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Old 01-17-2014, 04:34 PM
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Default Evans v Remo - settle an arguement

this discussion is going on in another forum:

<<Its worth noting that the Evans product is fundamentally a cheaper SKC plastic(30%?), and has nowhere near the musical range of the Remo mylar product. I can't understand why anybody would put a cheap plastic used in mobile phones and fridges on their top line German drums unless they're simply purchasing to a budget!?>>

Can anyone confirm that Evans uses a cheaper plastic.

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Old 01-17-2014, 05:30 PM
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Both use Dupont mylar which leads me to believe each company's clear heads are virtually the same with minor differences in the collar and hoop. The coating however is definitely different although both companies spray the coating on (yes I've personally seen Remo spray it). Ultimately, it doesn't matter as long as you like the sound.
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:32 PM
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I can't confirm what you heard, but they are undoubtedly different films, based on feel, sound, etc.
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:36 PM
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anxiously awaiting Evansspecialist to chime in here.

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Old 01-17-2014, 06:10 PM
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Both use Dupont mylar which leads me to believe each company's clear heads are virtually the same with minor differences in the collar and hoop.
I don't think we can assume this. Roy Burns (Aquarian) has mentioned that it can be very hard to get consistent, high quality film.
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:14 PM
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anxiously awaiting Evansspecialist to chime in here.

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Old 01-17-2014, 06:40 PM
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"Nowhere near the musical range of remo"? That's got to be one of the biggest piles of nonsense I've read around here.
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:55 PM
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I concur Dr., again, need to hear something from the horses mouth. I love my Evans heads.

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Old 01-17-2014, 08:10 PM
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I concur Dr., again, need to hear something from the horses mouth. I love my Evans heads.

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I wouldn't worry about it. Of course both brands have different processes and sound different, but that original statement is just plain dumb. It's like a mentally disabled kid is trying to justify why he thinks remo is "better", with some kind of nonsense when really it has a lot more to do with one of his drum heroes endorsing or using remo.

Hell, I even have a snare that right now has evans on top and remo on bottom! Oh, the humanity!
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idk about the arguement the OP posted but i have used both in the past and probably keep using both company heads.

there are differences in the both of them. the feel of them is one and the sound is the other. from my experience...

the clear G1s feel papery as where the clear ambassadors dont feel papery. the sound of both i have to say are different too.
the coated G1 feel good and sound good but the ambassadors sound a bit warmer.

the clear G2/EC2s feel great and sound great. the emperors also feel and sound great.

the coated G2's feel like they have a thick-ass coating on them making them a bit too warmer for my taste. never really tried the coated emperors but thats my next adventure!

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Old 01-17-2014, 09:31 PM
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I concur Dr., again, need to hear something from the horses mouth. I love my Evans heads.

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I can't imagine Evans or any other company coming out and saying "It's true, we use an inferior film" no matter what.

On the other hand, if you love your Evans heads, why does it matter?
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:49 PM
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To alleviate a point of inferior film.

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Are they talking about Evans G1, G2 etc.......or the Evans equivalent of something like a Remo UT that are often found on many intermediate or lower end kits?

It's not uncommon for cheaper heads to be used on kits. Hence why so many swap them out immediately. Can you clarify exactly what Evans heads they're talking about?
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To alleviate a point of inferior film.

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I didn't really mean to be facetious, but I sincerely doubt the people at Evans even know exactly what the specs are for Remo film, whether it costs differently, etc. I would expect that information to be kept confidential between purchaser and supplier.

I also expect that Evans (and Remo, for that matter) specify certain films for certain applications, and that spec probably has little to do with what the other guy is doing...

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Old 01-17-2014, 11:53 PM
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I don't care at all what either of them are made of. It's the sound and feel that really counts.

I do find pros and cons between the 2. I find that coated remos don't stay in tune as long. Also, remos coating ALWAYS marks up my other heads. The coating is notorious for making a mess going from a coated Remo snare head to clear Tom heads, a terrible mess of marks.

But on the other end, I find I'm liking a lot of remos heads as far as sound goes. For example: a Remo CS coated Black dot snare head sounds much better than a coated Evans power dot snare head IMO.
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:30 AM
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I don't care at all what either of them are made of. It's the sound and feel that really counts.

I do find pros and cons between the 2. I find that coated remos don't stay in tune as long. Also, remos coating ALWAYS marks up my other heads. The coating is notorious for making a mess going from a coated Remo snare head to clear Tom heads, a terrible mess of marks.

