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Old 10-09-2013, 04:21 PM
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I guess I initially wrote a tirade about how this would ,no doubt ,become about pro and anti gun.

It's funny how the uninformed will offer an opinion based on what the media tells them,instead of doing due diligance and actually investigating the subject.

And yes...I am actually an expert in the field,having testified in a court of law on hundreds of occasions,on behalf of the NYPD on the subject of firearns and ballistics,having been deemed an expert in the field by the courts,because of training an experience.

Maybe some actual...... factual ,research should be done here,so an informed opinion can be made reguarding the subject.That would encompass......anti.....as well as pro gun stats.

This isn't a one way street...not by a long shot(pun intended),so lets not go off half cocked(pun intended).

If you don't like guns...that's just fine..........but if you do...responsibly......that's fine too.

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Another aspect of gun ownership that I didn't realize until a few years after owning a few of my own was respecting that many people are uncomfortable around guns. I don't subscribe to the "shove it down their throats" style of ownership. I prefer discretion. While I might not understand the fear some people have for guns, I still respect it because if our roles were reversed, I would want my feelings to be respected.
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Old 10-09-2013, 05:35 PM
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The argument about guns and the US has no end. I don't think taking away guns will stop violent crime. People will then start killing each other with knives, baseball bats, cars.
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Thats true, but then you can't take out tens of innocent people in a movie theatre or othe r public place with a baseball bat, can you?
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Thats true, but then you can't take out tens of innocent people in a movie theatre or othe r public place with a baseball bat, can you?
Don't be so negative, OT - you can do *anything* if you try!

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Old 10-09-2013, 09:28 PM
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Why are we all denied the right to carry machine guns? Criminals have them so why does the interfering government draw the line at semi automatic weapons? The world would be a happier place if everyone walked around with an Uzi on their shoulder - especially undertakers and chiropractors ...
In the US, the demise of fully automatic firearms was the National Firearms Act of 1934. J. Edgar Hoover was the Director of the Bureau of Investigation (which in 1935 became the FBI) and pushed the legislation. In those days, machine gun toting gangsters offered "protection" for small shop owners. If you didn't accept their offer of "protection," your unprotected shop became a statistic. Since it was legal, many shop owners bought their own machine guns to protect themselves from the "protectors."

Gangsters found themselves in a pickle - outgunned and potentially out of work, they went to the only source that could fix the problem: J. Edgar Hoover! Being somewhat of a gangster himself, he spearheaded the NFA of 1934 and VOILA!, the gangsters were back in business!

Today, it's no different. Criminals ignore the laws and put us responsible folks in jeopardy. Government wants to make it so I cannot protect my family and property. Shouldn't I be legally allowed to possess the same firepower as my enemy as long as I don't endanger my neighbor?
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With our current world problems with overpopulation maybe everyone should be issued with a machine gun?

Weird that so many Americans seem so intent on waging war on each other, pretty well handing world leadership to China on a silver platter.

All great civilisations eventually self destruct ... it's a damn shame but you guys have to destroy yourselves in your own way. Try not to take us Aussies down with you if you can help it ...
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Just remembered this incident from the other night. While sharing the kit with the stickers on it, during a song I noticed a red dot on the floor, looked up and the singer from the other band had a pistol out with a laser sight on it. He pointed it at the floor halfway between me and him, finger off the trigger, just making a point in conversation to the drummer next to him. I was a little uneasy. We are friends so I feel there was no danger but I didn't really know how to react to it. I thought it was a stupid thing to do, they were dinking and you just never know. everyone else had a laugh about it but it wasn't the place.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:13 AM
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Shouldn't I be legally allowed to possess the same firepower as my enemy as long as I don't endanger my neighbor?
Absouletly you should. Then your deranged son or daughter can gain access to it and take out school children.

That's only fair, right? I mean, that particular owner had "rights" to defend her home with military style weapons.....and was "responsible" in exercising those rights......stored her military style 30 round clip asault weapon responsibly, so that she was never gonna endanger her neighbour. The fact that no-one stopped to consider the proximity of the weapon to an idiot son, is rather an annoying oversight though.

