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Old 02-03-2014, 02:55 PM
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Some trivia. I was just rocking out behind my kit and I had a good line going and I started playing on my ride. I wasn't really looking at the stick but all of a sudden my ride changed pitch. I looked at the stick and the nylon tip was gone. I found one half one the floor but the other is gone. I play nylon tipped sticks because I hate when wood tips split. This is the first time this happened but it just pisses me off. Have you ever split a nylon tip?
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Old 02-03-2014, 03:04 PM
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This is why I a) dont play nylon tipped sticks and b) dont play Vater sticks. I played nylon for years but finally decided that it wasnt worth chucking otherwise good sticks because the tip fell off. Back when I was a poor musician a pair of sticks was a pretty big expense.

Now I chew through sticks like a buzzsaw so I never keep them long enough for the tips to split anyway. I guess I could get cheaper sticks, but I like how Vic's feel.
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Old 02-03-2014, 03:46 PM
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Wood tips sound better and vater wood tips are very strong, I would recommend staying with vater. I used to chip Vic firths but the vaters hold up.
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Old 02-03-2014, 04:39 PM
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That is why I stopped using nylon tips decades ago. I have been told that is a much more rare occurrence these days.

I am currently playing Pro-Marks but have always found Vaters to be extremely solid sticks.
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Old 02-03-2014, 04:43 PM
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I stopped for the same reason. although all of my wood sticks have partial acorns left after a short time and it bugs me. I almost switched to double butt ended sticks a month ago!
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Old 02-03-2014, 05:49 PM
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I'm not sure what the big deal is. Sticks break. Usually I chew through the stick before the tip ever breaks, but I've had tips break. Keep a broken stick handy, twist off the tip and then super glue it on the good stick.
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:30 PM
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Wood tips sound better and vater wood tips are very strong, I would recommend staying with vater. I used to chip Vic firths but the vaters hold up.
Well I'm only playing Vater or Promark now since I can't handle Vic's finish. And Vic's wood tips split like crazy on me. I think it is because you can really see the grains going straight through the tips.
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:36 PM
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I'm not sure what the big deal is. Sticks break. Usually I chew through the stick before the tip ever breaks, but I've had tips break. Keep a broken stick handy, twist off the tip and then super glue it on the good stick.
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I stopped for the same reason. although all of my wood sticks have partial acorns left after a short time and it bugs me. I almost switched to double butt ended sticks a month ago!
I've beaten the crap out of Promark nylon tips before and they have never come off or split on me. And if the the tip just would have fallen of I could have dealt with that but a plastic tip that splits? No way. And yes sticks break. Wood sticks either break because of rimshots or the tip splitting. My thought is that nylon tips eliminates one of those problems. All of my other wooden Vater sticks holds up longer than VF's so I'm either on the Vater train or the Promark train.
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:44 PM
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Consider this a one-time thing, then. I've heard of Pro-Mark tips splitting as well, and it's a rare occurrence too. If you like those sticks, try again- and if they break again, then maybe there's something more than a simple random probability. Alternatively, you could try to contact them and possibly get a replacement.
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I almost switched to double butt ended sticks a month ago!
Where can I find some like that? I've always been intrigued by the idea.
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:48 PM
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Consider this a one-time thing, then. I've heard of Pro-Mark tips splitting as well, and it's a rare occurrence too. If you like those sticks, try again- and if they break again, then maybe there's something more than a simple random probability. Alternatively, you could try to contact them and possibly get a replacement.
I was just so surprised that it even happened. And since I'm living in Sweden I don't think it is really worth the effort to replace a pair of 15$ sticks. I have three pairs of Nylon 5b's left and four pairs of wood tip Fatback 3a's so I'm not exactly crossing Vater of the list just from this.
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:10 PM
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Where can I find some like that? I've always been intrigued by the idea.
Look up the Vater Morgan Rose sticks. But be warned, if you are looking for something that will sound nice on your ride this is NOT the stick for you. But they sure do last a long time.
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:44 PM
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Same thing happened to me once, but they were a pair of Vi Firths. You got a dud, it sucks but it happens. Worst one I ever had was a Vic Firth 2B that split in half during the first song I played with it. I also switched to Vater sticks but I use wood tips.
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:15 PM
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I used to have this happen (back when I played nylon tips).
But only with Vater... It's the way they make their tips and glue them on.

