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Old 11-27-2013, 09:47 PM
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The trajectory matches up, that is for sure. There is no doubt that a .223/5.56 HP fired from an AR-15 from maybe 25 yards away would cause that much damage. What I want to know is did anyone recover the bullet casing? I know casings were recovered at the scene, and an AR-15 tosses its case a good ways after the rifle cycles. The casing would have left the car, and the way the weapon works, there is no way for it to not eject the spent case. Also, even though an AR-15 is a highly accurate weapon in the hands of a trained individual, it still requires a competent shooter. The chances of the weapon being accidentally fired and scoring such a precision shot seems a bit iffy to me.

I'm not arguing the theory, actually I find all the different theories quite entertaining and plausable in their own ways. The unfortunate problem is that we will never really know what happened at this point. It is quite interesting though.
Doctors handed the brain to the SS guys. It has never been seen again. According to this documentary I saw, the hospital staff reported that the doctors were being majorly harassed by the CIA inside the examination room at Parkland Hospital. An X ray tech testified as saying he doctored X rays at his bosses behest. So there's some very compelling stuff that has been suppressed it would seem.
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The first bullet to hit JFK was in his neck and went clean through. The fatal bullet was a hollow point bullet, based on the shrapnel evidence in the brain, and from the trajectory of the entrance and exit wound, it negates the grassy knoll and the school book depository. In the car directly behind JFK, the SS guys had a rifle loaded with hollow point bullets. Pictures bear this out. Also the SS guys were out drinking till 5 in the morning that day. So they were sleep deprived, and the handling of the rifle was given to a guy who was basically just a driver, and untrained, because the rest of the guys were sleep deprived and probably still buzzed. The mans name was George Hickey. The trajectory of the fatal shot was consistent with a bullet that originated from where George Hickey was standing up in the convertible following the President. The crux of the whole show I saw was that it appears to have been an accident, with George Hickey as the guy who accidentally shot the President. I don't believe the SS would assassinate JFK, if that was their intention, in front of all those people and all those cameras. That's just plain dumb. I do believe that Oswald shot the neck shot. I do believe he intended to kill him. Oswald's bullets went clean through JFK's neck into the Governor, so they couldn't have been hollow point.

If the neck shot was a hollow point bullet, it should have blown the front of his neck out. There was radio opaque material throughout JFK's brain, consistent with a hollow point bullet. Also there were many reports of the smell of gunpowder at street level. A very interesting theory that I wanted to explore more.

The SS's own internal paperwork went missing right afterwards of course. So there are new theories out.
The "autopsy" performed on JFK's body was done improperly, unlawfully, and in an untimely matter. Any conspiracy's involving material found JFK's brain, should be taken with a major grain of salt.

Its hard to believe the shot from behind theory stands up to all the gunshot wounds found on all the people riding with JFK. Oswald, 3 shots, from the depository does. Plus, Howard Brennan is on record stating the he saw Oswald take the final shot. If Oswald took two shots, why did they find three bullet casings with Oswald's gun?

Regardless of how much they drank that night or how late they were up, do you really think members of the secret service would be that careless? These are highly trained and highly disciplined individuals: marines, navy seals, etc. If an agent's firearm discharged, there would be evidence of it. There were public officials and many other agents in the car with Hickory. Yes, a cover-up would make for some awkward denials, but there would have been an obvious reaction by the people on the street and in the car during the event to point to, and there isn't.
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If Oswald took two shots, why did they find three bullet casings with Oswald's gun?

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They are saying that the 3rd casing was a bent and empty cartridge used to keep the rifle chamber clean.

The thing is, if the shot came from behind, Jackie Kennedy would have known that. She was so close. In fact, it's amazing she didn't get killed. Her head was almost touching JFK's when that bullet exploded his brain. She was looking at his neck wound. Amazing she didn't get hit. So in my mind, if it was an accident, she was in on the cover up. I mean how can you not know when a gun has been fired maybe 20 feet away from you?
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Ok kids.The last round that hit Kennedy,was the same caliber as the first,6.5 mm Carcano,the same caliber,fired by the Mannlicher/Carcano rifle,which was found at the scene.Also recoverad at the scene were 3 discharged shell casings,in 6.5 MM carcano caliber.