Still, as long as someone's legal right to live doesn't infringe on your legal right to wave assault weapons around, I think it's alright too.


*For the record, I am not "anti gun". I am just pro common sense and as such would like to throw a different persepective on your argument. I know it's impossible to account for all the "what if's".......but nonetheless, they've gotta be worth at least some consideration and discussion, no?*



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Weird that so many Americans seem so intent on waging war on each other, pretty well handing world leadership to China on a silver platter.
As an outsider looking in, it's bloody hilarious G. Talk about missing the forrest for the trees.

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Try not to take us Aussies down with you
Actually then again, maybe it's not so funny after all. We're treading an all too familiar path here too.
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That's only fair, right? I mean, that particular owner had "rights" to defend her home with military style weapons.....and was "responsible" in exercising those rights......stored her military style 30 round clip asault weapon responsibly, so that she was never gonna endanger her neighbour. The fact that no-one stopped to consider the proximity of the weapon to an idiot son, is rather an annoying oversight though.

Still, as long as someone's legal right to live doesn't infringe on your legal right to wave assault weapons around, I think it's alright too.


*For the record, I am not "anti gun". I am just pro common sense and as such would like to throw a different persepective on your argument. I know it's impossible to account for all the "what if's".......but nonetheless, they've gotta be worth at least some consideration and discussion, no?*

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That man's mother is retarded. So - like I said:

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#2 Person with mental condition (in this case 2 - man with problems, mom in denial, doesn't recognize symptoms, and doesn't act accordingly)
#3 Soft target - school grounds don't allow guns.

Interesting, though (not responding specifically), I've used guns for a major portion of my adult life in my prior profession, I've had guns since I was 19, I've had 5 children living at my house, oldest 3 are gone - none of my kids killed anyone with them (to my knowledge).

How on Earth is this possible? Why haven't they killed hundreds of people? Some of my kids could even teach some here what sight picture is, and how to squeeeeeeze the trigger, not pull.
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:19 AM
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My guardian angel protects me. I have nothing to fear but fear itself. Now if the lights go out and there is mass hysteria, I'll have to brush up on my whittling and slingshot skills.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:22 AM
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I know it's impossible to account for all the "what if's".......but nonetheless, they've gotta be worth at least some consideration and discussion, no?*
Ya got me there PFOG. The "what-if's" are the devil in the details. But I can only speak for "what I've experienced."

My kids (3 boys) are all grown and ready to commit atrocities of their own. I can't defend their actions, but if I've a gun, I may be able to stop them!?!

I really wish that firearms weren't necessary, but I firmly believe that only I can account for my own future. I don't think that my government can provide my health care, provide for my retirement or secure my personal protection. The government has no idea how I want to live my elder-years and can only be re-active (not pro-active) in making my household safe.

That being said, only I can ensure my (and my family's) ultimate future - to the best of my ability.

I'm not trying to convert anyone, and apologize in advance for any misconceptions of my type-written word. It'd be best if we could discuss my point of view face-to-face over a beer, but this will have to do for now. In short, I'd like to retain responsibility over as many facets of my life as possible - so that when, at the end of my life, I won't have cause to question culpability.
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I'm surrounding my house with land-mines, motion detectors, flame-throwers, and laser sighted bazookas. My daughter will be safe then from all of the sickos here in New Jersey.
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Old 10-10-2013, 05:20 AM
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With our current world problems with overpopulation maybe everyone should be issued with a machine gun?

Weird that so many Americans seem so intent on waging war on each other, pretty well handing world leadership to China on a silver platter.

All great civilisations eventually self destruct ... it's a damn shame but you guys have to destroy yourselves in your own way. Try not to take us Aussies down with you if you can help it ...
Over-population and gun ownership are both different concerns, though one is sure to fix the other. You pick!!! I'm not qualified... I've carried a machine gun off-and-on for 15 years and haven't killed a soul. Yet.

US citizens waging war amongst themselves? We did that back in the 1860's and the North won. Now-a-days, civil war in the States is mostly just drug dealers.

World leadership to China? The US government sold that title back in the Clinton era and it's only getting worse with our current national debt. I'm not too happy about it either. Personal responsibility extends from individuals to countries too, I think.

