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Old 11-01-2013, 03:46 AM
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I bought a Pork Pie snare about two weeks ago and the stock heads sounded pretty good, but the batter head is already completely shot. Maybe I'm just ranting, but if we're already spending this much money on their gear, can't they include decent heads? Is it really THAT much more expensive for them?

This goes for most major companies. Some, however, include good heads. I believe Pork Pie includes the foreign made Remos, but with a Pork Pie stamp
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:57 AM
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arent the foreign remos the same quality as remos from here?
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:57 AM
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Think of all the different heads that people choose. The odds of a drum maker choosing exactly the head a given drummer wants is pretty slim, so the heads will likely be changed anyway. Why would they waste money on a high-end head when it still probably isn't what the buyer wants?

That would be my guess.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:59 AM
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Two reasons, save cost, but also heads are a drummer's preference.
In other words, say i'm an Emperor , or Centre Dot, kinda guy and my new snare comes with an Amb? I then prefer to change it anyway.

they are not all doing it. I've gotten a new Gretsch snare and it came with a 'stock' Evans G1 head. Now, that Wasn't too bad, but of course now I've switched it out anyway....as i like an Amb.
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:16 AM
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They could ship out drumkits with only a 10mil single ply head for each drum, and 3mil snare reso head since that's what most people use I guess. Or just sell shell packs...

The biggest problem I've found with the stock heads is that they have a more narrow tuning range than quality drum heads. Worked fine on my 8" and 10", they sounded great but the larger drums were harder to tune.
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:38 AM
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Think of all the different heads that people choose. The odds of a drum maker choosing exactly the head a given drummer wants is pretty slim, so the heads will likely be changed anyway. Why would they waste money on a high-end head when it still probably isn't what the buyer wants?

That would be my guess.
That's the argument I imagine they'd put forward but then you'd think they would choose the best heads to match the kit and the buyer could trust it.

My saturns came with remo emperors/ambassadors and ps3/ps3 on the kick, sounds great.

I remember EricB posted a video of back to back recordings of the different heads and I noticed that the different heads didn't really sound THAT different in the scheme of things, as long as they weren't those cheaper china remos.
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Old 11-01-2013, 05:13 AM
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That's the argument I imagine they'd put forward but then you'd think they would choose the best heads to match the kit and the buyer could trust it.

My saturns came with remo emperors/ambassadors and ps3/ps3 on the kick, sounds great.

I remember EricB posted a video of back to back recordings of the different heads and I noticed that the different heads didn't really sound THAT different in the scheme of things, as long as they weren't those cheaper china remos.
I don't think there are "best heads to match a kit," especially judging by some of the discussions and debates here.

FWIW, I don't really have a problem with stock heads, per se. The stock heads on my Tama Silverstars sound fine, though I'm sure they aren't high end. And the Pork Pie-branded Remo that came on my Big Black worked just fine.
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My problem is that I believe the quality of the components that a company uses should reflect the company's overall quality of work. I feel it speaks poorly about them to cheap out on such an important part of a drum's sound. I know that if l were building and selling drums, I would always include quality heads. Whether or not the included heads were what some people would prefer, I could rest easily knowing that they are good quality and will last longer than the cheaper alternatives. And, well, less people would feel the need to switch the heads out as soon as they get the drum(s), because they would get a better idea of the drum's capabilities with the nicer heads than they would otherwise. Take into consideration the plethora of people who use the stock heads for quite some time. They're not experiencing as good of tone as they could be had the drum come with better quality heads. I work in the quality department of the company by which I am employed, and the problems I see the most, hands down, come from cheaping out on parts that they don't think are necessarily very important.

People keep saying that the foreign Remos are the same as the domestics. If that were really the case, Remo would be making all of their heads over there to save money. My kit came with foreign pinstripes over ambassadors. I replaced them with domestics of the same heads, and they immediately sounded much better.
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My problem is that I believe the quality of the components that a company uses should reflect the company's overall quality of work. I feel it speaks poorly about them to cheap out on such an important part of a drum's sound. I know that if l were building and selling drums, I would always include quality heads.
US-made drums normally come with US-made Evans, Remo or Aquarian heads. US companies that import some of their drums usually outfit them with Asian-made heads that help keep the price lower. If you were building and selling US drums, you'd do it your way. If you had a line of imports, you'd look at the bottom line and include the cheaper heads.

