of being good. I'm not going to send a sub based on his entertainment value - he has to be a player first. Your statement to me was that you're not into being a player, you want to be entertaining. So you get to book the after-party for the musicians playing on the bandstand.

That's all I'm saying. We're not talking about the same things so I couldn't possibly bring you down. Bringing you down is when I say "Two notes is two notes, man", after you say you were fired from a gig for missing two notes. If you want to be a player, I need you to be able to nail all the notes, right?
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Old 03-22-2014, 11:46 PM
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It was fun seeing you here Casey. I heard this from a teacher before: "Attitude is a small thing that makes a huge difference." He definetely has the right attitude. I walk in to my band class everyday happy to play and learn. You guys may have more "experience" than him, but he also has tons of positive exposure. I think no matter whatever he does, you guys will continue to critique him. I learned how to drum from watching covers and I can also sight read music too. I think you can have fun and play to fun, catchy music; and buckle down and read charts also. There's a happy medium. You guys say that he should try to make original music. Cobus does covers and is in a band. However, it took months to find the right people and make the music. Its very hard. Casey, I hope you continue to contribute on this forum. Keep inspiring.
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this is so strange! i was just watching a load of your videos then i came on here and i just saw "what do you think of casey…" in the most recent post of general discussion and i thought id tell you that you are my favourite youtube drummer, mainly because you just seem like a normal person making these videos, cobus, luke holland etc seem like they are all professional in their own studios like with cobus and the 30 seconds to mars song on top of a cliff.

what i would give to be an endorsee for pearl and zildjian! you are actually what got me to start drumming again. i stopped for a few years and then came across your videos and inspired me to start again
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I am not a fan of CC, but there seems to be a lot of unnecessary smugness from the "experienced drummers" in this thread.
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Endorser of... not endorsee.
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but there seems to be a lot of unnecessary smugness from the "experienced drummers" in this thread.
Yeah...... I think some people may be jelly..... lol
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All technical drumming points and ability aside, I think what Casey does to inspire people to start drumming is great. However, IMHO, Casey seems interested in creating his brand and an entertainment package, which is fine. That's what a lot of successful entertainers do/have to do to build their careers and get exposure. But, artistically that does nothing for me and worries me that young up and comers are starting for the wrong reasons. I hope they get started and get inspired by others and get pointed in the right direction, not that there's anything wrong with entertaining but there is more to this art. I think there is a difference between a musician and an entertainer and when one appears to spend as much time preparing themselves to entertain they are taking time away from being a musician. Im not saying Casey is not a musician either, Im just saying there is a line somewhere.

I am a nobody in the world of music and an average drummer at best. Im just a guy with a love for music and I turned that into a hobby of writing and recording. I give Casey tons of respect for the amount of work that he has put into his thing and he deserves to be successful. Its just not my cup of tea.
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Hey man, we're not having a discussion here. You obviously know what you're doing. I was just saying I'm confused by your statement that you want to be performing and entertaining. Because in my world, when people are looking for drummers to work, they're looking for people who are actually good first. The entertaining part is a by-product of being good. I'm not going to send a sub based on his entertainment value - he has to be a player first. Your statement to me was that you're not into being a player, you want to be entertaining. So you get to book the after-party for the musicians playing on the bandstand.

That's all I'm saying. We're not talking about the same things so I couldn't possibly bring you down. Bringing you down is when I say "Two notes is two notes, man", after you say you were fired from a gig for missing two notes. If you want to be a player, I need you to be able to nail all the notes, right?
You seem to be making a little progress on understanding, BUT, the most important part of this is not whether YOU understand, it's about anyone else reading this thread, so this is very important that it is expressed:

The most important point of my mentality/attitude that you keep trying to bury, that I want to be very apparent for anyone else reading this thread, is that contrary to what you're trying to make it seem like, I am working on being a better and better and awesome player and working on being the best drummer I can be. Literally the thing you keep holding against me is your lack of pulling the actual meaning from words that are blatantly obvious. I never said I didn't want to be a great player/drummer. I just said "My goal as a drummer isn't to be the MOST technically talented." (keyword MOST) There is a huge difference between being a killer player and being the "MOST technically talented" in the world.

