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Old 02-21-2014, 01:29 PM
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Default New SB1 laser triggers for my Trick Dominators

After three months of waiting, my new Trick Dominator SB1 laser triggers finally arrived.



The company seems to have taken the negative publicity about the "ludicrous speed" stompbox that used to come with the trigger system in the right spirit. Out of the box, I got two separate SB1 tethers -- i.e. the wiring contraption for the laser trigger -- which I was informed is the new avatar of the product. Websites need to update it though (I bought from Guitarcenter). Suits me fine, except the requirement for a second wall wart, I would have been as happy with a single power supply and the ludicrous speed stomp.



Had to wait a while before installation, because I didn't have a manual unfortunately. Trick eventually sent me video demonstrating how to install the device.



An interesting thing: there have been a lot of complaints about play in the drive shaft of the Dominators. Because of space on either side of the linkage on the pedal, you're able to slide it toward the left and right, which is necessary because the new reflector fin/beater holder for the Dominator is much fatter than the original piece. As a result, things to the right get pushed further outward. At first, I thought the direct drive shaft was bent, but when I slid it a bit to the right, it straightened out. Interesting.




After I set it up, I had to tinker around with my module settings in order to get an appropriate response. But just judging by the flashing light, the trigger is very responsive. Unfortunately, I only received my package in the middle of the night and could install it this morning, so not much trial time.

Also, do expect my final review post on the Trick Dominator pedals in a couple of weeks, had them a year now and I have a few interesting findings.
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Old 02-21-2014, 06:34 PM
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Default Re: New SB1 laser triggers for my Trick Dominators

Hey man, those look sick. I've been wanting a pair of sb1s for awhile. As far as play in the drive shaft, I've experienced 0, though I know trick changed their shaft, I may have a different model.
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:02 AM
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Default Re: New SB1 laser triggers for my Trick Dominators

Thanks, risewiththefallen, they do look real sick, very well fabricated.

I wasn't mentioning play with the drive shaft, i.e.the rod connecting master and slave. I was talking about the direct drive linkage (connecting footboard to the rest of the assembly). If you look at the footboard end, there's a bit of space on either side of the link. I read a couple of reviews somewhere that since you could move that linkage a bit with your hand, it's "play".

I haven't noticed any side to side motion when I play though. It's very sturdy, even more so if you consider the fact that some pedals only come with a couple of bars as a "base plate". The Dominator has a plate, it's just latticed to keep costs lower.

I got really scared yesterday though. I was trying to set up my computer and suddenly my external hard disk crashed, with a "cyclic redundancy check" error. Can't get it to work and I have a lot of work and data backed up on it. I have no idea what caused it. Looked at the laser trigger a bit suspiciously though, All those circuits. Anything could be in there. Brrr.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:33 PM
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Oh the linkage. When i first got the pedals it worried me , but as you said ive never noticed anything while I play. Thats crazy your computer crashed. Hopefully it wasn't the triggers.
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Old 02-23-2014, 07:14 PM
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Default Re: New SB1 laser triggers for my Trick Dominators

Marvin the paranoid android. They're watching you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pLAX...ature=youtu.be

Please watch, I tried to put a good review. I'll try to show the triggers used in a more popular setting maybe later this week, still haven't worked out all the kinks. Sure is handy though.
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Old 09-03-2014, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: New SB1 laser triggers for my Trick Dominators

Just an update. One of the cables on my laser triggers failed. They cost $40 each. Ouch.

But when I wrote into Trick's Mike Dorfman to ask about what could be wrong, they immediately shipped one to me free of cost way out here in India because it was within warranty.

Needless to say, I'm speechless with happiness because living in a foreign country is often an excuse for a company to not back up it's product. Glad to say that's not true of Trick Drums. Great customer service, great product.
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Old 09-04-2014, 01:54 AM
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OHHHH man I am so jealous.

I you need to make a few vids of these.. been thinking about making the switch for a while.

went from axis with e-kits to my demons with my ddrum trigger now... the IDEA of the axis ekits is great.. but in reality I didn't like them.. having to adjust every gig was a pain to.


Do you do heel toe or doubles at all? if you do i want a video and let me know how they work.
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Old 09-04-2014, 03:36 AM
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I you need to make a few vids of these.. been thinking about making the switch for a while.
I'll second that motion. I did watch the vid you posted (and can see you heel-toeing along) but all we got was was the acoustic noise of the beaters striking the pad.
Any chance of a vid with the actual sounds coming out of the module?
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Old 09-04-2014, 02:39 PM
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I'd love to oblige, but my Fireface just suffered a nasty accident when a broadband repairman yanked my table, that resulted in my firewire cable getting yanked out and breaking and possibly damaging my firewire card too. Still trying to get it to work, new cables didn't work, hoping it's the card so I'll have to swap that out next.

