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Old 09-19-2013, 01:42 AM
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So owning and playing vintage drums has gotten me to another 'vintage' point in my life. I'm replacing all my newfangled landline cordless phones in my house with regular ol' push button phones so popular in the 70s and 80s.

Last year I though I'd be slick and bought a cordless phone set for the house that came with five handsets, all cordless, and they're all linked to one base station that plugs into one phone line in the house. Well, biggest problem is this: when the batteries die in the handsets - they all died at the same time. Replacements cost $22 each. That's $120 for batteries after taxes and then you can't use the phones right away because they have to charge for at least 8 hours first!

Second problem: when you have a power outage - then you can't use the phones because the base station runs off of power! How stupid is that?

As I was lamenting the cost, the wife says, why don't we just get regular phones? And I thought, GENIUS! You remember how those all work: you just plug them into the wall and they work! NO batteries and they're not dependent on POWER!

On the one hand, I like modern amenities, like computers, but there are so many things that need batteries and have to be charged, I'm wondering how far we've really come? I'm also debating getting away from smartphones altogether (both me and the wife have iPhones) but the cost to usage ratio seems quite a bit one-sided. The cost of being connected is depressing (I pay $140 a month for two phones with unlimited data plans). And other than the occasional family member calling me, who calls me the most? WORK. And I don't need to hear from them as much as I do.

I'm being a curmudgeon, I know. But when I think of the cost of all this internet life-style and what I actually get done because of it, there's something completely out of balance. I'm almost tempted to just going back to the house phones and an answering machine!

It's like how I complain about that magazine, Modern Drummer. Well, you call them modern drummers, but the job hasn't really changed. So what's so modern about it? We're all slaves to marketing I suppose. Thanks for letting me vent. I guess my life is very 1970s - 'cause the computerized lifestyle hasn't really made me think thoughts like, "How did I ever live with out this?"
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Old 09-19-2013, 01:49 AM
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Good for you! I like plenty of new technology but the 1970's truly did rule - Analog recording, a real backseat to a car with an engine you can see into and fix, real sounds in a real band, music you buy and don't download, no auto-tune, you went out and played instead of staying inside with video games......

I don't have a smartphone, and I still love to read hardcopy of anything. Ah ya, the good old days. We walked uphill in a blizzard to school too, lol
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Old 09-19-2013, 03:02 AM
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We walked uphill in a blizzard to school too, lol
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Old 09-19-2013, 03:17 AM
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Haha - yeah, I almost complained about those little pad thingy's too. Someone at work tried to sell me on getting a Kindle or something to read stuff, and I was open enough to try it, but I ended up returning it. Another battery to charge, and when it goes obsolete, then what? Give me an actual book any day!

Like computers, I love my digital SLR cameras for that part of my business, but you know the last time I went to Yosemite, I took an old manual film-loading Nikon that didn't need batteries - and I laughed for three days when at the end of the day, all my other photog shooters are having to re-charge their batteries and dump their images to their laptops. Me? I just changed rolls of film and put the spent rolls in my backpack for the trip home!

I really admire how far we've come technologically, but when what you do, and where you do it hasn't really changed, being high tech for the sake of high tech seems more counter-productive, doesn't it?
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The film cameras are great until you do a weeks travel through Holland, Belgium Luxembourg and Germany and 4 of the 7 rolls you turn in for processing get lost. I own one phone and it is in my pocket all of the time. No hard lines, no need. Charge the phone every night and I'm ready to go. I have two batteries for my digital camera and a Compact Flash card big enough for for about 3000 photos at 3000+ megapixels. No wasted film, no processing costs, no waiting for development. I will say though if the hard line was necessary, it would be a simple yard sale phone.
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I have actually found that when you get to the high end of "high tech" things become much easier and involve far fewer components. I use my phone as my primary computer and my
tv as my monitor. Everything is connected wirelessly so I have almost no cables. I don't have a home phone and I don't have an ISP to pay for. I don't have cable, I just use the apps on my smart tv or the internet for the few times I do actually want to watch tv. So for that $140 a month I have internet, phone and television. Not really so expensive at all.

The problem is people are tying to use new technology while maintaining the older things they are used to. That is when things become expensive.
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Perhaps I haven't look at it that way as well. Everything I do is older - I don't really do anything new, yet have these devices and figuring out I don't need them for what I do. If I completely jettisoned the old ways of living, maybe new technology would be the right thing to do. But almost all of us have experienced power-outages, and watching the news, you see alot of these catastrophic events where people get cut off from civilization. that's probably what I'm getting at - the world isn't Star Trek stable yet, so wireless devices are just not where its at for me. I know people who don't have landlines, and they experience problems where they lose signal and actually have to leave their homes to make a phone call. Of course, it doesn't happen all the time, but what an inconvenience, I say.
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I am at the point now where my only communication device is my mobil phone.
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Not much use for excessive technology here either.