Gun ownership doesn't necessarily equal self destruction. I've got 54 years of experience, though tomorrow is another day. In 2011, Australia was 4th from the top of the list of US foreign military sales dollars - might want to contact your elected officials! If it was up to me, there wouldn't be foreign military sales, but I'm just a citizen, so what do I know.

I love ya, Grea. I really wish we could continue this debate over a beer. Doubtful there would be any converts, but at least you'd better understand my point of view, and vice-versa, too! I'm sure you'd agree that most gun advocates aren't complete homicidal idiots - though I'll agree there are some exceptions. In the USA, it's estimated that the gun ownership rate is 89 per 100 souls with about 31,000 annual firearm related fatalities. That's a rate of about 0.01%. Automobile owners in the US, as a group, can't claim that level of safety.

I'm not trying to poo-poo the loss of a single soul - even one fatality is too many, but if you want to compare apples to apples...

Enjoy your vacation in the Motherland - give my best to the DW sisters and brothers!

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Old 10-10-2013, 05:52 AM
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I'm surrounding my house with land-mines, motion detectors, flame-throwers, and laser sighted bazookas. My daughter will be safe then from all of the sickos here in New Jersey.
And the post-man/woman, too!

Sorry, Jeff - couldn't help it. I advocate a high level of personal responsibility - with that also goes a high level of personal protection. Benjamin Franklin said, "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." I guess that makes me a Libertarian, though I'm not one for labels.

While I don't think there's a bogeyman behind every tree, I should be prepared to defend myself against the worst typical threat to me and my home. Not to denigrate the local police force, but in most cases, they can only respond after a crime is committed.

You buy health insurance in case of a medical catastrophe, homeowner's insurance in case of a total dwelling loss, auto insurance against a vehicle loss, etc. Why are gun owners vilified for being pro-active? I'd posit the theory that teen-agers behind the wheel of a car are many times more likely to take a life than the average US gun owner. Yet, we call it a right of passage and willingly hand over the car keys.

Remember that a firearm is a tool - no more or no less. It's only dangerous when in the wrong hands. But so are hammers, screwdrivers, ball-bats, pressure cookers, fertilizer, etc. The world really is a safe place - the folks with no respect for human life are and always will be the exception to the rule. Until we can fix them, I'd rather not rely on someone else for my own protection.
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We're talking about guns that were designed to kill people. It's not a side effect of their use, it's a direct consequence. It's what they do. Sure, people die in car crashes, but you'll never hear somebody saying "Only take the car out if you're prepared to kill somebody with it". On top of that, Bloomber estimates that gun deaths will outnumber car crash deaths by 2015. (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...s-by-2015.html in case anyone cares)

Over in the health care discussion we have people seeing conspiracy theories behind vaccinations, big pharma and your local GP. And yet nobody sees anything odd in the NRA being a vocal opponent of gun control*...when the NRA seems to be funded (according to a quick bit of google) to the tune of 50% of its revenue.

* Gun control. Not disarmament. Just some crazy ideas, like limiting access to assault rifles, background checks and just trying to make sure that guns aren't sold to people who shouldn't have guns.
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I'm surrounding my house with land-mines, motion detectors, flame-throwers, and laser sighted bazookas. My daughter will be safe then from all of the sickos here in New Jersey.
Yeah, yeah sure we all know it's really about the Guru's :-). Speaking of which are you planning on doing any reviews Jeff?
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Absouletly you should. Then your deranged son or daughter can gain access to it and take out school children.

That's only fair, right? I mean, that particular owner had "rights" to defend her home with military style weapons.....and was "responsible" in exercising those rights......stored her military style 30 round clip asault weapon responsibly, so that she was never gonna endanger her neighbour. The fact that no-one stopped to consider the proximity of the weapon to an idiot son, is rather an annoying oversight though.

Still, as long as someone's legal right to live doesn't infringe on your legal right to wave assault weapons around, I think it's alright too.


