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Old 12-25-2013, 10:29 PM
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Default Re: How did Keith Moon play?

Keith Moon was an undisciplined, carefree, insecure, brilliant, hysterically funny, manic, loving, belligerent, complicated and contradictory loose cannon. His entire personality came through in his playing. That alone, despite whether or not anyone's paradiddles are tighter or bass drum more solid, makes Keith an amazing artist and legendary drummer.

Long Live Moonie.

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Old 12-25-2013, 10:52 PM
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Good thread....age 50 here and have always enjoyed The Who. Untold hours....and then more hours....listening to all their stuff on vinyl and then later CD. Have seen them several times with and without Moon.

In my estimation, the brilliance of Keith....and what translates to his playing and the obvious and enormous impact it had on the Who...is that he played what he wanted when he wanted how he wanted....and for whatever reason was not interested in being something else or aspiring to play like someone else. That's brave....that's pure....and unapologetically original.

Technical ability is required to a certain degree so one can at least communicate how they want using an instrument. Past that point, and if there is too much focus on refinement, the abandon and expression can give way to accuracy and competency which can be an inhibitor to sounding original.

Moon didn't give a rats ass about it, so his voice and style was uniquely his. A beautiful enigma. So the irony is....the so called lack of technicality is what established his individual approach and voice and thus his lasting influence.
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Old 12-25-2013, 11:21 PM
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Hmm, looks like a bit of vote stacking here, young Steve :)

Moonie was lucky to have the talent to play so freely without so much graft. How much fun would that be? What do you do for a living? I jam along with my friends' songs.

But, as you say, he was unlucky in that that same quality at times left him without self control which ultimately lead to his death.
"Young Steve....you say the nicest things Grea.......:):)

But yes,the very thing than let him breathe,ultimately took his breath away.He was a fomula 1 race car,without brakes,and his concept of self control,was going to sleep, after tying one on.I still think he was brilliant player,who's unbridaled power,brought an whole new energy level to the drum set....and to rock.

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Old 12-26-2013, 01:06 AM
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But yes,the very thing than let him breathe,ultimately took his breath away.
That's a good way of putting it for a young fella :) Seems to me the same probably could be said of the 27 club too.

Pressure begets creativity because it forces us to solve problems. Stimulation-seeking creative people like Moonie will create problems when none present themselves, even when it has nothing to do with their music or art. More disciplined creative people accept the lulls and then strike when the muse arrives.

I know this because I have long tended to be the former (thanks Mum), and envied the latter.
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Old 12-26-2013, 01:08 AM
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The thing I got from Keith was he proved the drummer provided the power and the dynamics of the band.

Keith could go from a whisper to a full on fright train. He could lightly back up a quiet section, or drive a powerful section like a sports car meets a Mac truck. Keith's control of dynamics and power is the main reason "Live at Leeds" is such a great album. (particularly the original version, before the 1001 re-issues).

Pete was often a story teller through his songwriting and Keith could handle what ever Pete threw at him, and would find a way to tell that story on drums. "The Real Me" probably being the best example of this.

As Tony mentioned, at times Keith would take a classical orchestra approach with his parts.

And other times, he could be actually be controlled. The whole concept of a drummer playing along to a sequencer with a click on stage started with The Who.

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Old 12-26-2013, 01:14 AM
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He played like drummers should, which is jammin his ass off and not worried about his gear and everything being perfect.
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:07 PM
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I love that you and I agree on something .

It's a Christmas miracle :)

Be well my friend
And you Tony. Good luck in 2014 and all the best to the family.
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Old 01-03-2014, 07:32 AM
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In my opinion the closest to Keith Moon's style of playing was Mitch Mitchell who was particularly adept at using drum technique. I think the key to Moon's playing is being able to do single stroke rolls very fast while crushing some hertas in. I don't think Keith ever thought about it as herta's, ratamcue's etc when he was playing them, he firstly thought of them as single stroke rolls and thought about the different rudiments by splitting them up into singles first so he could split up and syncopate hertas and ratamacue's etc halfway through and do different stuff. He said that he could play paradiddles but they never fitted in with the music he was playing with.

Also, look carefully on the video of "Who Are You" the song on you tube. You will see Keith Moon do a brief demonstration of how he approached the toms and the cymbals. He rolls his fist together like a boxer hitting a speedball and then when he comes to the end of 4 rolls he puts his arms out to simulate a particular accent on the drums. I think the key to his playing (and I'm not an expert, just a big who fan) that made him keep time was thinking in circles - he played up wards as if he was paddling and he would know how to come in on a cue at the end of a bar or a guitar solo by knowing when his other arm would come back up or down at the end of a circle that he used in his rolls (so then knowing where to place the other that fell naturally within a bar etc or the end of 4 bars). He did use his fingers to move the stick while he was driving the stick to the tom, but to move it sideways (not to do a paradiddle) but sway the stick sideways so that he could do the off beats on the other toms that would supply the great oddities of his fills (his fist looks like it's over one drum but the end of the stick is hitting another away to the side).

Another aspect to his playing was the orchiestral way in which he turned the volume up and down. He hit the skins as if you were hitting a kettle drum to build up tension and gravity, only he would do it really fast and build it up to a long roll right across the kit (but with each drum so you would have to put double the effort into each drum rather rely on a given technique that would make it easier and tidier) - again this is Keith Moon's amazing self taught training on single stick rolls.
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Old 01-03-2014, 04:10 PM
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Technical ability is required to a certain degree so one can at least communicate how they want using an instrument. Past that point, and if there is too much focus on refinement, the abandon and expression can give way to accuracy and competency which can be an inhibitor to sounding original.

Moon didn't give a rats ass about it, so his voice and style was uniquely his. A beautiful enigma. So the irony is....the so called lack of technicality is what established his individual approach and voice and thus his lasting influence.

I agree all you say........including technical ability is required to a certain degree.. and that "degree" is debatable...
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