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They're not, nor are the Asian "Evans" or "Ludwig" heads comparable to the US versions. It's a given that the non-US heads normally need quick replacement. That shouldn't be held against the particular drum or head companies, it's strictly business.

Suppose you're an Evans guy, and a drum arrives with Remo heads, and you've paid a premium for those heads. But you're only going to replace them with your faves anyway, so why not keep the price down at the start? The companies are smart... they already know this. If there's any reflection on the company, it's that they are doing their best to keep costs down while offering options (yes, so they can sell more product.) I'm perfectly happy with cheap heads, it means I can go straight to my preferred heads without having to spend much on the ones I don't like.

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What would be interesting is if companies shipped drums without heads, and deducted that from the cost of the set. Of course, if you're buying from a brick & mortar store, that would be difficult, but for the majority of internet purchases made, they should ship without heads and at a $150 discount since you're going to spend that on the heads you want anyway.
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Suppose you're an Evans guy, and a drum arrives with Remo heads, and you've paid a premium for those heads. But you're only going to replace them with your faves anyway, so why not keep the price down at the start?

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I think a fussy person would do that. I would just play the heads it came with until they were shot.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:05 AM
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I think a fussy person would do that. I would just play the heads it came with until they were shot.
But what if you endorse the non-supplied company & have a gig the next day? I don't think that's fussy, nor a situation where someone just prefers a different manufacturer.
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It's called value engineering. They'll squeeze out every nickel they can get away with if it doesn't take away from the bottom line and only helps to increase it.

I was fine with the Remo heads when I got my Pork Pie BOB snare drum. I still use the reso head. Why not? Awhile back when I got a new Ddrum snare, that drum's stock head was a different story. Maybe if I would have changed out that stock head I could have had a better appreciation for that drum. Maybe I just like metal snare drums.(?)

I am really reluctant to change out the stock heads on this GP set that I use with my garage band. They actually sound really good still. Of course it doesn't hurt that the guy who owns the kit is a drum tech, amongst other titles, who knows how to tune - and play good for that matter. Somebody left the kit with him for safe keeping, but I do most of the playing on that kit, so I added a few personal touches of my own to the kit.
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But what if you endorse the non-supplied company & have a gig the next day?
Then you cry, because life is so difficult.
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Suppose you're an Evans guy, and a drum arrives with Remo heads, and you've paid a premium for those heads. But you're only going to replace them with your faves anyway, so why not keep the price down at the start? The companies are smart... they already know this. If there's any reflection on the company, it's that they are doing their best to keep costs down while offering options (yes, so they can sell more product.) I'm perfectly happy with cheap heads, it means I can go straight to my preferred heads without having to spend much on the ones I don't like.

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But what if you endorse the non-supplied company & have a gig the next day? I don't think that's fussy, nor a situation where someone just prefers a different manufacturer.
If you endorse the company, you probably get a great deal on their products, so it wouldn't be as big of a deal to replace the stock heads as it would be to your average drummer.

Those of us who are on a tight budget can't always afford to replace the stock heads, especially after we just spent so much on the drum(s). I don't really have the money to buy a new snare head, on account of some medical and dental bills that recently arose, but I'm going to have to scrape together some cash and buy one anyway, because I have a gig tonight. Had they provided better heads, I wouldn't have to replace the head so soon. Even had they charged a little extra for the price of the drum, that would have been fine. I would have been willing to pay a bit more for the drum if it had come with decent heads. I don't really think I should HAVE to pay more for something that, to me, should be such a given, but I'm willing to if that's how it has to be.

To me, it's kind of like buying a car. You know that, eventually, you'll have to replace the brake pads, but you also know that the pads which came on the car are of decent quality, and will last quite some time before you have to worry about it. They don't sell you a car with brake pads that fall apart after a few months, because they want that vehicle to function perfectly, as soon as you get it, and function properly for some time before you have to replace any parts. Sure, you can replace all the parts you want with what you would prefer, but you don't HAVE to quickly replace parts to make sure the vehicle is still drivable.
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I think a fussy person would do that. I would just play the heads it came with until they were shot.
You don't have to be fussy to know that some of the 'cheap' heads are worse than others, even the supposedly non-critical snare side.

I always give the heads a chance, but I'm also prepared to make a quick change if necessary. When I take my new SupraLite 5x15" on a gig, I will have either changed the heads already, or will bring fresh 15" batter & snare sides with so I can change between sets if needed. Nothing worse than the batter constantly softening/denting as you play.