For anyone reading this, I am not in the least bit suggesting that you shouldn't work to be the best you can be, you should strive for nothing less, BUT the best you can be doesn't necessarily have to be the absolute most technical player on the planet, seeing as how only one person can hold that position at a time, that makes it just about downright impossible for everyone to be that. You need to strive to be as technically talented a player that makes YOU happy and allows you every opportunity that you wish to be awarded. In the end the more chops you have, the better, but don't let it get to you if someone who can't play as well as Virgil or Mangini is getting on your case about you not being able to play as well as Virgil or Mangini. Not everyone is striving for a gig with Dream Theatre or something of the sort.

Hope that helps to clear up the fog that our friend Bo Eder here is trying so hard to cast on my attitude.

And Charlie Juson, I'm glad you're back on the kit, my friend! Make sure you stick around, cause life behind the kit is a lot of fun :)

And thanks a lot for the support, Emmaticus00 (Emma?) Keep having fun and playing and it sounds like you're definitely headed towards being a great drummer :)

Keep jammin!

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Endorser-endorsee is not a grammar issue, it's a definition issue.

As such, please refer to Porter - and me - as a Definition Nazi.

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Great tidbit for the up-and-coming youtube drummer generation.

http://boostlikes.com/blog/2013/08/b...hical-whitehat

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Great tidbit for the up-and-coming youtube drummer generation.

http://boostlikes.com/blog/2013/08/b...hical-whitehat

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Thanks for the share, Brian. While promotion in the form of advertising can be a good thing, I really would stray away from paying for advertisement on Facebook. Almost all paid advertising on Facebook results in "likes" but not valuable likes that actually interact with your posts. In fact the corruption and fraud in Facebook advertising goes so deep that even if you don't pay for fake likes or advertising, your Facebook pages can receive them anyway from people who are paid to like things, but like other pages in order to hide their real task of liking a specific one so they don't get caught.

I've only brushed the surface of a response, but this video covers the subject with some in depth research, very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag

Hope this sheds some light on that as well.

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you'd be hard pressed to find someone who has worked harder on his career/exposure/network etc than myself.
That's the problem. You are spending so much time creating videos that you have no time to work on the craft of actually playing the drums. Why does everyone feel the need to deluge the Internet with mediocrity?
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That's the problem. You are spending so much time creating videos that you have no time to work on the craft of actually playing the drums. Why does everyone feel the need to deluge the Internet with mediocrity?
Xactly. How does being super duper busy constantly creating videos relate to "becoming the best drummer you can be"? (Which, in my book, would rather relate to _physically_ working on becoming a better drummer/musician, not spitting out YouTube videos.) Out of those 16 hours per day, how many hours are actually spent on "becoming the best drummer you can be"? How much is lighting, video shooting, editing, all that periphery stuff? Are you practicing 16 hours or working 16 hours on your brand?

What I forgot to mention in my previous post when I said I don't care for copycats is that the drummers who 'made it' are getting gigs/engagements/recording projects because they have some uniqueness - _if_ people want that. So a Steve Gadd is supposed to bring some element of Gadd into whatever project he's involved. What could you bring into a project? Did you actually have enough time to develop something that could be labeled a style of your own or at least some traces of uniqueness? Serial production vs. individualism.
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Xactly. How does being super duper busy constantly creating videos relate to "becoming the best drummer you can be"? (Which, in my book, would rather relate to _physically_ working on becoming a better drummer/musician, not spitting out YouTube videos.) Out of those 16 hours per day, how many hours are actually spent on "becoming the best drummer you can be"? How much is lighting, video shooting, editing, all that periphery stuff? Are you practicing 16 hours or working 16 hours on your brand?

What I forgot to mention in my previous post when I said I don't care for copycats is that the drummers who 'made it' are getting gigs/engagements/recording projects because they have some uniqueness - _if_ people want that. So a Steve Gadd is supposed to bring some element of Gadd into whatever project he's involved. What could you bring into a project? Did you actually have enough time to develop something that could be labeled a style of your own or at least some traces of uniqueness? Serial production vs. individualism.
I'm so sick of you guys completely dog piling on him. There is absolutely no reason to completely hate about him not being a true "musician". Everytime he plays something, he puts a little bit of Cooper in it. Maybe he likes playing along to musicians; I do that myself. However, that does not make him any less of a musician. Covers are half of his channel. The other half is him playing in Georgia State University's band. You don't see him staring at sheet music completely copying the original guy. He adds to it and makes it his own. He does gigs and I can pretty much guarantee that he practices rudiments and others, like a true "musician."

This is the definition of a musician:
A musician (or instrumentalist) is a person who is talented in making music or performing music creatively, or one who composes, conducts, or performs music.