The ballistic evidence recovered in the form of discharged bullets/projectiles,both primary and secondary,was 6.5mm carcano caliber.The metal jacket of the 6.5 mm carcano rifle,that Osawald used,was surplus WW II ,Italian ammo,which can be identified the the case head stamp.This ammo is brass case,cupro/nickel(bullet) jacketed ammo,NOT the currently used 5.56 MM FULL metal jacket mil. spec ammo,carried by the SS.Those rounds,are also COPPER jacketed...NOT cupro/nickel.No copper jacked ballistic evidence was recovered.

The 5.56mm or .223 caliber of the M-16(AR-15) which was a smaller caliber.Hollowpoints or more accurately,controlled expansion bullets,were barely in developement at the time,and only used in civilian bolt action and semi auto rifles.this was due to many failure to feed and jamming in semi and full auto modes.Only full metal case ammo was issued to the military,and law enforcement...so there was NO hollowpoint ammo involved.BTW,.hollowpoint bullets DON'T do what most people think they do,dispite TV,movies,and some idiot reporter on the 6 o'clock news or some anti-gun pundit.

The 6.5 mm carcano round,fires a 162 grain(bullet weight),round nose,cupro/nickel jacketed bullet,and has a muzzel velocity of over 2300 feet per second,and over 1850-1900 foot pounds of energy.,and is effective at over 800 yards.More than enough to open up a human skull at even a few hundred yards.

The 5.56mm bullet by contrast is 62 grains,3100 fps@1300 ft.lbs.No 5.56mm discharged shell casings were recovered at the primary,or secondary scene

And yes,I am an expert in ballistics and firearms.It's what I did for 7 years in the NYPD.

I was also not quite sure about the evidence in the Kennedy assisination,so for two years,I poured over all the available evidence,as well as the Warren Commission report.

Sorry conspiracy theorists,but only one man shot Kennedy,and that was Oswald,with a WW II surplus Italian military rifle. The scene was reconstructed several times,in simulated and live fire situations,and it was repeated over and over.Those 3 shots,were fired by one man,were certainly possible and repeatable,given the same circumstances and equipment.

The evidence dosen't lie,and everything else is unproven theories.Period.There is so substanciated evidence to the contrary,that holds ANY probative value.

PS..we also actually DID go to the moon,and there was no 9/11 conspiracy...I was there at ground zero,inhaling avation fuel.No holograms,no missles,no death rays.

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Old 11-27-2013, 10:43 PM
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We know what the word censorship means.

We know it occurs.

We know it occurs in ways that we are not even aware of.

I think we are pretty lucky...

If we had no concept of it or its incidence, that would be horrific and nearly unchangeable.

As it is, we CAN change things if we really wanted to.

Unfortunatly it takes a breach of a social surface tension...which then creates backlash waves that cause real damage...in order to change actions around such a powerful subject.
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Sorry conspiracy theorists,but only one man shot Kennedy,and that was Oswald,with a WW II surplus Italian military rifle. The scene was reconstructed several times,in simulated and live fire situations,and it was repeated over and over.Those 3 shots,were fired by one man,were certainly possible and repeatable,given the same circumstances and equipment.

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The story I heard was that Kennedy was shot by a magic bullet.

The thing that I think is weird is that Kennedy and Ruby were both autopsied by the same doctor in the same hospital. What are the odds of that? Just a coincidence I suppose.

We should always believe every official story the government tells us and just be good little citizens. I agree.
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The story I heard was that Kennedy was shot by a magic bullet.

The thing that I think is weird is that Kennedy and Ruby were both autopsied by the same doctor in the same hospital. What are the odds of that? Just a coincidence I suppose.

