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Old 03-19-2013, 04:10 PM
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at the top of each discussion forum page there is a blue button on the top left that says New Thread

if you are going to post this it would go in "your playing " which is in "your place"
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For the last 24 hours, I've been listening to this non-stop. Not that it's exactly a secret that this is a great album, but it's incredible how a great record like this can be rewarding for a lifetime of listening. The music is so rich and the depth of conception so advanced that every listen reveals something new.

This has to be the greatest rhythm section of all-time for me. I just can't get enough. And my goodness, Blue Note around this time was just hitting home runs in every plate appearance. This is one of the very best.

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For the last 24 hours, I've been listening to this non-stop. Not that it's exactly a secret that this is a great album, but it's incredible how a great record like this can be rewarding for a lifetime of listening. The music is so rich and the depth of conception so advanced that every listen reveals something new.

This has to be the greatest rhythm section of all-time for me. I just can't get enough. And my goodness, Blue Note around this time was just hitting home runs in every plate appearance. This is one of the very best.

one of the first jazz records I bought on vinyl.....going to give it a listen today

such a great record .......and a rhythm section that is indeed hard to beat
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For the last 24 hours, I've been listening to this non-stop. Not that it's exactly a secret that this is a great album, but it's incredible how a great record like this can be rewarding for a lifetime of listening.
It might not be a secret...but I hadn't heard (or heard of) it until now, so thank you for posting! I had to go right to my Spotify player and search it out, and it was indeed there! Just transitioned to the third track, and I'm loving it.
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For the last 24 hours, I've been listening to this non-stop.
Nice. That's how it's done, people. One record, over and over.
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Nice. That's how it's done, people. One record, over and over.
my favorite way to listen

most of the time alone....but occasionally my wife will be there and I will say something like....my god did you hear that ???....and she will reply with something like.....yes babe Ron Carter and Tony Williams are badasses, I know.....

she knows me too well

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she is a musician as well ...but not as much into jazz as I am ....but recently I caught her humming Saturday and Sunday by Jackie McLean while working at the computer

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Old 03-21-2013, 02:41 AM
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Tony....dang.

A lot of times, I just don't 'get' Tony Williams but I've been trying to understand him more lately. Not really always my style.

However, THIS tune is just swingin'. Amazing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bisN-z_4CnA

And is that really his right foot during his solo? I have some work to do...
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I love the way Tony Williams plays, so much freedom, interaction, but most of all always swinging!

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No Way!!! Coltrane on drums!!!...Were dig you get this??!
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Coltrane?! I thought that was Ray Parker Jr.!!




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Old 03-24-2013, 10:58 PM
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Would love to hear Trane play drums. I hear Chick Corea is also a good player.

Of course, then there's Jan Hammer, who doesn't even play drums but plays them at a world-class fusion level.

I hate people like that.
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I was hoping to start a discussion on a particular style of jazz playing that I haven't seen discussed very often. I'm talking the almost open rubato tunes where everyone is sorta playing on their own time and it sounds like a wall of sounds, some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOHBIjf_4x8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfR84za80ag

This one is just ridiculously intense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHh6t3OK0Do

Perhaps someone could shed some light as to how this style of playing came about.
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I would consider this all post-bop (wide ranging term though!), and since I cannot explain this musical evolution in my own terms, I will pass this little link along...cheers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_bop
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I don't know what it's "officially" called - that's the problem with labels.
I also don't know the evolution, except that one can argue all roads lead to Miles.
Anyway, I refer to it as "contemporary" jazz

I love the Hekselman and Branford discs. I haven't heard that one by Kenny Garret, thanks for posting.