We don't have smartphones, we read actual books, don't download any music, and usually wait until a movie comes out on DVD to see it.

Come to think of it, my truck doesn't even have power windows or power locks.
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Come to think of it, my truck doesn't even have power windows or power locks.
Me either. When did THOSE come out?
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Old 09-19-2013, 06:25 AM
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Not much use for excessive technology here either.

We don't have smartphones, we read actual books, don't download any music, and usually wait until a movie comes out on DVD to see it.

Come to think of it, my truck doesn't even have power windows or power locks.
That's funny, neither does mine! My wife inherited a Cadillac El Dorado from her mother years ago and when she broke the power window on the driver's side, paying that $959 bill to get it fixed convinced me that luxury items on a car are just not worth it.
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I remember when all this were just fields ...

Shoot me now, but I actually prefer to read on my iPad. I can read in the dark without disturbing Mr Madge when he's asleep, I don't lose my page, and it's a jolly sight lighter than many books. And I can carry a large library around with me.

My abiding memory from the 70s is how artificial our food was: full of synthetic colours and flavours. I used to prefer bought cakes to home-made (ok, my mum wasn't Mary Berry, but still!). And clothes were all nylon and polyester - ouch!

I like technology. When it doesn't work there's usually a small locally-based business that can fix it for you. When it does work, it means I can go on DW pretty much wherever I am, and I can't see how that can be a bad thing.
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...I used to prefer bought cakes to home-made...
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Caeks, Shirley?
Entirely my own fault. Even Autocorrect recognises "caeks" now. Can't blame the technology for that one!

And don't call me Shirley.
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She's always serious.

I'm a man of lesser years than some here (try putting that politely) and I'm disillusioned with a lot of technology. There are instances when it is the best solution - I use my laptop, I have fibre-optic broadband, a smartphone, music production software, etc. There is something inherently satisfying in physical media though. Other than my phone, I don't own a digital camera. I have film cameras. I have a collection of records and a turntable. I even have a good-quality Pioneer cassette player (for what it's worth!).

There's something highly satisfying about being able to touch photographs and touch music. I always think digital photographs have less value because they're rarely printed out. You don't go through that process of unpacking them from the processing lab and looking for the finger on the lens and the poor exposures and as a child, that was something we did a lot. I miss that.

I also have a wired landline phone. One day I may even get one that I can mount on the wall.
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With you Bo. I have a push button landline phone. Had it for 30 years, & it works just fine. I hate - no, detest my mobile phone. Even though it's not the latest smartphone thingy, it still manages to be a royal PITA. As a phone, it's F useless. It has a keyboard for text use & other stuff I don't understand, but the buttons are so small, anything bigger than an amoeba would struggle to use it. I can't see the screen properly anyhow, & don't even get me started on touchscreen stuff.

Text is a good idea for sure, but unless you were born last week, it's so laborious to operate. Text is the only mobile phone "extra" I find of any use, & even then, only to bug the crap out of someone who doesn't answer the phone, or get through to someone BECAUSE THE SIGNAL IS CRAP!!!!
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I know people who don't have landlines, and they experience problems where they lose signal and actually have to leave their homes to make a phone call. Of course, it doesn't happen all the time, but what an inconvenience, I say.
Bo, you live in LA. I cant imagine that there is anywhere within a hundred miles of you that doesn't have pristine cell phone coverage.

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Text is the only mobile phone "extra" I find of any use, & even then, only to bug the crap out of someone who doesn't answer the phone, or get through to someone BECAUSE THE SIGNAL IS CRAP!!!!
I cant speak for the UK, but here I literally get cell phone service EVERYWHERE. I would have to go out of my way to find a place where I dont get coverage. I got coverage at the top of the tallest mountain on the east coast. The real advantage of texting is time. I can send a text in the amount of time it takes somebody to answer their phone.
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I liked life better before the internet. I don't detest technology, I just find it to be a waste of time. I gave up my $140 phone bill years ago and bought a cheap cell phone that can still access internet somewhat, if needed. So I use it to browse DW. All I do is text mostly and talk now and then. My bill is only $25 per month.

Plus, now the government is more intrusive into our lives.
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[quote=Bo Eder;1181759]Haha - yeah, I almost complained about those little pad thingy's too. Someone at work tried to sell me on getting a Kindle or something to read stuff, and I was open enough to try it, but I ended up returning it. Another battery to charge, and when it goes obsolete, then what? Give me an actual book any day!