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You don't have to be fussy to know that some of the 'cheap' heads are worse than others, even the supposedly non-critical snare side.

I always give the heads a chance, but I'm also prepared to make a quick change if necessary. When I take my new SupraLite 5x15" on a gig, I will have either changed the heads already, or will bring fresh 15" batter & snare sides with so I can change between sets if needed. Nothing worse than the batter constantly softening/denting as you play.

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Im still using the stock Ludwig heads that came on my Supralite. Not dented at all and breaking in nicely. Its like a coated Emperor or something. Are you being a little biased towards Evans for endorsement reasons and not giving the heads a chance??
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Im still using the stock Ludwig heads that came on my Supralite. Not dented at all and breaking in nicely. Its like a coated Emperor or something. Are you being a little biased towards Evans for endorsement reasons and not giving the heads a chance??
I'm not biased for endorsement reasons, I do give the heads a chance, and that's how I know that there are such variances in quality and usability compared to US-made heads. I do plan to take my new drum out with its current heads, knowing that they may or may not work well for me.

But head preferrences aren't limited to US over Asian, I typically change heads on my US drums because they're just not the type of head I prefer on the drum in question. When my Ludwig Keystone toms showed up with Evans G2 Clear batters, I changed them to G12s and G1s. When my Legacies showed up with Ludwig Coated Mediums on the toms, I changed all of those as well. New Ludwig (US) snares occasionally get a new batter from the start, but now always. Also, I typically leave the Ludwig snare side on until it needs replacement.

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What would be interesting is if companies shipped drums without heads, and deducted that from the cost of the set. Of course, if you're buying from a brick & mortar store, that would be difficult, but for the majority of internet purchases made, they should ship without heads and at a $150 discount since you're going to spend that on the heads you want anyway.
Great idea! Or, instead of no heads, they could install "paper" heads that would just serve the purpose of keeping the hoops in place.
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Great idea! Or, instead of no heads, they could install "paper" heads that would just serve the purpose of keeping the hoops in place.
That's what I've always thought too.

I look at stock heads as nothing more than a space filler anyway. I've almost always switched them out before I even played on them.

The only stock head I use today is the bass drum reso on my Ludwigs.
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That's what I've always thought too.

I look at stock heads as nothing more than a space filler anyway. I've almost always switched them out before I even played on them.

The only stock head I use today is the bass drum reso on my Ludwigs.
I always used the stock resonant heads..................only changed the batter. Still today, I only change my resos every few years.
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Imagine how much money could be saved on shipping if they shipped those drum sets with no heads, shells nested together, with the hoops and hardware in a separate box. Then sell them with a voucher for a free set of heads of your choice.
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Imagine how much money could be saved on shipping if they shipped those drum sets with no heads, shells nested together, with the hoops and hardware in a separate box. Then sell them with a voucher for a free set of heads of your choice.
My kit came with the drums nested together, and they held the rims secure to the lugs with little rubber spacers around the tension rods, so they wouldn't move. It was pretty genius packaging. The heads were in the same box, on top of everything. They could have just not included the heads. I'm still using the stock kick heads, though. It came with foreign PS3s, and they sound surprisingly good after some dampening.
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I like how alot of Pearl and Yamaha kits come stock with good USA made Remo heads. Even if they come with Emperors and I want Ambassadors, it's still nice to have a new set of Emperors sitting there to experiment with in the future, use on another kit, etc...
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It would be nice if drum companies offered an option to purchase a drum with the heads of your choice.

Say I want a 3.5x13" snare from company "X" and want an Aquarian Hi-Energy head. There is no reason that I shouldn't be able to get the drum the way I want when I order it. If Aquarian, Remo, and Evans supply heads to US makers, wouldn't it make sense for the drum manufacturers to have agreements with all 3? It should make no difference what so ever to the drum company what kind of heads the buyer wants, as they sell drums, not heads (yes I know some companies make their own heads). So wouldn't it make sense for company "X" to offer the drum I want with different head choices? It might actually make a consumer more interested in their drum if the buyer could get it the way they want instead of getting something they think they want after a head change. But then the drum may not be what they want, but how would they know if the ability to try a drum set up the way they want is not an option until after purchase?
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:13 PM
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Variation on the OP question re the bad sounds of stock heads--
Can anyone with a Sonor Safari advise if the stock BD reso head needs to be replaced?
I replaced the batter on the 16" BD with an Evans 360 Black Chrome and found it to be very tunable and deep in sound, but to optimize, should the stock reso be replaced, or does this not really affect the sound enough to bother?
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It would be nice if drum companies offered an option to purchase a drum with the heads of your choice.
That's what many boutique builders offer, and I think it's a good idea for a small company (read: a couple of guys in a garage) that's not buying huigh quantities of heads which might entittle them to special direct-pricing from one head manufacturer or another.