But on the other end, I find I'm liking a lot of remos heads as far as sound goes. For example: a Remo CS coated Black dot snare head sounds much better than a coated Evans power dot snare head IMO.
I've never had such an experience as you describe with a Remo snare batter.

So what if the film is cheaper? They still sound like heads.
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Old 01-18-2014, 05:24 PM
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The best way to settle this is to just buy Aquarian. :-)
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Old 01-18-2014, 05:56 PM
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I can honestly say in my nearly 40 years of drumming, Ive never played Aquarian. Started with Remo, moved to Evans probably 20 years ago.

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I recently got a load of EVANS EC2 SST tom heads, being LEVEL 360 I really don't notice that they tune up a whole lot easier, especially on my 5 lug GRETSCH toms, but I can tell you w/o a doubt they're 'best sounding' heads I've played to date.


Guaranteed both companies use a different grade of MYLAR, Im sure there'd be patent issues if they used the exact same film.

DUPONT has like a quadzillion different grades. You could start your own drumhead co and not worry about the same sound, if you even had an idea of what type of MYLAR would sound best.

PREMIER hit it on on the head with their old signature heads being a european variant MELINEX, they sounded and felt great compared too.

EC is actually a lable used for a grade/type of DUPONT MYLAR, tho maybe used coincidentally as such in the call out by EVANS.

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Old 01-18-2014, 10:19 PM
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Hell, I even have a snare that right now has evans on top and remo on bottom! Oh, the humanity!
The end of the world is near..............................surprised they haven't spontaneously combusted yet!
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Old 01-18-2014, 10:36 PM
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As of late all my snares are Evans reverse dot. Coating stays on longer than the Remo and they sound great. As for the toms it's still Remo for me. Either Ambassador X's or clear Emperors. For the bass it's a Remo PS3 on two kits and SK1 on the other. Works for me.
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The end of the world is near..............................surprised they haven't spontaneously combusted yet!

And let that be a reminder to all, take note of the label stamped on the bottom head (if) b/f you go crowing how great the drum sounds with new EVANS batters, it just might be the REMO bottom head is making all the difference!


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Old 01-19-2014, 03:18 AM
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EC is actually a lable used for a grade/type of DUPONT MYLAR, tho maybe used coincidentally as such in the call out by EVANS.
Yeah, I believe it stands for "Edge Control"
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Old 01-19-2014, 03:32 AM
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Both companies make heads from films that are manufactured to their specs.
Both companies have their own processes for making the hoops and setting the film in the hoops.
Both companies have their own coatings and sound control systems.

If you use a head and you like how it performs than that is the best head no matter who makes it or how it is made.
I use heads that I like from several manufacturers.
I am glad that there are so many options.
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I wish debates over drum heads would spontaneously combust and go away. If it sounds good, lasts to your expectations and If you like it, it is good no matter what "prevailing" wisdom is offered on the internet.

I've always used Evans and they have sounded and lasted just fine in my case. I'm very satisfied
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If it sounds good, lasts to your expectations and If you like it, it is good no matter what "prevailing" wisdom is offered on the internet.
We should just put this on the little message bar at the top of the forum, because it could save so much time discussing these obviously subjective things! I mean, jeez, I heard some two-year-old (plus) stock Gretsch heads on a Catalina Club today that I thought sounded fantastic. Those were probably around McDonalds' toy-grade plastic.
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Crisis averted...............

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I use both with great results. But there's one thing I have to mention about Aquarian. I don't know what kind of coating they use but it's amazing. I just put fresh heads on my kit and did a gig. G2 coated on my toms and an Aquarian coated on my snare. After playing 2 sets you can see stick marks on the toms. Pretty normal stuff. But on the snare which is hit at least 10 (?) times more than the toms, not a mark. Looks brand new. Don't understand.
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I use both with great results. But there's one thing I have to mention about Aquarian. I don't know what kind of coating they use but it's amazing. I just put fresh heads on my kit and did a gig. G2 coated on my toms and an Aquarian coated on my snare. After playing 2 sets you can see stick marks on the toms. Pretty normal stuff. But on the snare which is hit at least 10 (?) times more than the toms, not a mark. Looks brand new. Don't understand.
Now, that much is certainly true... Aquarian's coating is some kind of dark magic!
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For me, it's Evans Gmad on the kick, Remo Coated Emperors on the toms, and Aquarian single ply texture coated, Remo Coated Ambassador, or X14 on the snares. That's what works for me.
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