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Bo, I love my kindle fire. Not just for books, I watch movies everyday at lunch on Netflix using it with a set of noise cancelling headphones, its awesome. and....I can carry multiple "books" at once, not just one. I hear you though, to each his own.
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I love my vintage Luddies and Zildjians, but I draw the line at vintage hardware. I also couldn't see myself going back to analog phones, typewriters, etc. Although I do use an antennae (sp) for my local television stations.

I also own a '68 Olds Cutlass S, but it is way to impractical for everyday use. But that's just me...
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I'm a mixed bag when it comes to this stuff.

On one hand, you can pry my smartphone from my cold, dead fingers. I LOVE being able to access information wherever I am. I'm a bit of a techno geek and gadgets fascinate me.

But when it comes to things like music and photography, I'm as old school as they come. Screw the cloud, I want to put my hands on the media. Owning "digital rights" to a music file is not the same as holding the CD or record in my hands. I mean, half the fun of photography was sitting in the dark and smelling the chemicals! Those are tactile things I miss in the digital age.
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Mixed bag in my house. My wife hates anything and all things related to technology. She won't use the computer and I have to beg her to carry her cheap cell phone (not smart phone and no texting) in the event of an emergency.

I hate cell phones and much like my wife, I carry that same sort of cheap cell that has no texting capabilities (as far as I know of).

We still have 2 plug in the wall phones. The cordless goes dead too often not to.

I need a high speed web connection for my job as I work 100% from home (for now). Without it, I don't get paid. I have a smartphone for work and 110% despise the thing. I only use a few functions on a thing that seems to have a bazillion.

We don't download mp3's and I don't use cloud storage for anything other than my Kindle - which I love as it allows me to eliminate any book or magazine that I would otherwise be tossing in a recycle bin or needing to find room for on a shelf. Less clutter.

I have one leg in each bucket I guess.

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Well if wireless power ever takes off you won't have to worrying about charging and batteries anymore...

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I gave up my "smart" phone last year. I was paying $100/month for something I was rarely using. Granted, I live on my iPad but that just made my smart phone even more useless since I could do everything on my iPad and it had a much bigger screen. I personally hate talking on the phone, so I just couldn't justify the huge bill every month. I now have a flip phone with 200/minutes per month (that I rarely use more than 50 of) and a very small texting plan (of which I do even less). My iPad is my only computer.

Basically, Technology is great until it doesn't work and then we're all screwed. At least growing up, when the electricity went out and the tv didn't work, I had enough stuff to keep me occupied and happy. Im not sure there's a lot of kids today that can say that. When the electricity is out they're panicking becuase there's no computer or tv or video games and the phone can't be charged. I realize I'm sounding like an old geezer (which I am) but sometimes I truly believe that technology sets us back instead of forward.
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Bo, you live in LA. I cant imagine that there is anywhere within a hundred miles of you that doesn't have pristine cell phone coverage.

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Well, let me point out that yes, phone coverage doesn't seem to be a problem, but data coverage is spotty. Even at Disneyland there are areas that I'm not connected and can't receive emails or other internet-based communications. And since nobody I know calls anyone, then I'm disconnected ;)

And there are more than a few mountain areas around here that affect phone calls too.
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The only problem with "vintage" is that some people use that as justification to jack up the price. Vintage car, vintage guitars, vintage wine, whatever.

But I'm one of the people that doesn't need a smartphone. If I didn't have to receive calls from time to time, I would junk mobile phones altogether, hate the damn things.
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Second problem: when you have a power outage - then you can't use the phones because the base station runs off of power! How stupid is that?
I thought this was a third world problem. What gives?

Our entire barometer for "quality of life" hinges on electricity supply. I wonder what would happen if electromagnetic storms start battering the earth in the future.
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My friends think I am crazy (arguable...) but we still have a gravity furnace in our 100+ year old house. Efficient? Hardly. But, it does not require ANY electricity to keep our house warm. More than a few times during the time we have lived there, ice storms will take down trees and power lines leaving the neighborhood without power for days. Just break out the Coleman lanterns and candles and we are good to go.

I like "obsolete" technology. I use equipment with vacuum tubes, film cameras that don't rely on batteries to take an image, mechanical clocks, and cars with engines in funny places.
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The only problem with "vintage" is that some people use that as justification to jack up the price. Vintage car, vintage guitars, vintage wine, whatever.
Prices don't go up because the seller jacks the price up.

Prices go up because there are buyers who are prepared to pay higher prices.

