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Old 12-11-2013, 08:33 AM
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I think this might be an English translation thing, because in the states we pronounce the H in historic and hotel. In hour it is silent, as well as honor. Crazy ass language.

Didn't even think about the different forms of English. But I is 'Merican, so you is rong! Haha!
The h thing derives from the Latin roots of English. Latin as in Roman, not South American! Oh, and the correct spelling is "honour" ;)

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A lecture on proper use of the English language from a Yank?

Now I've heard it all! :-)
Haga, almost as bad as a lecture from an Aussie!
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Haga, almost as bad as a lecture from an Aussie!
Yes. A point that's difficult to argue, no doubt.

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Still, we did managed to keep the excessive use of the letter U.......and maintain our S's in place of new fangled "Zees"
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Yes. A point that's difficult to argue, no doubt.

Still, we did managed to keep the excessive use of the letter U.......and maintain our S's in place of new fangled "Zees"
One of the joys of playing Little Wing is hearing our vocalist sing "zebras" rather than "zeebras" (yikes).

Sometimes I need to put subtitles on with American movies, although that's a combo of the accent plus a trend towards "authenticity" (?) with gutteral mumbling replacing regular Homo Sapiens speech. Or maybe the actors can't speak properly, I don't know.

It's a losing battle, of course. American "English" is the closest thing we have to universal language in finance, science and computing. Bilingual people overseas learn US English because British spelling is too quirky and irregular. We are an anachronism.
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We are an anachronism.
But that doesn't make us wrong. British English spelling is a wonderful distillation of the history of the language.
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One of the joys of playing Little Wing is hearing our vocalist sing "zebras" rather than "zeebras" (yikes).
OK, I'm not only an American, I am an Idahoan, lol, so help me out here, Grea. What is the difference in pronunciation between the two? Is the first pronounced with an initial "s" sound and the second with a "z" sound?

I love these discussions of language. My son is studying to be a linguist, and we have discussions about word origins and language usage all the time when he's home. Fascinating stuff!
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OK, I'm not only an American, I am an Idahoan, lol, so help me out here, Grea. What is the difference in pronunciation between the two? Is the first pronounced with an initial "s" sound and the second with a "z" sound?
Sorry to barge in, but you Transatlantic types say zeebra. Those of us who speak proper English say zehbra: the "e" pronounced as in "led".
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Sorry to barge in, but you Transatlantic types say zeebra. Those of us who speak proper English say zehbra: the "e" pronounced as in "led".
Aahhhhh, gotcha. Thanks!
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... "an halibut".
Would this be a reference to Erik the fish? High five, if so.
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Old 12-11-2013, 08:25 PM
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Would this be a reference to Erik the fish? High five, if so.
Yes, of course, who else? And before you ask, yes I do have a licence for him.
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Yes, of course, who else? And before you ask, yes I do have a licence for him.
I reckon the old python records are probably more in circulation in your part of the world.

Here in the states, you can easily quote or reference most of the movies, but stuff from the old records, such as erik, the argument store, etc... Not so much.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:30 PM
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I reckon the old python records are probably more in circulation in your part of the world.

Here in the states, you can easily quote or reference most of the movies, but stuff from the old records, such as erik, the argument store, etc... Not so much.
When I was a schoolteacher, I considered it my bounden duty to educate my 5-year-olds.

That was 20 years ago. One can only hope.

This, apparently, is me and my best friend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgoRDYZQMrQ
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Bilingual people overseas learn US English because British spelling is too quirky and irregular.
There's certainly method to their madness. I mean, why the hell is there a U in colour? And words like authorise/authorize are actually pronounced with a zed (or is that a zee??) and not an ess sound......so it does make sense to ammend the spelling and alleviate unnecessary confusion.

That said, it'll be a cold day in hell before I ever pay a Yank their dues and commend them for straightening out the Englishman's mess of a language. :-)
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There's certainly method to their madness. I mean, why the hell is there a U in colour? And words like authorise/authorize are actually pronounced with a zed (or is that a zee??) and not an ess sound......so it does make sense to ammend the spelling and alleviate unnecessary confusion.

That said, it'll be a cold day in hell before I ever pay a Yank their dues and commend them for straightening out the Englishman's mess of a language. :-)
The U is a leftover from the French. As for the Z, it was standard spelling until the 19th century, at which point it was considered archaic and replaced by an S.
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:52 AM
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Anybody enjoying these random thoughts would most likely enjoy "Made in America" by Bill Bryson, which is a potted history of the US, woven around the divergence of Merkin English from, well, English.
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There's certainly method to their madness. I mean, why the hell is there a U in colour? And words like authorise/authorize are actually pronounced with a zed (or is that a zee??) and not an ess sound......so it does make sense to ammend the spelling and alleviate unnecessary confusion.

