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Old 05-09-2013, 04:18 PM
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Default Tip Durability?

I don't like nylon tip drumsticks, but up until recently I used them simply because of durability. My budget is a bit limited, so I can't afford to be mowing through wood tipped drumsticks. The reason my tips break so fruquently is my of playing the tip on closed hi-hats or the bell of my rides.

After receiving my tax returns, I decided to purchase a brick of sticks, so I wouldn't have to worry about them for a while. The stick I settled on was Vic Firth's SD1. The store didn't have them in nylon tips, but the stick felt so perfect to me that I just purchased a brick of the wood tips. I've been using the same pair for about a month, and aside from a few marks on the shoulders from hi hats, and some rimshot dents, the sticks are in flawless shape.

The round / bead / ball tip of the sticks seems nearly indestructable. So I was wondering if this is true with most ball tip sticks, or if I just happen to have gotten extremely lucky with this pair?
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Old 05-09-2013, 05:00 PM
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I just assume wood tips chip at a certain level of playing. My favorite local stick is the Vic Firth AJ5, a longish, thinnish stick with a great feel for quiet-moderate volume. It's only available as a wood tip, and as a nylon tip preferrer, it wouldn't normally be in my stick bag, but it feels really good to me. And yes, the tips chip, and have to be tossed. In fact, I think I've actually broken only one of of those sticks, but have tossed out a bunch because the tips become unusable before the stick itself can wear or break. Still, a stick will last 4 or 5 gigs (at low volume) before I can feel or hear that it's become a problem and needs to go (or be flipped around to serve as my butt-end snare stick.)

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Old 05-09-2013, 05:17 PM
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Maybe we're both extremely lucky! I plat regular ol' Firth 5a and 5b sticks and I've never suffered a broken tip. Maybe I don't play hard enough ;)
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Old 05-09-2013, 05:27 PM
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I also don't play wood tips much for this very reason. However, I have noticed that SD1s tend to survive a little better. it might be a combo of the maple and the ball tip. Hey, maybe you've found your new favorite stick!
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Old 05-09-2013, 05:33 PM
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I am not a really hard player, but I have found that barrels and round tips last longer for me too...I use the original Weckl and the Gadd sticks right now...I prefer a wood tip. But, as Bermuda said, the tip will wear regardless and will need to be replaced long before it breaks or splinters in most cases.
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:07 PM
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I must not hit hard at all...

My sticks usually last me a few months. Even then it's because the tips are chipped. Occasionally one will chip prematurely on me though.
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:13 PM
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EarthRocker, check out Regal Tip Series E stick. It has a nylon tip but it is ribbed. It produces a tone that is about halfway between a smooth nylon tip and a wood tip. I prefer a wood tip sound, but these Regal Tips are close enough to a wood tip tone for me, plus they don't chip like wood. I wish Vic Firth would offer a ribbed nylon tip. Regal Tips are a nice stick, but I just really like the shape and balance of the VF sticks.
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:20 PM
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I find that with wood tips.

The force of the hit affects durability (obviously) as well as angle to the cymbal (my biggest culprit).
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:25 PM
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I have Vater Fusion hickory wood tips that still look basically new after a few months. I think it is a combination of Vater's wood and the ball tip. Personally, I just dislike how nylon tips sound on pretty much everything.
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:34 AM
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I don't know if it was a bad batch but I bought a few bricks of Vic firths a few years back and they would always break tips, and the rest of the stick would be in perfect condition (I never was a big hitter).

I switched to vater and they're 100% better. Try vater.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:33 AM
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I use to use nylon tips many years ago. Back then every once in a while the nylon tip would end up some where else in the room and not on the stick. I can play the drums with any type of tip, but now I really appreciate the sounds of my cymbals with the wooden tip variety. When I audition cymbals, particularly rides, I use the same type of sticks that I normally play with.

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Old 05-10-2013, 04:19 PM
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A drummer friend and music store employee turned me on to Regal 5-B Maples. I find them to not only be a very balanced and well weighted stick, the wood tip lasts a very long time. Maple is very hard and very durable. I bought a half brick about a year ago and have only used about 4 pair, granted I don't play all that much and my genre is jazz, but I do wail with them in a big band setting. The down side is that they are hard to come by in this part of the country.
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Old 05-10-2013, 04:25 PM
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My stick chew themselves up from rimshotting on the snare, going shoulder/tip on the hat and shoulder on the crashes. Wouldn't have it any other way,

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Old 05-10-2013, 04:30 PM
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I use to use nylon tips many years ago. Back then every once in a while the nylon tip would end up some where else in the room and not on the stick. I can play the drums with any type of tip, but now I really appreciate the sounds of my cymbals with the wooden tip variety. When I audition cymbals, particularly rides, I use the same type of sticks that I normally play with.

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I knew sticks made a big difference in sound. But my eyes were opened even more last weekend when I went through a decent pile of sticks I've tried over the past 2 years and compared them. Holy crap... There were cases where the ride cymbal sounded TOTALLY different with different sticks. I mean, like it wasn't even the same cymbal.

Crazy stuff. Now I have a new project to keep me up at night. LOL
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:36 PM
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I don't know if it was a bad batch but I bought a few bricks of Vic firths a few years back and they would always break tips, and the rest of the stick would be in perfect condition (I never was a big hitter).

I switched to vater and they're 100% better. Try vater.
Seems like we share the same story. As some of you may know, I was a big VF fan not so long ago. But the sticks started chipping and splitting prematurely so I switched to Vater - and I couldn't be more satisfied. Vater SD9 is my stick of choice nowadays. Perfect feel, excellent durability. Beautiful, round tip.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:47 AM
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EarthRocker, check out Regal Tip Series E stick. It has a nylon tip but it is ribbed. It produces a tone that is about halfway between a smooth nylon tip and a wood tip. I prefer a wood tip sound, but these Regal Tips are close enough to a wood tip tone for me, plus they don't chip like wood. I wish Vic Firth would offer a ribbed nylon tip. Regal Tips are a nice stick, but I just really like the shape and balance of the VF sticks.

I was also going to suggest the Regal Tip E-Series.
It's much closer in tone to wood than a regular nylon tip, but with all the same durability.

I have always been a fan of the way wood tips sound, but because of the "chip factor" I used Nylon for most of my life. I got to a point the last few year that I just done care, its a drumstick, it's going to break at some point. So if the tips start to chip, oh well... get a fresh pair...

Most gigs I'm using wood tips now, and on real heavy basher gigs I go to the E-Series.


Oh, and P.S. Vic can't make a ripped E-Tip, Calato patented it when they came out with it. Something they should have done in the 50's when they invented nylon tips.
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