In the case of sought after vintage items (cars, wine, guitars, whatever) it's because the vintage version has some attribute(s) that the newly made version doesn't have.
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Prices don't go up because the seller jacks the price up.

Prices go up because there are buyers who are prepared to pay higher prices.

In the case of sought after vintage items (cars, wine, guitars, whatever) it's because the vintage version has some attribute(s) that the newly made version doesn't have.
I can't argue with that logic. But a similar logic could be applied to price gouging in a time of calamity.

I'll clarify that I don't mean the prices go up because the seller jacks up the price. Rather, I meant that the seller jacks up the price because it is "vintage". In a similar fashion to the way prices are jacked up for products because they are "boutique".

A thing can only be worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it, right? But some things are only worth so much in absolute terms. There are plenty of examples of sellers quoting ridiculous prices and as many examples of buyers quoting paying ridiculous sums.

If no one is willing to pay a high price for my goods, that does not mean the goods are only worth that much. Look at the dotcom bubble burst. People put all their money into worthless stocks. Were the stocks actually worth what people paid for them? No, even if that was the price the stock was being traded for.
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Bo, I have this little dial up modem which will perfectly complement your new 'phone setup!
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Bo, I have this little dial up modem which will perfectly complement your new 'phone setup!
And I have some rabbit ears for your TV I will sell you cheap.

Well, not too cheap. they are Vintage after all.
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I can't argue with that logic. But a similar logic could be applied to price gouging in a time of calamity.

I'll clarify that I don't mean the prices go up because the seller jacks up the price. Rather, I meant that the seller jacks up the price because it is "vintage". In a similar fashion to the way prices are jacked up for products because they are "boutique".

A thing can only be worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it, right? But some things are only worth so much in absolute terms. There are plenty of examples of sellers quoting ridiculous prices and as many examples of buyers quoting paying ridiculous sums.

If no one is willing to pay a high price for my goods, that does not mean the goods are only worth that much. Look at the dotcom bubble burst. People put all their money into worthless stocks. Were the stocks actually worth what people paid for them? No, even if that was the price the stock was being traded for.
Well this is fun, and touches on all sorts of economic and psychological ideas.

I absolutely agree that the arbiter of what something is worth is what somebody is prepared to pay. And often rationality flies out the window when people are paying silly money, from the South Sea Bubble, to the Dutch Tulip Bubble to the Dotcom Bubble and the more recent GFC, there have been cases of people losing the sight of the underlying economic value of objects being priced. In those cases what happened was that "the market" revalued the object. There isn't really any inherent "right" or "wrong" involved.

Watch in amazement as I bring a drumming-related element to my analysis... Nick Mason, the drummer for Pink Floyd, has always had a fascination with classic sports and racing cars. In the early 90's he was about to interviewed by some financial journalist because the value of his car portfolio had appreciated way faster than financial markets had managed. Sadly, just before he was about to impart his wisdom, specialist car values plummeted and the interview never took place. Subsequently, specialist cars have looked very attractive once more, especially in the light of the GFC. What is certain is that if you are lucky enough to have a special Porsche/Ferrari/Bentley/Whatever in your garage, even if it loses value, it's still a lot more fun than if you owned a dotcom stock that tanked.

If noone is willing to pay a high price for your goods, then it does indeed mean that they are worth that much to somebody other than you. You may also have sound reasons why you are not prepared to sell for the market value, in which case you are saying that the goods that you own are worth more to you than the money which you could exchange them for.
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If Bo's posting rate drops off, I think I have the explanation...

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What is certain is that if you are lucky enough to have a special Porsche/Ferrari/Bentley/Whatever in your garage, even if it loses value, it's still a lot more fun than if you owned a dotcom stock that tanked.
I agree wholeheartedly. What's all that paper money going to come to anyway? A lot of worthless IOUs in the long run.

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If noone is willing to pay a high price for your goods, then it does indeed mean that they are worth that much to somebody other than you. You may also have sound reasons why you are not prepared to sell for the market value, in which case you are saying that the goods that you own are worth more to you than the money which you could exchange them for.
Something might be priceless to me. But if it winds up in someone else's garage sale, it might be sold for a few bucks. Yet I would have paid more. So going into the economic theory behind that situation, the higher price is only realised if the right buyer is found. Now once that price has been paid, there might no longer be a buyer willing to pay the same price. So was the original price tag justified? It's a similar situation in the case of the higher price tag for vintage stuff just because it's "vintage" :P

Like the dial-up modems that are being tossed around on this thread. Are they junk? Are the owners waiting for the price to appreciate? Why on earth have those things not been disposed of yet?

The only reason I can think of is "waiting for a McGyver moment" :P
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