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Old 01-31-2013, 10:59 PM
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A couple of interesting new releases:


This is the first record Shorter has put out in eight years; it's his same quartet (with Brian Blade on drums) with six new Shorter compositions. Looks tempting.
I've already pre-ordered my copy, but for those of you who are on the fence, NPR has the entire album up for listening.
http://www.npr.org/2013/01/27/170099...-without-a-net

Let's just say I don't regret buying it. :)
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Not an album, but I just finished this book in two days (compared to Beneath the Underdog, which has taken me three months to still not finish) and it's hilarious and really insightful.

The chapter titled "Sinatra sings Weather Report" is probably my favorite. I hope that motivates someone to read this. =)

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Old 02-02-2013, 03:23 AM
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Sorry for the double post, but maybe someone can help me. Can anyone ID when they play the C section? They don't play it in the initial head, right? It seems like AABA, but then maybe during the solos they play the C instead of the last B? It's a tough tune, especially not really knowing melody.

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Old 02-02-2013, 04:19 AM
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Sorry for the double post, but maybe someone can help me. Can anyone ID when they play the C section? They don't play it in the initial head, right? It seems like AABA, but then maybe during the solos they play the C instead of the last B? It's a tough tune, especially not really knowing melody.

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I just gave it a quick listen and to me it definitely sounds like AABC

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Old 02-02-2013, 06:12 AM
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The C section is a repeat of the A section, the form of the song is AABA. On lead sheets, the letters AB and C are really "rehearsal" letters. Hope this helps, John
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Old 02-02-2013, 06:29 AM
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The C section is a repeat of the A section, the form of the song is AABA. On lead sheets, the letters AB and C are really "rehearsal" letters. Hope this helps, John
Correct. But why complicate it with analysis? It is what it is, so just play the page, no?
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Correct. But why complicate it with analysis? It is what it is, so just play the page, no?
Well my reading isn't really where it should be and this is my first time really playing in this type of setting (jazz at school with charts, playing with guys who are much better players than I).

When the bass player brought it in last week, it was essentially my first listening of the song, then we played through it. I really can't sight-read.

It was all just a bit over my head.
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:34 AM
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I just got home from a night at Orchestra Hall in Detroit, where Jack DeJohnette performed with his group. It was a remarkable, inspiring performance. It's been probably 25 years since I saw Jack play live, so this was a very special treat.

I'm still buzzing with inspiration. Can't wait to get behind the kit and do something with this energy.
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:27 AM
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In honor of 8Mile seeing Jack Dejohnette play, I'll post one of my favorite songs featuring him. I never get tired of listening to this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnl9twPwg1Y
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The C section is a repeat of the A section, the form of the song is AABA. On lead sheets, the letters AB and C are really "rehearsal" letters. Hope this helps, John
the fact that John Riley reads my thread kinda makes my day.....I can't lie
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:27 PM
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the fact that John Riley reads my thread kinda makes my day.....I can't lie
I know, right?!

Mr. Riley has actually been kind enough to respond to a couple of PMs I sent him a while back on both his technique and a selection of records to transcribe.

I feel very fortunate to have him on this forum. A very gracious gentleman indeed.
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the fact that John Riley reads my thread kinda makes my day.....I can't lie
+1

John's a step above most professionals and a gifted teacher/communicator while being a monster player at the same time. A rare combination.

I'm not trying to suck up - just telling it like it is in my view....
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John's a step above most professionals and a gifted teacher/communicator while being a monster player at the same time. A rare combination.

I'm not trying to suck up - just telling it like it is in my view....
I share your view

to me John is a throw back while being and innovator at the same time

we are lucky to have someone like him around

we missed the golden era of Be Bop and Hard Bop.....but we have guys like John , and Jeff Hamilton etc. that hold down that same fort in a time when it is not "fashionable "

I for one am very thankful for that
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:47 PM
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The new Wayne Shorter Quartet recording, Without A Net, is outstanding. I'm digging it right now. If you like this band (how can you not?), you will love it.
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Apologies if this has already been posted, or is something all you guys are totally familiar with, but this just popped up in my youtube homepage, and these guys are friggin smokin' in this performance.

http://youtu.be/nkJoTY0GE8M
(Tony Williams Quintet - NY Live 1989.)
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The new Wayne Shorter Quartet recording, Without A Net, is outstanding. I'm digging it right now. If you like this band (how can you not?), you will love it.
I've been digging it too. There's an interview with Wayne in this months DownBeat discussing the album worth checking out.