We should always believe every official story the government tells us and just be good little citizens. I agree.
That's my point exactly.You heard a story,about a magic bullet.That story was the crux of the Oliver Stone movie RFK,about HIS version of the Kennedy assination.It's actually,just a story,with no probative value,and no real ballistic evidence ,to give it any value.Just another "what if".

Kennedy and Oswald,not Ruby,were examined by the same Dr..Thats because,he was the only forensic medical examiner,the hospital had.

As far as believing everything they tell me,no I don't.I believe ony half of what I see,and almost none of what I read.,and nothing a politician says.I need multiple sources of credible informatin,before I form an opinion,as to the probable truth of any situation.

The only absolute truth is.....there is NO absolute truth.Almost ,no ,beyond the shadow of a doubt.

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That's my point exactly.You heard a story,about a magic bullet.That story was the crux of the Oliver Stone movie RFK,about HIS version of the Kennedy assination.It's actually,just a story,with no probative value,and no real ballistic evidence ,to give it any value.Just another "what if".

Kennedy and Oswald,not Ruby,were examined by the same Dr..Thats because,he was the only forensic medical examiner,the hospital had.

As far as believing everything they tell me,no I don't.I believe ony half of what I see,and almost none of what I read.,and nothing a politician says.I need multiple sources of credible informatin,before I form an opinion,as to the probable truth of any situation.

The only absolute truth is.....there is NO absolute truth.Almost ,no ,beyond the shadow of a doubt.

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Yes, Oswald, not Ruby, I got it mixed up. I don't know much more than what the movie and a few PBS/Science Channel specials told me. The Hollywood movie, JFK, which I'm sure had to be dramatized to sell tickets, is just that, a Hollywood movie. We'll never know the real truth. After awhile nobody will care anymore. I certainly don't, but it does leave me with a bad taste in the mouth so-to-speak.
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The strange thing is Dunc,is that ,as time goes on,more and more of the American public,believe there was a conspiracy.In fact,the last few polls taken this year,say around 63%,believe there was a conspiracy,and Oswald didn't act alone.

This in no small part,to the ever emerging rumors and books ,written on the subject by self proclaimed experts,all claiming they have the "smoking gun".Yet,none of it leads to a Grand Jury Indictment,which further bears out the credibility and actual probative value of this "evidence".

I too believe we'll never know exactly what happened.It's just that the Warren Commission report...to date,is the most compelling ,and provable evidence we have.

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I was 6 years old when JFK was assassinated. When I grew up I followed the stories about conspiracy. I have always felt that we were not told the entire story. I think that I am correct in thinking that.
I have the same thoughts about the RFK assassination.
I believe that lone gunmen did the shooting of both JFK and RFK, but we were not told the entire truth.

When I watched the Apollo Moon Landing I was 12 years old, I was skeptical. It just seemed unreal to me. I went along with it and I dismissed my feelings. I waived the flag and I tried to share the splendor. I am still undecided as to if the moon landings really happened or not.

When I watched 9-11 unfold, I was at first shocked and I believed that terrorist had hijacked airplanes and done all of that damage. A few days later when the shock wore off, I realized that the collapse of those buildings was not solely from airplanes crashing into them. Later I noticed that many others shared my feelings. The whole thing stinks. I mean, It Really Stinks! I have no doubt that there is much more to the story than the official version. The visual evidence of how the buildings fell shows it all. There was controlled demolition performed on the towers, and on building 7 after the planes struck that day.
A commercial airliner did not hit the pentagon either!
Sorry, but I have no doubts!
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Q 1: How many people would have had to be in on the story if the moon landings were faked. Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?

I would guess at hundreds. Film production crews, mission and mission support crews (actors, if you will).

Q 2: How good are people at keeping secrets?

Occam's razor: the simplest explanation is often the right one.

Bonus hint: Conspiracies are complicated.
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Q 1: How many people would have had to be in on the story if the moon landings were faked. Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?

I would guess at hundreds. Film production crews, mission and mission support crews (actors, if you will).

Q 2: How good are people at keeping secrets?

Occam's razor: the simplest explanation is often the right one.