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It basically doesn't make a difference, although drum companies often have a pricing agreement with one of the big 3, and straying might cause that agrement to be cancelled, and head prices may be higher with another supplier.

DW's heads are made by Remo. Yes, that crimped collar is done by Remo... at DW's request. :)

But in the case of Ludwig, who does manufacture their own heads, they still supply Evans on at least one of their US lines (Keystone) and I suspect they'd put Evans on the other drums if requested.

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Yeah, I agree with you on that... I was very happy to get rid of the stock heads on my stage custom (finally).

I was talking about getting a set of drums with US remo emperors, when your preference is evans g2's (as an example). I'm pretty sure most dudes will play the remos until they're worn out then put the g2's on.
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I was talking about getting a set of drums with US remo emperors, when your preference is evans g2's (as an example). I'm pretty sure most dudes will play the remos until they're worn out then put the g2's on.
Unfortunately, not everything is going to be 100% custom unless you go with a boutique builder who offers head options (and more.) I imagine guitar and horn players go through the same thing replacing stock strings and mouthpieces, etc.

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That's what many boutique builders offer, and I think it's a good idea for a small company (read: a couple of guys in a garage) that's not buying huigh quantities of heads which might entittle them to special direct-pricing from one head manufacturer or another.
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That choice isn't just open to "a couple of guys in a garage" Jon, it's a choice for all drum manufacturers supplying to customer order. It's a cost thing - period.

I have no issue with drum companies supplying low cost heads. If you buy based largely on price, then guess what, the drum company supplies based largely on price.

We supply exactly what the customer requires. If the customer doesn't state a preference, we supply heads we believe (& have tested as such) represent the broadest talent foundation for the instrument. We have OEM direct pricing from all three main head manufacturers, & those manufacturers are very happy to work with us. Our default head supply is Evans, & on snares, it's G1 coated over Hazy 300 + Puresound blaster wires every time.

The cost difference between main line quality heads & branded Asian sourced heads is very considerable, much more so than the drum buying public realise. Same deal with lugs & other hardware. The multiplier is huge.

With many company retail & distribution models, bear in mind that the price you pay is on another scale compared to material & factored component cost. Applied to the average ply kit production model, that $1,000 kit you buy from the store, has a total component & material cost (including shells, but excluding labour) of around $200. Using that same model, imagine how much a $20 uplift in heads cost makes to the store price. This is why you get cheap heads with many kits.
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Unfortunately, not everything is going to be 100% custom unless you go with a boutique builder who offers head options (and more.) I imagine guitar and horn players go through the same thing replacing stock strings and mouthpieces, etc.

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Guitar was my primary instrument for 25 years and the first thing I did when buying a new OR used guitar was to change the strings to my preferred brand/size. I guess it's different, because it was only like $5.00 for a pack of strings compared to $100+ to change heads on a drum set.

I still like to get "nice" stock heads on kits, whether or not it's the brand/model I use. I chuck them to the side to experiment with later or use as backups. I probably wouldn't do that if they were crappy stock heads.
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Guitar was my primary instrument for 25 years and the first thing I did when buying a new OR used guitar was to change the strings to my preferred brand/size. I guess it's different, because it was only like $5.00 for a pack of strings compared to $100+ to change heads on a drum set.
Good point about the strings. Not to mention that guitar strings, typically being made of nickel, steel, brass, etc., can oxidize quickly, especially after sitting in a store and being played by numerous people, and there's just not much that can be done about that, because we know that the average person, trying out a guitar, doesn't wipe it down when they're done. I guess the best way would be to just throw in a free pack of your choice with the purchase of the guitar.

Most drum kits don't sit on display for anybody to just play around with, because they take up so much space. Usually there will be a few kits set up, and the rest stacked up in the back on shelves or something. Of course, stacking the drums puts tension on the heads, but they don't have people playing them constantly to kill the tone.