*For the record, I am not "anti gun". I am just pro common sense and as such would like to throw a different persepective on your argument. I know it's impossible to account for all the "what if's".......but nonetheless, they've gotta be worth at least some consideration and discussion, no?*
Deranged son or daughter - yeah, it's possible. I'd like to think that if I did my job well, my posterity wouldn't be a problem for their peers/neighbors. But, my 46 year-old little brother offed himself with a handgun, so tell that to my Dad. Yeah, ya got me there - there's no explaining insanity - but sadly, there's no legislation that can fix it either. I can only rely on me to provide for my future (certainly not the government) and I can only rely on me to protect my home and household.

The Sandy Hook killer's mom apparently didn't control her firearm or her insane son. I wish it were different. If a firearm wasn't available, would he have used a car? A bomb? In the USA, the largest loss of life from terrorist action is the New York Twin Tower/airplane incident. Next worse loss of life prior to that, was the bombing of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma by Timothy McVeigh in 1995. Prior to that was the bombing of a school in Bath, Michigan in 1927. RESPONSIBLE firearm owners aren't the problem.

Rights to defend my home? If I was your neighbor, and you could trust me with a knife, would you not trust me with a pistol? If you could trust me with a pistol, would you not trust me with an assault rifle? If you would trust me with an assault rifle, would you not trust me with a machine gun? If you'd trust me with a machine gun, would you not trust me with a fougasse? What about a nuke? Honestly, there has to be limit. I'd like to think that if my choice of personal protection didn't encroach on your safety (or maybe enhanced it!) you'd not quibble.

I'm sure most folks, like you, aren't "anti-gun" and I appreciate that - that's why intelligent dialog can only make things better for all of us. If you were my neighbor, would it be OK if I had a dog? How about a dog that barks a lot? Or a pit bull terrier? Maybe we should meet at the fence and talk about it!

Off to bed for now, John
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:33 AM
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Smoke, Clinton left office with the US enjoying a record surplus. GWB left office with the largest debt ever seen in history. I fail to see how you lost your power during the Clinton era.

No, you guys are definitely at war with yourselves and not only destroying your nation's proud legacy with mindless hatred and violence against each other but making your allies vulnerable as well.

Bloody tragic to watch the nation that gifted us jazz and rock n roll drag itself down the gurgler with blind self destructiveness. I can't say I'm pleased that you guys are dying to the tune of 30000 a year thanks to your sick relationship with guns. Nor that we are so influenced by your nation's sad illness.
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Ya, well Grea, America is a super power and power leads to corruption. Corruption like starting a war by misleading the American public. Let me just say that my heart goes out to these soldiers that have to do the dirty work, but I have never supported these wars or that BS Clinton pulled in Croatia. I have never voted Republican ever in any election. So, ya, I will fight these Republican d*bags every step of the way. For the record, I am not a Democrat either. The only Democratic presidential candidate I ever voted for was Kerry in '04, and that was in a desperate attempt to get Bush out of there. I didn't vote for Obama either. I quit voting. There is no choice anymore...obviously. Just a bunch of baboons. We, as a nation, are getting dumber too, and too many dumb people own guns. End of story.
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Rest assured, Bon, Aussies ain't getting any smarter either!

Seems that the young uns are pretty bright but the oldies are getting dumber in their fears and desperate conservatism, hoping to somehow wind back the clock to a time when they felt comfortable.

As for the vote, the corporations that rule the world (including munitions companies) still allow politicians to play with some social policy to give the sweet illusion of democracy, as long as it doesn't interfere with their profits.

We can debate till the cows come home but these powerbrokers will make all the decisions and brainwash the little people with their media lies and propaganda. And we don't even realise how our minds are twisted by them. After retiring I did some serious thinking and was astonished at some of the superstitions I never questioned. No doubt there's more things I've taken for granted still to be uncovered ...
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I'm surrounding my house with land-mines, motion detectors, flame-throwers, and laser sighted bazookas. My daughter will be safe then from all of the sickos here in New Jersey.
That won't stop the boy drummers in high school. They are experts in deception/covert operations...

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I'm pro gun...having said that...that idiot should NOT EVER own a gun.

Just because you can,dosen't me you should own a gun.

Basic gun safety rules were violated here.

1) the gun is always loaded...period

2) never point a gun at anything you don't intend to destroy

3) finger off the trigger till you're on the target.