Bonus hint: Conspiracies are complicated.
Actually many successful conspiracies have been carried out throughout history. The burning of the German Chancellery by the Nazi's before WWII is an example. The bigger the lie, the more it becomes truth.
How many people knew about D-Day? It was kept secret until it occurred.
The Manhattan Project was kept secret until Truman announced the existence of the bombs.
The Stealth Bomber and the U2 spy plane.
Secrets are kept all the time.
People witness murders and they never talk for fear of reprisal.
Even if people do talk about secret events that they are aware of they often are not believed.
People believe the official story that is repeated numerous times by the media.
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I wonder how this thread would have gone if the JFK stuff were not in the original post? :-)

Censorship has always been, and will always be as long as people give rule to men. Men have rule and control given to them, they will censor whatever threatens that rule and control.

Every society in history with rulers shows examples of censorship of people or materials produced by people rulers disagree with. In America we now have serious corruption at all levels of governance. Censorship follows. Freedom of speech is no more. Freedom of thought will be censored at some point, if it can be ascertained what people are thinking, and those thoughts are deemed a threat to those in power.
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Censorship has always been, and will always be as long as people give rule to men. Men have rule and control given to them, they will censor whatever threatens that rule and control.
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Other species as well. I know for a fact wolves and gorillas censor one another too. Ever see a wolf howl out of turn?
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I think there is some confusion about what censor actually means. To censor is complete removal of something that is deemed inappropriate for society. Key words: COMPLETE REMOVAL

Parental guidance is not censorship. Animals maintaining hierarchy is not censorship. Eliminating something from everyone's use, regardless of what it is, that is censorship.

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If you show up at a political candidates rally in a public place holding signs of protest against the candidates agenda you are handcuffed and arrested even though you didn't heckle the candidate.
That is not the, "Free Speech" that the American writers of the constitution had in mind.
That is what America has become. America is no longer the land of the free. It's not just the internet!
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If you show up at a political candidates rally in a public place holding signs of protest against the candidates agenda you are handcuffed and arrested even though you didn't heckle the candidate.
Really? I find that hard to believe.
If its so, that is definitely the end for liberties...and surely freedom of speech.
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Really? I find that hard to believe.
If its so, that is definitely the end for liberties...and surely freedom of speech.
Here is how people who go against the system are handled in America today.
http://youtu.be/OU-b5hDJpCo
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Here is how people who go against the system are handled in America today.
http://youtu.be/OU-b5hDJpCo
This man has no integrity. He took the plea deal, even though he is against plea deals, and then instead of continuing his fight for the freedom of the shire, he ran away.

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I picked that video because it showed how the system is designed to wear people down until they submit.
The stupid thing is that if the police would have simply just ignored the group as they danced on the green, sang songs, and passed out literature they probably would have eventually moved on to another town on their own.
The one cop in the video seemed to get it. He handed out the restraining order in front of the school with a smile and he didn't take it beyond that. He took it as a game. He saw the big picture.

Here is a larger scale http://youtu.be/e1YiUNvq5r4
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Yes but breaking the law to try to prove a point is still breaking the law. I agree there were things on the video that I didn't agree with as far as his treatment by law enforcement, but how many times must you poke a dog with a stick before it bites you?
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Exactly, I am showing how both sides feel that it is necessary to push each other until a confrontation is made.
Problems are not solved by confrontation. In both of the examples that I gave, both sides lost.
Censorship, or the attempt thereof, makes a problem greater than is really is.
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I picked that video because it showed how the system is designed to wear people down until they submit.
The stupid thing is that if the police would have simply just ignored the group as they danced on the green, sang songs, and passed out literature they probably would have eventually moved on to another town on their own.
The one cop in the video seemed to get it. He handed out the restraining order in front of the school with a smile and he didn't take it beyond that. He took it as a game. He saw the big picture.

Here is a larger scale http://youtu.be/e1YiUNvq5r4
As I watched that video,I thought about the few times that I've been in a riot situation,both in a jail as a correction officer,and with the NYPD,on the street.These police had NO riot grear of any kind.There were no clear perameters or cordoned protest areas,set up ahead of time.It did look just like a goon squad.Granted,there are times,when police departments utilize specialized units,to deal with violent protesters.