This idea of selling drums without heads is starting to sound better and better. But then, of course, you couldn't really try the kit out at the store, unless maybe they kept a few sets of 'demo heads' on hand
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I was talking about getting a set of drums with US remo emperors, when your preference is evans g2's (as an example). I'm pretty sure most dudes will play the remos until they're worn out then put the g2's on.
I've always swpaped out stock heads. On all the snares that I've bought, even if it came with a real US Remo, I swapped it out for my usual head.

I usually save the Remo heads for autographs or something.
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It would be nice if drum companies offered an option to purchase a drum with the heads of your choice.
It would be nice if a fast food restaurant would let you purchase a meal with the cola of your choice (Pepsi OR Coke).
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I find it hard to believe that stock heads are really as bad as people think. Im sure the manufacturers don't put heads on that make their drums sound like crap, if they did, who would fall in love with the sound and buy the drums? If you like the sound in the store, bring it home and play those heads. If you don't like the sound, your kind of taking an expensive chance ( on the kit and new heads) to see if makes the sound you want when its all changed out. People think the heads they are used to will work on any drums across the board, its just not the case. Drums without heads is a dumb idea. id rather not be hit with the unseen cost of heads when buying a kit. I don't know but does DW put crap heads on their kits? if so, that may explain the glut of used DW kits on the market, everyone thought their new heads would get the sound they were looking for but didn't.
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I find it hard to believe that stock heads are really as bad as people think.
They're certainly workable and they'll satisfy most beginners until they're shot. But generally speaking, they don't get swapped out for no reason mate. Daylight separates a proper Remo from a Remo UT on an Asian imported kit. The difference is noticeable even to the untrained ear......under the scrutiny of a drummer who's been at it for a while and knows exactly what kind of sound he wants from his drums, there's no comparison. I'd wager the vast majority of experienced players would swap them out immediately. I know I do. You can still gauge the overall characteristics of the drum you're buying, even with crappy heads.....but you know you'll be able to bring it alive by swapping them out.
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I find it hard to believe that stock heads are really as bad as people think. Im sure the manufacturers don't put heads on that make their drums sound like crap, if they did, who would fall in love with the sound and buy the drums? If you like the sound in the store, bring it home and play those heads. If you don't like the sound, your kind of taking an expensive chance ( on the kit and new heads) to see if makes the sound you want when its all changed out. People think the heads they are used to will work on any drums across the board, its just not the case. Drums without heads is a dumb idea. id rather not be hit with the unseen cost of heads when buying a kit. I don't know but does DW put crap heads on their kits? if so, that may explain the glut of used DW kits on the market, everyone thought their new heads would get the sound they were looking for but didn't.
Every time I've changed from stock heads to a US made Evans or Remo head, I've ALWAYS noticed an immediate and drastic improvement in the sound, even when using the same tuning. Sure, stock heads can sound pretty good, but what really gets to me is their longevity. I had that foreign Remo on my snare for two weeks before it was full of craters. I've never had that happen on any US Ambassadors after months of use. I replaced the foreign head with an Evans G1, and not only does it sound much better, but after about five hours of playing, there is barely a mark on the head. I have all the proof I need to believe that stock heads often suck.
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They're certainly workable and they'll satisfy most beginners until they're shot. But generally speaking, they don't get swapped out for no reason mate. Daylight separates a proper Remo from a Remo UT on an Asian imported kit. The difference is noticeable even to the untrained ear......under the scrutiny of a drummer who's been at it for a while and knows exactly what kind of sound he wants from his drums, there's no comparison. I'd wager the vast majority of experienced players would swap them out immediately. I know I do. You can still gauge the overall characteristics of the drum you're buying, even with crappy heads.....but you know you'll be able to bring it alive by swapping them out.

if your swapping them out, how did you decide you likes the drums in the first place? certainly not the sound right?
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if your swapping them out, how did you decide you likes the drums in the first place? certainly not the sound right?
As I said, you can gauge the characteristics of the drum even with a Remo UT on it.....but you can bring that drum alive by using a quality head. After nearly 30 years of buying intermediate kits with stock heads I know that there's a remarkable difference between a Remo UT and a Remo USA. I've proven it to myself time and time again by making the switch.....to the point that I don't even bother with stock heads any more. That is how convinced I am that there's a difference. Never have I had to return a drum because I didn't like how it sounded once I put a quality head on it.....just like no-one ever sent back a car after replacing stock components with performance components. That argument is a bridge too far. It makes it sound better is all. It's worth swapping. This is the first time I've ever seen this disputed. Until now, I thought it was just an accepted fact. :-)
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