If you want to use Nylon switch to Regal Tip, they invented the nylon tip stick, are the only company that doesn't use glue, and also it's not going to break or pop off.
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:32 PM
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I had been playing wood tips for years because I hated the sound of nylon tips, to each their own. but recently I switched to the regal tips nylon E-Tip and could not be happier. I have not had a problem at all. Those tips seam to be on their for good.
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:59 PM
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I had a nylon tip come off a Pro-Mark stick over twenty years ago, and never again since then. As another poster remarked, usually I rimshot the stick apart or the tip breaks off long before I do any real damage to a nylon tip.
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Old 02-03-2014, 09:35 PM
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I used to have this happen (back when I played nylon tips).
But only with Vater... It's the way they make their tips and glue them on.

If you want to use Nylon switch to Regal Tip, they invented the nylon tip stick, are the only company that doesn't use glue, and also it's not going to break or pop off.
Oh no. Back in the day I used to play VF's and every pair was straight. So when I bought a bunch of regal 5b nylon tip I didn't roll them. Bananas! And the nylon tip had a weird metalic sound to them on my ride cymbal. Didn't like the feel either. The finish was really nice though. Might give them another go sometime.
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:51 PM
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I do only play nylon tips for rehearsing, because I tend to destroy wood tips very quickly.

The tips always tend to fly away, that's why I take them off and put I fair amount of wood glue on them before I even start using them.

Having said all this, I quit using expensive sticks from known brands because I had bad experience with all of them.

Now I use some no name brand 12 pairs for 20 bucks, re-glue the tips on them and I am happy. Yes, they do break easier than their expensive counterparts, but for that price I don't care anymore. The cheap 12 pair pack will definitely last longer than 2 pairs for the same price.
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Old 02-04-2014, 01:39 AM
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I've split or popped the tips off of Zildjian, ProMark and Vic Firth sticks. By the time I found Vater, I had quit playing nylon tips. I've been happy with Vater since. They might shred, but they rarely break. They also feel lighter to me, which is good because I like thicker sticks.
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Old 02-04-2014, 10:48 AM
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My local drumshop only sold ProMark sticks, years ago. I played promarks with a nylon tip, either 5B's or 747 Rocks. I used to wait until I saw the tip break and fly across the room. Then I went to a variety of sticks, but all 2B and Hickory. I had some last a long time, some tore apart quick and I do not play hard, I play solid. Then I found out that some of the best sticks around were made by Vater. They had different company names stamped on them, but Vater was making them. Then Vater went on their own, with their own Name and I was all for it. Wrote them a letter about how solid their sticks were and they sent me 16 pairs of Hickory 2B's. Think I will be staying with them.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:27 AM
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Gave up on the nylons moons ago.Nothing worse than a like new stick and the head flies off.....
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Old 02-04-2014, 02:20 PM
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That is why I stopped using nylon tips decades ago. I have been told that is a much more rare occurrence these days.
I think I've had only one Vic nylon tip split in the last 11 years. I stay away from wood tips because they chip, and not just the Vics.

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I find for the life of nylon and the sound of wood, Regal Tip nylon are the perfect mix. They have a nylon segmented tip that has a bit of give to it so it's not as harsh as the full nylon. I have had no issues in 6 years
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Old 02-04-2014, 04:22 PM
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I play Vic Firth American Classic 5B wood tips, as I have for a while. I've never had a problem with chipping tips since I switched to these. I used to chip a lot of tips when I used generic sticks. Now, I rimshot them to death long before the tip takes any significant damage.

Plus, I hate how nylon tips sound on cymbals. Gross.
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Old 02-04-2014, 07:31 PM
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Plus, I hate how nylon tips sound on cymbals. Gross.
I dislike the way that nylon tips sound on drumheads...the plastic-on-plastic sound drives me mad.

IIRC nylon tips were originally invented to make cymbals sound a little brighter (at least that's what I was told).

For the record...I use VF American Classic 5A...no undue problems with them, aside from normal wear-and-tear.
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Old 02-05-2014, 03:49 AM
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Vater guarantees their Nylon tips for the life of the stick. Here's a quote from their website…"Vater's Nylon tips are guaranteed not to fall off, crack or break for the performance life span of the drumstick." Maybe other stick companies have the same guarantee, I don't know. I assume breaking a nylon tip is relatively rare. At least Vater will help out if and when this occurs.
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Vater guarantees their Nylon tips for the life of the stick. Here's a quote from their website…"Vater's Nylon tips are guaranteed not to fall off, crack or break for the performance life span of the drumstick." Maybe other stick companies have the same guarantee, I don't know. I assume breaking a nylon tip is relatively rare. At least Vater will help out if and when this occurs.
That does not mean they are any stronger than other sticks... If you sell them 1$ more that easily covers the occasional broken tip. You are just paying for a tip insurance. If you're not a hard hitter you should even avoid them because you're paying for the other people that ruin a tip every weekend :)

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