But they aren't roving bands of cops,.They are trained,organized,and use proven tactics to defuse situations.But even this....dosen't work all the time.The term"mob mentality" is absolutley real.I've seen this happen 3 times,and it's a very scary thing.

In this case however,there seemed to be zero supervision,and no commands verbal or otherwise,used by the sherrifs depertment.

Conversley,the motivation of some of the protesters,as it is in many protests,is to provoke police into a violent confrontation.Protest organizers use certain loyalists,to accomplich these goals.Causes seem to garner more sympathy and support,when there's "innocent" victims and martyrs involved.

The video title of the sherrifs department being "federalized",is more than a bit of a streatch,since it compromizes the Posse Comitatas Act,which forbids the US military or their agents,to act as law enforcement ,against a civilian population,in a capacity,where Marshell Law,has not been declared due to a NATIONAL,Or state,emergency.

Any members doing so,can be federally prosecuted,and individually sued for civil right violations.

I agree that individual and collective freedoms are being erroded.The founding fathers knew of this possibility,which took place in Europe on occasion,and encouraged citizen revolt...which is why,if you research the founders and the constitution,we have the second ammendment.Some basic research will bear this out.

We aren't the only country to use open force againt it's citizenry.The British "Riot Act"(yes,it actually did exist),which was only repealed in 77,made it a felony,for failing to comply with a lawful oreder to,leave an area,and return to their homes,in a certain amount of time.

Having said tha,these cases are most ofted directed by a local police chief,not wanting to be pushed around in HIS town,and nore an ego thing than any conspiracy.believe,some of these police chiefs,have a hard time fitting their heads through a door way,the're so big.

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Exactly, I am showing how both sides feel that it is necessary to push each other until a confrontation is made.
Problems are not solved by confrontation. In both of the examples that I gave, both sides lost.
Censorship, or the attempt thereof, makes a problem greater than is really is.
I really do appreciate the people who protest, activists who try to make a point peacefully. I don't think that works in this country though. Major change here almost always comes after violence. Revolutionary war, Civil war, Civil rights movement are all prime examples. Seems to me that the only way to get the system to open their eyes and ears is by force. It is part of our history.

I see it like this: There is a room with 10 monkeys in it. In the room is a ladder with a banana at the top. 1 monkey climbs to the top and gets the banana, and all the other monkeys get hosed down with freezing cold water. The monkey that got the banana gets removed from the room and replaced by another monkey. Th new monkey gets the banana, and the other monkeys get hosed again. The banana monkey is removed, and a new one put in his place. The new monkey starts to climb the ladder, but the other monkeys pull him down and beat him until he no longer wants the banana. Once more a monkey is removed and a new one takes its place. When the new monkey starts to climb the ladder, he gets beaten. This cycle repeats itself until there are no original monkeys in the room, yet the monkeys all still beat the new guy who tries to climb the ladder. At this point, the monkeys don't know why they beat the one who climbs the ladder they just do. The moral of the story is that's just how things are around here, even if we don't know why anymore.
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It seems that America recently has become more divided than ever before. In the 60's there were more people who held the middle view.
Now we have more extremist on either wing, and very few people left in the middle.
This is what causes more tension in our country.
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It seems that America recently has become more divided than ever before. In the 60's there were more people who held the middle view.
Now we have more extremist on either wing, and very few people left in the middle.
This is what causes more tension in our country.
I chalk it up to the middle class slowly declining. It is becoming harder to make a living and advance economically, however the amount of poor are growing. I fear that eventually it will be rich and poor with no middle class.

I have my own ideas on how to fix the problem, as I am sure everyone does. This is a problem in itself. We wont fix anything if we can't agree on how to do it.
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So social classes and political classes are directly related.
Black and White, without Grey is bad in both areas.