4) be sure of your target and backstop.

There are NO exception to the above rules...ever

If that was me,I would be kicking that guys ass,and yes I've done it before.I would then hand him back what was left of his gun,after I at the very least,destroyed the barrel.

I truly hate to see stories like this,because it's only a matter of when,and not if,that moron will hurt someone else or himself.

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+10. Those are very good rules to live by. Especially number 2. Many accidents happen because someone was being stupid, no gun should ever be pointed at anything that is not meant to be shot at. I have seen excellent shots and former military act stupid with guns. They would have been extremely angry if some kid or someone else acted like that, but apparently because of their experience they felt accidents couldn't happen with them.
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...After retiring I did some serious thinking and was astonished at some of the superstitions I never questioned.
F'rinstance?

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I would just draw your attention to the fact that in the UK we have had a gun ban for over half a century. Firearms were invented in this country several hundred years ago but for most people the expense made it impossible to own one. We had people robbing stagecoaches long before Hollywood thought of that idea but although they carried guns the response of the stagecoach companies was to catch the robbers not turn the stagecoaches into a fortress.

In the early part of the 20th C no licence was required for weapons. We did have a few firearm related incidents and the perps were hanged for it but on the whole the population didn't carry guns as a matter of course. Landowners usually had shotguns and rifles for vermin disposal purposes. It has never actually been legal in this country to own a weapon for self-defence!

We had a huge civil disturbance in the 1920's called a General Strike. At that time it looked to the authorities as if there was going to be general anarchy as well and so they compiled a register of all those holding weapons of any description who could be conscripted into some kind of civil defence force. This was done by the cops and of course having compiled the register they then went a step further and introduced a licencing scheme. This country has as many control freaks as anywhere else!

But the gun licencing scheme was not very strict, you could apply at a Post Office for a gun licence and that was all that was required. Gradually the licence requirements have been tightened up over the years until right now when it is difficult to get a licence at all. The primary requirement is that you have to have a good reason for having one. Self defence is NOT a good reason in this country. It has to be either for vermin disposal or sporting use.
Weapons of war are forbidden. Nobody in the UK legally owns an AR16 but they might well have a collection of rifles. Pistols are now forbidden. The security requirements are serious.
A friend with a gun collection has had to build an armoured room in his house, a burglar alarm, security lights, he's registered with the police and has to renew the license every 4 years.
Every weapon he has is recorded on the licence and if he buys or sells anything that also requires a change to the licence. It costs a fee every single time.

Even just owning a shogun now requires a detailed application to the cops, a declaration of sanity from the doctor and a character reference from a reputable person. There are other rules about the amount of ammo you can have and the security of the home. You MUST have a metal security cabinet and the guns must be kept in it. Break any of those rules and your license is revoked.

We DO get the occasional nut running around with a weapon and our cops frequently carry MP5's and pistols. They have shot quite a few guys over the years. Unfortunately they have shot a number of innocent people too. But we don't have massacres like Columbine etc. We did have a guy running around shooting small children at a school in Dunblane. As a result of that pistols are banned in the this country. If you see a guy with a pistol, it's illegal.

Having said that I have been told that it is not hard to get your hands on illegal weapons in this country, if you really try. If you ask the right people and come up with money then it is definitely possible. But if you get caught then you definitely get a stretch.
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I would just draw your attention to the fact that in the UK we have had a gun ban for over half a century. Firearms were invented in this country several hundred years ago but for most people the expense made it impossible to own one. We had people robbing stagecoaches long before Hollywood thought of that idea but although they carried guns the response of the stagecoach companies was to catch the robbers not turn the stagecoaches into a fortress.

In the early part of the 20th C no licence was required for weapons. We did have a few firearm related incidents and the perps were hanged for it but on the whole the population didn't carry guns as a matter of course. Landowners usually had shotguns and rifles for vermin disposal purposes. It has never actually been legal in this country to own a weapon for self-defence!

We had a huge civil disturbance in the 1920's called a General Strike. At that time it looked to the authorities as if there was going to be general anarchy as well and so they compiled a register of all those holding weapons of any description who could be conscripted into some kind of civil defence force. This was done by the cops and of course having compiled the register they then went a step further and introduced a licencing scheme. This country has as many control freaks as anywhere else!