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Great links there, Numberless-- I hadn't heard any of those before. Most people just call that rubato; Hal Galper calls it furious rubato. It's a free jazz thing that started with Ornette or Coltrane, I think, and got refined and prettied up by the early ECM guys. It's a major part of my thing, but it's hard for me to find much to say about it. I call it free time because when I was figuring it out nobody around me was doing it, and I had to call it something.
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Old 03-27-2013, 05:25 AM
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I was hoping to start a discussion on a particular style of jazz playing that I haven't seen discussed very often. I'm talking the almost open rubato tunes where everyone is sorta playing on their own time and it sounds like a wall of sounds, some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOHBIjf_4x8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfR84za80ag

This one is just ridiculously intense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHh6t3OK0Do

Perhaps someone could shed some light as to how this style of playing came about.
Free jazz was a major movement in music in the early- to mid-1960s. Its influence can still be felt in these more contemporary tracks you posted.

The earliest free jazz recordings were probably the Ornette Coleman Atlantics and the earliest work by Cecil Taylor. These came out in the late 50s and early 60s. Most of those recordings featured a much freer tonality but still a fairly conventional timekeeping role from the rhythm section.

But the freedom from keeping strict tempo really gained steam when Coltrane started to employ it with his quartet. By the time Trane brought Rashied Ali into the group, it was on. Artists like Albert Ayler, with the great Sunny Murray on drums, explored the style more thoroughly. Other artists who started in the more traditional post-bop forms but explored free jazz were Eric Dolphy, Charles Mingus, Archie Shepp and Sun Ra. Coleman and Taylor continued to get farther and farther "out" as well.

There was concurrently a movement in Europe where musicians coming from a different musical background explored collective improvisation. The FMP label was where a lot of it happened, and important musicians like Peter Brotzmann and Evan Parker came up with their own take, independent of the American free jazzers.

As far as why it came to be, well, I think it was just a logical progression, an attempt to take the music to the next level. Jazz was evolving so quickly during that time, getting freer and freer all the time, opening up more avenues to the improviser. Coltrane, in particular, seemed to be searching for something almost spiritual, like trying to discover some new language or reality. The way bebop startled the swing generation, free jazz shocked the boppers.

We had a nice thread going on this forum with free jazz recs somewhere. It might even be on the early pages of this thread.
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:39 AM
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Great posts guys, thanks for the great history lesson 8mile. Furious rubato, I really like that term jaja. I have yet to check out Coltrane's later stuff, maybe that'll work as a good starting point. Gonna go check out some Coleman as well!
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It's funny that I have a history with Bret Primak. He is closely hooked up with Sonny Rollins, and all through high school I begged him to allow me access. I used to drive him crazy. Then my father saw him at a jazz conference and introduced himself as Matt Smith's father, and Bret thought that was very funny.

Speaking of Dad, he's with Mom now in China, based in Ningbo University, as the country's first full time American jazz educator. There was an article about his program in last November's Down Beat. And Bret interviewed Dad for a video that was never finished.Dad had asked Bret to come to China to do some filming and the deal fell through. So I think he was a little ticked about it. Oh well.
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... Dad, he's with Mom now in China, based in Ningbo University, as the country's first full time American jazz educator.
The idea of massive numbers of Chinese (even a tiny %) moving into jazz as players or listeners is encouraging for those of us who love organic music.

Well done, Andy, on finding your way into the thread! Yes, look out because that cat scratches when not handled properly ...

Meanwhile, if anyone's looking for an hours of music that's easy on the ears, you could do worse than this Blue Note collection http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up2MvLremHc
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Well done, Andy, on finding your way into the thread!
Well, pathetic though it is, it's a contribution non the less ;)

Hey, I did just announce I'm getting into Kendrick Scott's stuff, does that count?
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Just added some new cymbals....a rare opportunity (for me anyways) to play trio gigs with
a couple of world class jazz pianists came my way and I wanted to get closer to "the sound"
I'll never get to..... Came home with 2 22" Sabian Artisan Custom Shop rides (one higher,
one lower pitched...higher I added rivets) to change things up from what I was using. I usually prefer 20" rides but fell in love with the sound of these. First gig went well and I'm
asked back for more...the other one is a ways off but the pianist is on 70 CD's and plays
the world over....it might be just the one gig but I can practice and hope! Anyways, for me
these are thrills of a lifetime and the reason I practice and play.
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Speaking of the "free" side of the music, a couple of my faves that straddle the line between free and post-bop:

Ornette http://youtu.be/Pu7fhoiVBQ0

Dolphy, from one of the best Blue Note dates of all time: http://youtu.be/AkRPVD1OjiU
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The link won't work in the U.S. :(
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Just had my final performance for my Jazz Combo yesterday. We did a pretty great job, if you ask me. I was nervous as s***, since it was in front of the entire music department (students, staff, etc.) but we still did great. I'll post video when I get it.