Steve, I liked your post. You shed more light on this thread.
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Greetings-

In viewing some of the videos and posts---and considering a trip I made driving cross country

in the US--the problem is bigger than you can imagine.......i was almost killed, my teenager was...we and my other teenager are seriously injured still.....we did nothing...we are artists, musicians---unreal, do not think these cops are a few---they are many--and daily---innocent humans are beaten,tazed,pepper sprayed for no crime...some die.

Now, over 40,000 people have been or remain in a MA State jail---because a women--who worked for their system, faked evidence and is admitting it !!!! Will she go to jail ??

How bout the cops, prosecutors, judges she lied for to stick humans in cages ????

Do not stick your head in the sand --you won t see em coming to kick your arse....

My 16 year old angel daughter lost her drums--original blue sparkle ludwigs (1960's) She lost them because, we left our home to grab something to eat and someone else took them. She began playing on a full set--no pad, or only a snare....I love the memory--"Mama, I want to play what I hear" as we all should....she was trying to say simply, what she hears in her heart and soul--not what other people tell her to play, or play from a piece of paper---to see my tiny, sweet , quiet one whale makes me burst into joyous laughter--she is as much of a contradiction as I, her mama is, artistically and
in general. She will play again---all artists sometimes take a break even if they did not choose to. A personal friend, inducted into the jazz hall of fame not so long ago--is releasing a book soon--of course he is a drummer--and, a drummer can play drums on things other than traditional drums--me, I am partial to steering wheels while driving....

They force humans to submit by threatening those they love most-----listen to Dillon--

Hear the music--the passion in the lyrics...our hearts beat to the rhythm of our own drums

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Wow! I didn't see that one coming :)
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As I watched that video,I thought about the few time that I've been in a riot situation,both in a jailas a correction officer,and with the NYPD,on the street.These police had NO riot grear of any kind.There were no clear perameters or cordoned protest areas,set up ahead of time.It did look just like a goon squad.Granted,there are times,when police departments utilize specialized units,to deal with violent protesters.

But they aren't roving bands of cops,.They are trained,organized,and use proven tactics to defuse situations.But even this....dosen't work all the time.The term"mob mentality" is absolutley real.I've seen this happen 3 times,and it's a very scary thing.

In this case however,there seemed to be zero supervision,and no commands verbal or otherwise,used by the sherrifs depertment.

Conversley,the motivation of some of the protesters,as it is in many protests,is to provoke police into a violent confrontation.Protest organizers use certain loyalists,to accomplich these goals.Causes seem to garner more sympathy and support,when there's "innocent" victims and martyrs involved.

The video title of the sherrifs department being "federalized",is more than a bit of a streatch,since it compromizes the Posse Comitatas Act,which forbids the US military or their agents,to act as law enforcement ,against a civilian population,in a capacity,where Marshell Law,has not been declared due to a NATIONAL,Or state,emergency.

Any members doing so,can be federally prosecuted,and individually sued for civil right violations.

I agree that individual and collective freedoms are being erroded.The founding fathers knew of this possibility,which took place in Europe on occasion,and encouraged citizen revolt...which is why,if you research the founders and the constitution,we have the second ammendment.Some basic research will bear this out.

We aren't the only country to use open force againt it's citizenry.The British "Riot Act"(yes,it actually did exist),which was only repealed in 77,made it a felony,for failing to comply with a lawful oreder to,leave an area,and return to their homes,in a certain amount of time.

Having said tha,these cases are most ofted directed by a local police chief,not wanting to be pushed around in HIS town,and nore an ego thing than any conspiracy.believe,some of these police chiefs,have a hard time fitting their heads through a door way,the're so big.

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i want to elaborate on Steve's post for a bit.
The fear exist on both sides. We saw in the video that Alex Jones and his group was let into an area where they could protest. They did just that and they upset the police on purpose to bring on a reaction. The Police became anxious and they acted to move the protestors away. The situation almost became out of control when Alex started shouting, "1776 let the revolution begin" Both sides are in fear of each other and there is a very real threat for violence to occur.
As a "Grey Person" both sides look like idiots to me.
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i have to agree Bob.I have no problem with someone calling it like they see it,but Alex is an extremeist,and his ratings seem to inspire his handling of certain situations,more so than common sense,which seems to be,not so common these days.

