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Old 10-19-2013, 09:34 PM
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Default gibraltar rack or pearl icon?

does any body know the weight of the gibraltar front rack?

i held the top bar of the icon rack and i could tell it was extremely heavy duty, does anybody have the gibraltar rack that can tell me if it is also heavy duty?

i want to order a rack, just front rack for now but i will eventually expand.


i like the gibraltar because of the manoeuvrability and the customisation options available

i like the pearl icon because there is no chance of slipping and to what i felt, it was extremely heavy duty.

anybody have either of these that can tell me the weight of them?

your opinions would help me so much, thank you:)
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Old 10-19-2013, 09:59 PM
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Default Re: gibraltar rack or pearl icon?

I used to own the Pearl DR-110, the predecessor to the Icon rack. While heavy (maybe 20lb), the thing was built like a tank, and I imagine the Icon rack is too.

Coincidentally, a friend of mine owned a Gibralter curved rack. His toms and a few cymbals would slowly fall over time due to the clamps slipping on the rack.

When buying a rack (or anything for that matter), form MUST follow function. Does it do what you want without issue? Will you have to modify/fix/replace things to keep it working properly?

Save yourself any future headaches and disappointment and get the Icon rack. Or any Pearl rack for that matter. They all have the square tubing, are built like tanks, and the DR-110 and DR-80 (which is still being manufactured) can be broken down into 5 parts and folded up really compactly in like a minute with only an allen wrench.
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Old 10-19-2013, 10:09 PM
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If you use memory locks correctly there is no chance of slipping.
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Old 10-19-2013, 10:36 PM
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If you use memory locks correctly there is no chance of slipping.
Watch this:
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I have a Pearl rack and it's a beast.
the only thing that feels annoying is this:
Yamaha? Round pipes. Tama? Round pipes. Gibraltar? Round pipes. DW? Round pipes.
Pearl? Square pipes...

so IF you decide that your rack doesn't fit you anymore and wanna buy a new one, your Pearl clamps will surely be useless for any other brand.
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Old 10-19-2013, 11:48 PM
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If you use memory locks correctly there is no chance of slipping.
Watch this:
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So you have to spend more money on memory locks to prevent slipping. Not only more money, but more parts to deal with.

The Pearl clamps don't need memory locks because once you tighten them down, they don't move at all. Seems like another advantage to me.
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Old 10-20-2013, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: gibraltar rack or pearl icon?

The slippage really depends on the weight. I have a Gibraltar, and I only had to use a memory lock on my 14x14 floor tom that I rack mounted. If you get the clamps tight enough (and it's not a large drum) memory locks are not needed unless you tear down and set up a lot.
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Old 10-20-2013, 09:44 PM
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Gibraltar is cheaper, more durable and sturdy because they only focus hardware, more customizable, more mounting options, and allows more creativity. Whats not to love?
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:03 AM
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Excuse me, but one memory lock is 8 bucks. That's not exactly going to break the bank unless you're a ten year old with a tiny allowance.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:29 PM
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Default Re: gibraltar rack or pearl icon?

i am 15 with a paper round which i get about 60/$100 a month so i cant really get any mega bucks gear so thats why i was thinking gibraltar
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: gibraltar rack or pearl icon?

I've used both Pearl and Gibraltar racks. I sold the Pearl, and the currently still have a Gibraltar rack. For ease of use, and set up, the Gibraltar wins all day long. They have the most amount of different clamps (Pearl have three [for the Icon], while Gibraltar have about 15+), plus there's the simple matter of infinite adjustment that you can only get on a round rack bar.

While it's true that it's impossible to get clamp slip on a square rack bar, I've been using Gibraltar racks for 10yrs+ and not had any slip. And it's not like I use light drums - my kit is the Pearl CZX, with 10, 12, 13 and 14" rack toms that are 8ply/10mm thick shells. The 14x12 easily weighs in at about the same as most "normal" 16" floor toms. I also don't play my toms flat - they are angled, and boomed in from the rack (not sitting over the horizontal rack bar) making the centre of gravity probably 10-12" from the point the tom arm clamps to the rack. This exerts a lot of downward pressure. Yes I do memory lock the clamps up, as well you should, but as someone already said, you'll find you don't actually need locks on every single thing. Locks serve two purposes; 1) they are a "memory" lock, and if you're a gigging drummer, are a godsend for getting the same set up everytime, and 2) they are a memory "lock" which adds stability by increasing the surface grab area and splitting it across two parts.