Question: Some guys asked if I wanted to play drums for a restaurant/lounge-jazz guitar trio. Just wanted some opinions on what to prepare for (musically). Is this going to be mostly playing with brushes? Do you think we'd be playing standards? Are there tunes that would definitely be played in a guitar trio? Just want to know whatever I can so I know going into it.
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ref the guitar trio gigs....I play them all the time...use hands, brushes and sticks. If its a
place where people are talking etc we start by playing under the talking (so not to be too
in your face with the music) and try to draw the crowd in. If we get the crowd in our hands,
we end up playing louder than if they keep talking. At any rate, you can use hands, brushes
and sticks at very low volume levels, especially if you have the right cymbals. I always take
along a flat ride for very quiet gigs just in case (but the flat ride isn't my sound of choice generally). I have 2 rivets in mine and depending on the room, it often gets compliments for
the sound. Generally we find that playing at a volume where we can be heard yet people can still talk (if they want to) without yelling is best.

With respect to what tunes you might play....that could be anything at all depending on
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Maybe talk to the guitar player about what type of stuff you're going to play. Have Fun!
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Dug these two out last night.

If you dig the ferocity of the Elvin / Davis / Tyner rhythm section, you'll like this....

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I love some of the old jazz album covers! Especially Jim Flora:



Came across this tonight ... the groove and vibe are killer ... this one's for you, Larry 8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxwAvS3mUi8
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Came across this tonight ... the groove and vibe are killer ... this one's for you, Larry 8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxwAvS3mUi8

Oh yes indeed! I remember that one. My Dad was an avid record collector. He literally had thousands of LP's and 78's. I remember so many that were just beautiful. In fact, when he passed away I archived all of his Louis Armstrong Collection which was absolutely enormous and sent them to The Louis Armstrong House Museum and Archives in NYC. The curators wanted them and paid for all expenses to do so.

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ref the guitar trio gigs....I play them all the time...use hands, brushes and sticks. If its a
place where people are talking etc we start by playing under the talking (so not to be too
in your face with the music) and try to draw the crowd in. If we get the crowd in our hands,
we end up playing louder than if they keep talking. At any rate, you can use hands, brushes
and sticks at very low volume levels, especially if you have the right cymbals. I always take
along a flat ride for very quiet gigs just in case (but the flat ride isn't my sound of choice generally). I have 2 rivets in mine and depending on the room, it often gets compliments for
the sound. Generally we find that playing at a volume where we can be heard yet people can still talk (if they want to) without yelling is best.

With respect to what tunes you might play....that could be anything at all depending on
what the guitar player wants to play. While it's likely to include standards, I wouldn't always
bet on it.

Maybe talk to the guitar player about what type of stuff you're going to play. Have Fun!
Definitely will! Thanks for that. Definitely have the right cymbals and definitely know how to play at low volume. I don't know details on what our role will be in these places, but I imagine it's a real low-volume, wallpaper-type thing, where people won't be coming up to us to watch/listen.
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Just me maybe, but when we start out with the guitar trio in say a wine bar where people have been there and are talking.....I usually start out with brushes and when the time seems
right for the crowd, I take it up a notch by switching to a stick on ride with the right hand but
continuing with the brush in the left. I like the idea of easing the transition from no band to
sometimes band in your face or usually something in between. You'll have fun! Report back!
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I loved the LP album cover art too! It was sorely missed when CD's replaced LP's. There is
a local club whose walls are adorned with album cover art from the 50's mostly....nice!
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