Lets see: he's a person who is talented (check). He performs creatively (check). I think he's a musician.

Accept it people, you just might have been proved wrong.

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I just got all argumentative essay on ya' guys. ;)
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I think some people need to learn to read, or to read more carefully.

If I wanted to say that drummer x is not a musician then guess what, I'd do so. But I didn't. And I don't need quotes from encyclopedias on what a drummer is.

But what if drummer x - while being a 'musician' - is an _uninteresting_ drummer or one lacking _uniqueness_? (Subjective of course.)

You said it yourself - _you_ think he's a musician. Congrats.
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I'm so sick of you guys completely dog piling on him. There is absolutely no reason to completely hate about him not being a true "musician".
A number of members sharing the same observations and conclusions isn't dog-piling.

And I don't think anyone suggested he's not a true musician. I believe the questions are about the validity and viability of a YouTube Drummer (or any other player) in a world where being a working musician normally requires a studio performance with other musicians.

I raised this question in a thread a while back, and I think the consensus was that YouTube drummers are valid... on YouTube. It's different than real-life, with its own audience, rewards, limitations, and potential for criticism.

As I said in an earlier post, I wouldn't trade YouTube fame for what I've accomplished in the real world with live musicians, playing in front of live audiences.

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I'm so sick of you guys completely dog piling on him.

Accept it people, you just might have been proved wrong.

Haters gonna hate.
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I just got all argumentative essay on ya' guys. ;)
There is no 'wrong' here. A drummer can do whatever s/he pleases, and no drummer needs to defend at all what s/he does. I'm guessing you're younger, but one doesn't need DW praise ( or youtube 'likes') or anything else on the internet to validate yourself. Now...if you want advice or opinions, then you're at the right stop. But what you do with that info is your prerogative.

Haters? I'm not sure what you classify as 'haters'. Are they people with ability to analyze and hold two opposing ideas or views in their brains, and weigh the pros and cons, or speak about them? These are 'debaters' - People arguing the pros/cons of being a youtube drummer...of using youtube...or of Evans vs. Remo heads. Relax.
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A number of members sharing the same observations and conclusions isn't dog-piling.

And I don't think anyone suggested he's not a true musician. I believe the questions are about the validity and viability of a YouTube Drummer (or any other player) in a world where being a working musician normally requires a studio performance with other musicians.

I raised this question in a thread a while back, and I think the consensus was that YouTube drummers are valid... on YouTube. It's different than real-life, with its own audience, rewards, limitations, and potential for criticism.

As I said in an earlier post, I wouldn't trade YouTube fame for what I've accomplished in the real world with live musicians, playing in front of live audiences.

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As I said in an earlier post, I wouldn't trade YouTube fame for what I've accomplished in the real world with live musicians, playing in front of live audiences.
I agree. there's not a real substitute.
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Everyone is free to have their own opinions, their own ideas, and their own beliefs. Thankfully we have that freedom of beliefs and freedom of speech, it's great. The problem is that a lot of people don't want to accept anything other than what they believe as a possibility. I guess in the end it's not really a problem, because you're perfectly welcome to be that if that's the kind of person you are, it just limits the opportunities/relationships and definitely doesn't open a lot of doors for you, if you distance yourself from anyone who doesn't believe what you believe.

The reason people think you are "hating" or "dog piling" or whatever it can be called is because you don't accept anything other than what you believe to be right, as a possibility. And hey, like I said, it's perfectly fine, as others have stated you're not gonna make everyone happy and you don't have to have the approval of a DW member to do something in life. It's definitely not something I'm looking for before I make my next move or make a decision, BUT what is sad is when you guys try and find anything I (or anyone else for that matter) say to use against them, and when you find something you leap on it, but when you can't find anything "wrong" or anything to point out that you don't like, you just choose not to respond and ignore it. Once again, completely up to you guys, but if you can't bring yourselves to admit you might be off on something you said or that maybe you misunderstood, or maybe that there is something good out there besides what you have stubbornly decided is the only way, then don't expect for people not to look at you like you're a dog piling person on anything you don't believe in. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I've been the only one in this forum thread that has admitted I'm wrong about things, I'm not the best, I have a lot to work on, and that you guys are more knowledgeable and yet STILL it's like I'm talking to a brick wall that only responds when it sees a "weakness" in what I say. Not everyone does it, but there are a certain few who really make it blatantly obvious that they aren't gonna say anything unless they can use it to their advantage.

Anyway, that's just an outsider looking in, I guess.
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