If that doesn't work, I'm screwed, I don't know if I can afford another interface. Going to take another shot at it tonight and see if I can get it working, if so, I'm golden and I will definitely be back with a video to celebrate. Will record the audio in my DAW, triggering Superior.

The laser triggers are super nice. On my normal pads, I have to set the retrigger at 10 and the threshold at 20. With the SB-1s, I can go all the way down to 3 and an unimaginable 5, which would have earlier triggered the bass drum pad just due to the pressure of the drum head being in contact with the piezo. Super nice technology, I hope I can get my interface to work.
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Old 09-04-2014, 04:41 PM
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Just a FYI as a computer tech/ IT GUY

triggers have no way of crashing your computer.

a CRC is a hard drive error.

the ONLY way it could crash is if you have VERY bad power in your house and it was your module, into your preamp, then into your usb port and you had very bad grounding issues too.

but 99% of the time you should be using midi with E-drums and then its imposable.

either way. id blame a hdd LONG before a trigger.


best of luck fixing everything. sub'd on youtube.. these things rule
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Old 09-04-2014, 05:18 PM
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No no, not my module. My RME Fireface 800 interface was plugged into my computer when this guy yanked on my desk. The firewire cord was stuck too tight, pressure got applied and it literally flew out of the socket when he did that, breaking it. I've bought two Firewire 800 cables hoping the problem was the cable, but no cigar.

The good news is I tried my Fireface with an old firewire 400 card I had lying around and voila! It's working! So a really good day for me. I have to now get a new card, because the one I'm using is a Chinese no-name one that I had replaced because it choked bandwidth while recording.

Of course, my old firewire card is officially screwed. But I'll take that any day over a busted interface.

Haha, I like your explanation though, beyondbetrayal, you made me sound like some kind of moron that doesn't understand computers! I am quite familiar with PCs, having had the good fortune to have a second-hand IBM PC-JX way back in 1987. I also had computer science in high school, so I know a bit of C++, yadda yadda.

I shall have those videos for you guys as soon as I can, guys! Feeling really super 100% today, man, I needed this good news. Have been so worried that the interface was toast. Turns out that repair guy had a bad attitude. When I was tinkering around the back plugging in the firewire cable today, I found that he almost snapped my Cubase dongle. My mistake for letting riff-raff like that in, I guess.

EDIT: "Hello, customer support? The drinks holder on my PC snapped off."
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Old 09-05-2014, 03:38 PM
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"Oh the linkage. When i first got the pedals it worried me , but as you said ive never noticed anything while I play. That's crazy your computer crashed. Hopefully it wasn't the triggers."

that's why i explained it


Sorry. I wan't trying to make you look dumb lol. You know, you pretty much have to be good with computeres to start E-drumming. the amount of work to get VST's, DAW's, MIDI and everything to work has quite a learning curve.

Glad you got er sorted out... I'll be waiting for some video reviews with close up videos, multiple angles and some very fast playing :)

have a great day
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Old 09-06-2014, 01:46 PM
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Sorry. I wan't trying to make you look dumb lol.
Well now I feel silly. Didn't realise what post you were referring to, could have used a quote assist there, just scrolled up and saw that months old post. which was pretty much tongue in cheek. Yeah, that was an external hard disk crash.

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Glad you got er sorted out... I'll be waiting for some video reviews with close up videos, multiple angles and some very fast playing :)
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You have unrealistic expectations. I have no idea how those guys even do those multiple angle videos, I just have one webcam with a too short wire and video on my mobile always sounds like it's underwater. Would love to get a GoPro, but not enough disposable income. Will do my best to get better quality audio though, tried a basic recording with the cheap firewire card and everything was all over the place.
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Old 09-18-2014, 08:11 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cUo...ature=youtu.be

You wanted it you got it. Just a video of me jamming with my Dominators and their triggers at 200 bpm.

I wanted to do a lot more. But things were really tough and just when I thought things were getting better, my mom (who was on a visit), busted in and told me I was waking the neighbours. Oh well, at least it's multi-cam. Enjoy!
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:37 PM
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very nice... how have they been. any double triggers?


any issues if you rest your left pedal on the beater? (VERY bad habbit I have)


nice cymbals too!
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Old 10-13-2014, 06:46 PM
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Thanks, beyondbetrayal. It doesn't double trigger at all, but is responsive enough for that little small second hit when I play heel-toe, it's great. Doesn't work on the principle of hitting something, works when the motion stops, so it's not like you cross a laser beam and it cuts out, it "senses" when something in motion comes to a stop.

I'm still deciding whether I prefer the feel of the triggers when I'm using a constant or a higher-setting logarithmic velocity curve on my module, because I'm able to play softer strokes and it interprets them well.

I really wish I could do a better video than that last one, because everything is brilliant at band practice on an acoustic kit. Just when I sit down in front of the camera and have my evil computer on, things have a habit of going wrong. One of these days...
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