But the gun licencing scheme was not very strict, you could apply at a Post Office for a gun licence and that was all that was required. Gradually the licence requirements have been tightened up over the years until right now when it is difficult to get a licence at all. The primary requirement is that you have to have a good reason for having one. Self defence is NOT a good reason in this country. It has to be either for vermin disposal or sporting use.
Weapons of war are forbidden. Nobody in the UK legally owns an AR16 but they might well have a collection of rifles. Pistols are now forbidden. The security requirements are serious.
A friend with a gun collection has had to build an armoured room in his house, a burglar alarm, security lights, he's registered with the police and has to renew the license every 4 years.
Every weapon he has is recorded on the licence and if he buys or sells anything that also requires a change to the licence. It costs a fee every single time.

Even just owning a shogun now requires a detailed application to the cops, a declaration of sanity from the doctor and a character reference from a reputable person. There are other rules about the amount of ammo you can have and the security of the home. You MUST have a metal security cabinet and the guns must be kept in it. Break any of those rules and your license is revoked.

We DO get the occasional nut running around with a weapon and our cops frequently carry MP5's and pistols. They have shot quite a few guys over the years. Unfortunately they have shot a number of innocent people too. But we don't have massacres like Columbine etc. We did have a guy running around shooting small children at a school in Dunblane. As a result of that pistols are banned in the this country. If you see a guy with a pistol, it's illegal.

Having said that I have been told that it is not hard to get your hands on illegal weapons in this country, if you really try. If you ask the right people and come up with money then it is definitely possible. But if you get caught then you definitely get a stretch.
Fascinating look into your culture and I learned a lot. Thank you.
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but you'll never hear somebody saying "Only take the car out if you're prepared to kill somebody with it".
Perhaps they should say exactly that. It would impress upon people the seriousness of driving a car and the need to stay focused and mindful while driving.
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Perhaps they should say exactly that. It would impress upon people the seriousness of driving a car and the need to stay focused and mindful while driving.
lol! I love it! As sad as it is... Cars have killed WAYYY more people, recently (since they became popular, and without proper education and application). I see the issue with cars as complacence (not paying attention), ignorance (not knowing how to drive, or that you actually have to watch what is going on), and stupidity (texting, drinking, overall distracted driving).

Texting while walking has killed people. Are we going to regulate cell phones?

Like was mentioned earlier (and ties into the OP), things that seem strange, are often normal to others.

We cannot discuss different region's history as an apples to apples comparison, as different socioeconomic classes, government regulations, entitlements, history, and ethics, etc... that all lead to our society's behavior. A gun is simply a tool, just like a cigarette, drumstick, cell phone, car, or that new Sabian AAX Air Splash (that I like so much). Simply because I purchase a cymbal, does not make me a great drummer. But it can enable me to sound like one.

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As a smoker, I fail to see how a cigarette is a tool. It serves only one functional purpose and that is simply to be ignited and inhaled. The act of inhaling cigarette smoke does not produce anything of meaningful value.
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Wow. Didn't read past the first few posts, so I'm probably late to the discussion here, but man... If anyone suddenly pulled out a gun at a band rehearsal (or gig or whatever), I would be out of that band within five minutes.

Goes for any social setting really. If it was at a party, I would most likely never set foot in that house again. Nothing makes me feel more unsafe than civilians carrying guns (I don't like the idea of armed police either, but I realise it's necessary in some situations).
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As a smoker, I fail to see how a cigarette is a tool. It serves only one functional purpose and that is simply to be ignited and inhaled. The act of inhaling cigarette smoke does not produce anything of meaningful value.
I'm not a smoker. My father was one; my wife of over 15 years is one.

A cigarette is a tool, indeed. And it serves a purpose. If it didn't, people wouldn't smoke. Nicotine is a drug, and like any drug - it alters normal functions. Some people prefer these alterations, and therefore use the tool to alter it to a certain state. Some drugs are helpful, some are less helpful. There are ALWAYS side effects - I think that was my point. My hammer can be used to fasten a board to a wall. It can also be used to bludgeon my kids to death in their sleep (and as they age, they can do the same to me). Why am I (they) not doing it?