The Dallas sherriffs dept.need to re-examine their crowd control training,and embrace the fact,that in a dangerous,stressful situation,you'll default to the level of training,you're most familiar with.You need equipment,training with that equipment,and the will to use it.

Your I.Q.decreases,you form tunnel vision,you don't come up with a new plan.Plan B and C,should be a part of your training,which need to be constantly,reinforced,and ammended.

These crowd interactions,need to have numerous,trained supervisors at the scene,who can communicate their expectations and conduct code,to legal protesters.

This country was built on protest,civil unrest and revolution,but i would hate so see that latter ,become a reality.Then,both sides lose.

To A Human.Firstly,I'm sincerely sorry for your loss.You make some pretty substantial claims,as I know for a fact,a NY City DA,dosen't,incarcerate those kind of numers after a jury trial.There is also the 6th ammendment,concerning speedy trial.

I'm sorry some humanoid stole your daughters drums,but you really can't expect the police to the everywhere...all the time.That's just not practicle,as the sheer numbers of police would be prohibitive,financially.

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Other species as well. I know for a fact wolves and gorillas censor one another too. Ever see a wolf howl out of turn?

That's not censorship. That's hierarchical intimidation.

It operates on similar principles though - a conspicuous demonstration of power, backed by force.
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Lets get back to internet censorship.
Everyone knows that alien lizards from planet X didn't shoot JFK.
Yet there are such theories posted on the net.
Should we censor them? Of course not! Leave them out there for all to see.

As many of you know I am connected to Newtown Ct. (Sandy Hook)
I have worked in the town close to the former school since 1981.
I have seen almost all the ridiculous conspiracy videos that have been put up on YouTube about the Sandy Hook Shootings. It has become my hobby to watch things like this. They don't offend me. I think that they reflect the grieving process that we all go through when confronting something as crazy as the Sandy Hook Shootings, or 9-11 for that matter. They actually help us heal in a strange sort of way. The imagination of thinking about conspiricies helps us cope on a phycological level. Our creativeness to invent these wild theories heals us. When we compose our view though videos, our minds process both the evidence, and fabricated evidence and we somehow come to terms with the unthinkable. It makes us feel good to have solved a mystery, or created more controversy. It depends on our inner feelings at the time. I know that this post will not make sense to many who do not understand the conspiracy theory philosophy. I didn't either, until recently. I had to be directly touched by it to come to terms with my true feelings.
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That's not censorship. That's hierarchical intimidation.

It operates on similar principles though - a conspicuous demonstration of power, backed by force.
Well, my comment was actually was a bit of a joke. (reality is many wolves howl at the same time).

My point kind of was in any group of animals, its basic behaviour for somebody to keep the 'others in line' - even if they don't agree on a line.
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Everyone knows that alien lizards from planet X didn't shoot JFK.
Of course.

That would be ridiculous.







Everybody knows the alien lizards come from the Alpha Draconis star system.
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Well, my comment was actually was a bit of a joke. (reality is many wolves howl at the same time).

My point kind of was in any group of animals, its basic behaviour for somebody to keep the 'others in line' - even if they don't agree on a line.

Ya - I figured that's what you were getting at. It's not just humans that have to deal with it.
But even in anarchistic human societies there are mechanisms to handle agreed upon transgressions.

But just to go way off topic - http://www.freewebs.com/alphawolfsab...randvisual.htm
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Lets get back to internet censorship.
Everyone knows that alien lizards from planet X didn't shoot JFK.
Yet there are such theories posted on the net.
Should we censor them? Of course not! Leave them out there for all to see.