That said, it'll be a cold day in hell before I ever pay a Yank their dues and commend them for straightening out the Englishman's mess of a language. :-)
On the other hand, the z in US faux English is often inconsistent with the noun ... realize realized realizing realization ... so far so good, then ... realism.

I guess what makes it difficult are the multiple influences on English - as Madge said, the French influence is a major culprit in English's weirdness, eg. rendezvous ... rondayvoo?

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On the other hand, the z in US faux English is often inconsistent with the noun ... realize realized realizing realization ... so far so good, then ... realism.

I guess what makes it difficult are the multiple influences on English - as Madge said, the French influence is a major culprit in English's weirdness, eg. rendezvous ... rondayvoo?

Redikulus! ... Haga! ... Seet belts! ... Thinly valed marketing ... help, I carnt stop!
Some of my favorites are the different meaning/different spelling words that often get confused. There, their, they're....through, threw....ceiling, sealing....plain, plane...seen, scene....etc.
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Some of my favorites are the different meaning words that often get confused.
Rubber - fag - fanny - ball shagger, the list is endless :)
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One of the joys of playing Little Wing is hearing our vocalist sing "zebras" rather than "zeebras" (yikes).

Sometimes I need to put subtitles on with American movies, although that's a combo of the accent plus a trend towards "authenticity" (?) with gutteral mumbling replacing regular Homo Sapiens speech. Or maybe the actors can't speak properly, I don't know.

It's a losing battle, of course. American "English" is the closest thing we have to universal language in finance, science and computing. Bilingual people overseas learn US English because British spelling is too quirky and irregular. We are an anachronism.
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Rubber - fag - fanny - ball shagger, the list is endless :)
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Asking for a cigarette without offering payment has never been so succinct ;) ;) ;)
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Always thought calling cigarettes fags was the best way to get someone to quit. "Put these fags in your mouth"..."Suck on a tasty fag"..."These fags have a better flavor than those fags"..."The strength of this fag really does a number on my mouth"
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Mr IP, if "Light a fire in face that makes you and your clothes smell bad while we slowly kill you and turn your walls yellow" doesn't make people quit, a bit of homophobia is unlikely to do the job.

Many years ago, when I was living in the UK, there was a brand of cigarettes called "Death". Truth in packaging if ever I saw it!
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Mr IP, if "Light a fire in face that makes you and your clothes smell bad while we slowly kill you and turn your walls yellow" doesn't make people quit, a bit of homophobia is unlikely to do the job.

Many years ago, when I was living in the UK, there was a brand of cigarettes called "Death". Truth in packaging if ever I saw it!
To be fair, it wouldn't put me off either. I'd probably relish them if I liked tailor-mades...
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Some of my favorites are the different meaning/different spelling words that often get confused. There, their, they're....through, threw....ceiling, sealing....plain, plane...seen, scene....etc.
Or per craigslist base drum, bass drum... symbol, cymbal
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Traduction, please?


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Traduction, please?
Everyone was talking about odd English spellings and pronunciations, so I just gave some examples. Some more:

one won sun
one done gone tone
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Edit: hadn't heard of ghoti - amazing idea :)

I also like wine.
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Tis English..

Jack and his genetic relation,
Ascended the contour formation,
To procure hydrogenated oxygen,
In an appropriate container of tin.
Misfortune upset his fulcrum,
Shattering to smithereens his cranium,
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Please preserve me from nutters. There are no words to describe the day I've had. Where's the intravenous gin?
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What the heck is a Ghoti?
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What the heck is a Ghoti?
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Ghoti is a constructed word used to illustrate irregularities in English spelling. It is a respelling of the word fish: i.e., it is supposed to be pronounced /ˈfɪʃ/. It comprises these phonemes:
- gh, pronounced /f/ as in tough /tʌf/;
- o, pronounced /ɪ/ as in women /ˈwɪmɪn/; and
- ti, pronounced /ʃ/ as in nation /ˈneɪʃən/.
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That said, it'll be a cold day in hell before I ever pay a Yank their dues and commend them for straightening out the Englishman's mess of a language. :-)
So if an Englishman moved to the US and became a citizen, slowly losing sight of his English culture and embracing the American lifestyle of cheeseburgers and Wal-marts would an Ausie call him a "Yank-Pom"?
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So if an Englishman moved to the US and became a citizen, slowly losing sight of his English culture and embracing the American lifestyle of cheeseburgers and Wal-marts would an Ausie call him a "Yank-Pom"?
Ah, a wannabe Yank..........the very worst kind. :-)
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How about if an Aussie drummer got drunk ("Pissed" I believe you call it) on sweet, sweet American booze. Say jack Daniels. Would his friends then say he was "Yank-pissed". Can that be a new thing?

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How about if an Aussie drummer got drunk ("Pissed" I believe you call it) on sweet, sweet American booze. Say jack Daniels. Would his friends then say he was "Yank-pissed".
Pissed on Jack Daniels? Hell no!! They'd say it was a lifestyle. At least anyone who knows me well, would.
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