Without straying - I was just stating that their are many tools that can cause destruction, the manner in which we use them (to bash a cymbal or play a cymbal) is determined by a multitude of reasons (nature vs nurture/society vs individual/parenting/experience/preference/etc...).

By the way - I'm pro-hammer. And pro-cigarette. As much as I can't stand the effects, the smell, the cost, the taxing, manipulation, time wasted, health insurance cost increases, political impacts, danger (ever watch a person smoke while driving? - completely oblivious that they swerve as often as they do, not always looking ahead), etc..., but I like that there is a choice to do so (so long as it doesn't impact my will not to).

Live free or die. (It's even on the license plate in NH - yes, I know it is referring to taxes, etc..., and not lawlessness).
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It's a tool to ingest a drug. Absolutely. In this particular instance, the drug has no properties that are productive. It has no medical use. If a tool is worthless, it stops being a tool - that is my point.
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If a tool is worthless, it stops being a tool - that is my point.
Ahh, Pure Duncan, I must challenge your assertion.

I've known a few "tools" in my day, though I won't name names. Most of them have been and continue to be worthless - and yes, they are still "tools."
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I really wish that firearms weren't necessary, but I firmly believe that only I can account for my own future. .
Its an interesting mindset or cultural reference,

But think about that, statistically, your personal future is more limited in a country or culture that nurtures sales and/or use of guns. It just is. Gun related violence per capita sort of numbers. What is out there shows they are much higher in countries that openly sell them, black market or not. The numbers don't lie.

Just curious have you ever had to sue your gun in defence?
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but I have never supported these wars or that BS Clinton pulled in Croatia.
Not Croatia..................Bosnia in '95................peacekeeping, after the Dayton Peace Accords

Kosovo in '99..................Air campaign with limited ground combat.............then followed by "peacekeeping" mission again
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A cigarette is a tool, indeed.
Sure, the cigarette is a tool for delivering nicotine.

And I'm afraid the bigger tools are the ones buying and smoking the cigarettes.

There's no noble purpose of American freedom behind the fact that you can still buy a pack of cigarettes; it's because the tobacco companies (and insurance companies) have that kind of leverage in Washington.
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lol! I love it! As sad as it is... Cars have killed WAYYY more people, recently (since they became popular, and without proper education and application). I see the issue with cars as complacence (not paying attention), ignorance (not knowing how to drive, or that you actually have to watch what is going on), and stupidity (texting, drinking, overall distracted driving).

Texting while walking has killed people. Are we going to regulate cell phones?

Like was mentioned earlier (and ties into the OP), things that seem strange, are often normal to others.

We cannot discuss different region's history as an apples to apples comparison, as different socioeconomic classes, government regulations, entitlements, history, and ethics, etc... that all lead to our society's behavior. A gun is simply a tool, just like a cigarette, drumstick, cell phone, car, or that new Sabian AAX Air Splash (that I like so much). Simply because I purchase a cymbal, does not make me a great drummer. But it can enable me to sound like one.
Thanks for the inevitable cars-to-guns comparison. As a matter of fact, we DO regulate cars. They must be registered, anyone who drives one must be of a certain age, a driver must prove competence and mental/physical abilities to obtain a license, they have to be kept in a certain minimal condition, there are restrictions on where it can go, you can't text while driving one in most places, you are in serious trouble if you use them while high/drunk and you must report to the government any time you sell it. If you mess up too much with a car, you may lose your legal ability to operate one.

We accept that as reasonable because a car is in the category of Tools That Can Kill Innocent People Very Easily With A Tiny Screw Up. Also, cars are in the category of Tools That Are Very Valuable And Are Subject To Being Stolen And Used In Crimes. Screwdrivers, by comparison, have no regulation because they are in the category of Tools That Have Minimal Risk Of Death And Injury To Others. Note the word "Minimal."
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And on that note boys and girls the bring a gun to band practice debate has come to an end. Thank you for your participation. When we stray from the original idea on these we tend to get a little political. and you know we don't want that. thanks.
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