As many of you know I am connected to Newtown Ct. (Sandy Hook)
I have worked in the town close to the former school since 1981.
I have seen almost all the ridiculous conspiracy videos that have been put up on YouTube about the Sandy Hook Shootings. It has become my hobby to watch things like this. They don't offend me. I think that they reflect the grieving process that we all go through when confronting something as crazy as the Sandy Hook Shootings, or 9-11 for that matter. They actually help us heal in a strange sort of way. The imagination of thinking about conspiricies helps us cope on a phycological level. Our creativeness to invent these wild theories heals us. When we compose our view though videos, our minds process both the evidence, and fabricated evidence and we somehow come to terms with the unthinkable. It makes us feel good to have solved a mystery, or created more controversy. It depends on our inner feelings at the time. I know that this post will not make sense to many who do not understand the conspiracy theory philosophy. I didn't either, until recently. I had to be directly touched by it to come to terms with my true feelings.
Bob,I argee,as long as these things are taken at face value.They are mostly the work of dot connectors,utilizing the "post hoc,ergo propter hoc" applied logic.In other words,event Y ,followed event X,then event Y ,must have been caused by event X.

I have seen some crazy stuff in an over 20 year career with the NYPD.Some of it was actually true,most of it was just the product of over imagination,and sometimes,mental illness.

My career ,is based on collecting facts,which are verifiable,and demonsterable,which may or may not,verify a working theory.We just didn't line the pieces up on the board ,to make our theory fit the event.It all had to line up,through its own fruition,or we no matter what our gut said,we rejected it because of probable cause,couldn't be met.

If probable caus,couldn't be met,then the standard of" beyond a reasonable doubt",couldn't be met at trial.That standard MUST be met.or everything else is just conjecture,which amounts to circumstantial evidence.

The bigger the claim,the greater the factual evidence MUST be.Single ,unconnected "facts" are 99% of the time,circumstantial,and happenstance.

As much as these thing often help the healing process as i agree with,they can also create false hope,and keep the wound that was healing,from doing so.Boogie men around every tree,ghosts in the machine.

Sometime,people can't accept the explaination,though simple it may be,and Occams Razor,dosen't make sense to them.People want a larger,more complicated reason that a tragedy occured.A conspiracy theory,can be as comforting,as closure to some people.

I wish I had the answer for a victims next of kin,everytime,the'd ask me...why?Sometimes,you'll never know.

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Bob,I argee,as long as these things are taken at face value.They are mostly the work of dot connectors,utilizing the "post hoc,ergo propter hoc" applied logic.In other words,event Y ,followed event X,then event Y ,must have been caused by event X.

I have seen some crazy stuff in an over 20 year career with the NYPD.Some of it was actually true,most of it was just the product of over imagination,and sometimes,mental illness.

My career ,is based on collecting facts,which are verifiable,and demonsterable,which may or may not,verify a working theory.We just didn't line the pieces up on the board ,to make our theory fit the event.It all had to line up,through its own fruition,or we no matter what our gut said,we rejected it because of probable cause,couldn't be met.

If probable caus,couldn't be met,then the standard of" beyond a reasonable doubt",couldn't be met at trial.That standard MUST be met.or everything else is just conjecture,which amounts to circumstantial evidence.

The bigger the claim,the greater the factual evidence MUST be.Single ,unconnected "facts" are 99% of the time,circumstantial,and happenstance.

As much as these thing often help the healing process as i agree with,they can also create false hope,and keep the wound that was healing,from doing so.Boogie men around every tree,ghosts in the machine.

Sometime,people can't accept the explaination,though simple it may be,and Occams Razor,dosen't make sense to them.People want a larger,more complicated reason that a tragedy occured.A conspiracy theory,can be as comforting,as closure to some people.

I wish I had the answer for a victims next of kin,everytime,the'd ask me...why?Sometimes,you'll never know.

Steve B.
I've often thought that maybe the whole conspiracy theory thing is the conspiracy itself. A specialized group that has been given the go to try and distract from what is actually going on. Seems that as conspiracies get bigger and more complex, people just stop caring, and the events themselves just get lost in the shuffle. People then stop caring to an extent (minus the conspiracy junkies), and eventually the whole thing is mostly forgotten. It is like giving cake to a kid with a boo-boo just to shut them up.
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