There are three things that will cause a clamp on a round rack to slip;

1) not using memory locks on heavy items that are boomed out laterally
2) under tightening clamps
3) over tightening clamps - on mild steel racks, this will deform the bar, and essentially crush is, making it not fit the clamp properly anymore. Quite why Gibraltar sell a tool that allows you to exert more pressure than is needed on a clamps T-handle is beyond me. You should never need to tighten a T-handle more than you can with your own hands, and you certainly never need to tighten them so much you need a tool to do it with. Maybe it's just for wimps/girls? :D
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:17 PM
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Excuse me, but one memory lock is 8 bucks. That's not exactly going to break the bank unless you're a ten year old with a tiny allowance.
I don't understand how people can think (and talk) this way.
the perks of living in a piss poor country I guess...
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Old 10-25-2013, 07:08 AM
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If you use memory locks correctly there is no chance of slipping.
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXxGzFOECPo
I feel the need to point out that Brent says there is no drum set in the world which weighs 200lbs, when in fact Danny Carey's bronze Ocheltree kit weighs significantly more than that :P

As for the issue at hand, both racks will serve you well. I have a Dixon Flexi-Rack (Dixon is owned by Gibraltar, and all their rack pieces are interchangeable) and I must say I have zero issues with slippage, and the rack is very sturdy. Needless to say, the Icon rack will be just as good. Both are excellent racks.
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Old 10-26-2013, 03:18 PM
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i am 15 with a paper round which i get about 60/$100 a month so i cant really get any mega bucks gear so thats why i was thinking gibraltar
I feel you out bro. When I was 13 I was detasseling and thought about hardware and cymbals and drums 24/7. I would go used IMO. Keep in mind detasseling is good money but 500 bucks a year is hard on your drum set: you can't expand her. I wanted good stuff for dirt cheap prices. I have a question Charlie how big is your kit?
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Old 10-26-2013, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: gibraltar rack or pearl icon?

i also have a question about the gibraltar rack.... i was wondering if they all wobble a bit? the one at my local GC i shop, has one set up but the legs wobble. its right where the leg meets the long feet. it looks like theres black piece that hooks them together. is there a way to tighten it so it does wobble? or is it because that particular rack is loose?
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Old 10-27-2013, 01:24 AM
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Default Re: gibraltar rack or pearl icon?

Could be a couple of things. It isn't level a leg isn't straight. Mine really didn't move until I put a bar up high to add my cymbals.
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Old 10-27-2013, 01:35 AM
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hmmmm... is there a screw like under the leg where the 2 poles meet with the black connector? i didnt have the chance to go to my GC today and check it out
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Old 10-27-2013, 01:37 AM
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yes there is. Drum key to tighten.
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Old 10-27-2013, 01:51 AM
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yes there is. Drum key to tighten.
thanks soulfly!

i just wanted to make sure before i get myself into trouble with wobbling racks.
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Old 10-27-2013, 02:04 AM
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I have the pearl. I much prefer the squareness as you know nothing CAN slip. It was cheap and it was available when I bought it (sort of an impulse buy), otherwise I might have gotten the yamaha hex rack.
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Old 10-27-2013, 02:54 PM
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i just wanted to make sure before i get myself into trouble with wobbling racks.
You will literally want a level with you when you put it together. I used a cheap 1 foot magnetic one. That will really ensure a level rack. That would be any rack you get, not just Gibraltar.
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Old 10-27-2013, 05:22 PM
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You will literally want a level with you when you put it together. I used a cheap 1 foot magnetic one. That will really ensure a level rack. That would be any rack you get, not just Gibraltar.
ok. understood! now i play the waiting game for my pay check
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Old 10-28-2013, 01:47 PM
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I feel you out bro. When I was 13 I was detasseling and thought about hardware and cymbals and drums 24/7. I would go used IMO. Keep in mind detasseling is good money but 500 bucks a year is hard on your drum set: you can't expand her. I wanted good stuff for dirt cheap prices. I have a question Charlie how big is your kit?
i have a tama starclassic bubinga, 2 rack toms (10", 12"), 1 floor tom (16x14"), 1 bass drum (22x18") 1 snare (14x6") then i have 2 crashes (16", 18"), 1 ride (20") 1 pair of hi hats (14")

the cymbals are all from the sabian aax-plosion cymbal set.

i am looking to expand my cymbal set up with a couple of chinas and a few more crashes.


i saved up for about 2-3 years for this inc. birthday and christmas money, i bought the drum kit for 900/$1,450 as it was second hand from a local music store which was in immaculate condition.
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