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Apologies if this has already been posted, or is something all you guys are totally familiar with, but this just popped up in my youtube homepage, and these guys are friggin smokin' in this performance.

http://youtu.be/nkJoTY0GE8M
(Tony Williams Quintet - NY Live 1989.)
Please don't kill me, but in this video I find Tony's drumming, as truly great as it is, to be overplaying. The soloists don't have a chance.
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Please don't kill me, but in this video I find Tony's drumming, as truly great as it is, to be overplaying. The soloists don't have a chance.
I partly agree with you. Any other drummer should be mindful of this in a similar situation. But it is Tony. The drums are going to be prominent, and though he is restrained a lot of the time he's going to respond in some unexpected ways; almost confrontational. But there's a logic behind it as he gets out of the way almost as soon as he comes in. At least to me. And Billy Pierce, Ira Coleman and the rest aren't exactly wall flowers.

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Old 02-11-2013, 02:51 AM
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I partly agree with you. Any other drummer should be mindful of this in a similar situation. But it is Tony. The drums are going to be prominent, and though he is restrained a lot of the time he's going to respond in some unexpected ways; almost confrontational. But there's a logic behind it as he gets out of the way almost as soon as he comes in. At least to me. And Billy Pierce, Ira Coleman and the rest aren't exactly wall flowers.

-John.
I see it this way as well. If anyone else played like that, I would be more critical. But Tony is Tony. Historically and everything else, that matters.

That said, I much prefer the 1964-1965 version of Tony. His playing on those early records is almost unrecognizable from the post-Lifetime edition. Still explosive and bursting with creativity, but more... exploring, I guess is the word I'd use. More use of dynamics and a lighter touch overall.
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that type of explosiveness and exploration you can hear all the way back to the Jackie McLean recordings of him at 16 and 17 years old

I'm not sure there is another drummer to ever touch sticks that I enjoy the playing of more than Tony

and in my opinion his best work happened between Vertigo and MIles in the sky

but Tony can do no wrong in my opinion .... especially on those early McLean, Dolphy and Davis records

no one before or since has approached the instrument like Tony Williams

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I see it this way as well. If anyone else played like that, I would be more critical. But Tony is Tony. Historically and everything else, that matters.
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but Tony can do no wrong in my opinion ....
Not wanting to be a troublemaker (much) but this jazz hamster thinks it's fine to allow yourself your taste, no matter how great the artist. No one's perfect. The fire, facility and flow of ideas that Tony is noted for was no doubt behind his (allegedly) overplaying against the soloist.

A master musician like Tony will necessarily break the rules because he's re-writing the rule book. I expect it seemed a bit formulaic for him to only "speak" in the soloist's spaces, with the memory of some of Miles's collective improvs ...
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I've been going through sidemen's discography of various albums and found this one. Jaki Byard is always great, and dare I mention Alan Dawson?
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Please don't kill me, but in this video I find Tony's drumming, as truly great as it is, to be overplaying. The soloists don't have a chance.
Fear not, I don't do any personal murdering anymore, it's all handled by my minions. At any rate, I almost agree with you... Normally that would have been a bit much for me as well, but that's one of the things I liked about it, how it skirted the line for taste... And more than that, I just thought the whole ensemble was playing really well together, and the music had a good feel to it.
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just wanted to share what I have been listening to for the last few days

can't get enough of this record

if any of you have not heard it......check it out

burning record ....and of course one of the greatest of all time on the kit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUFGGg_7OZA
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another great one

Louis Hayes on drums here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh-wpcvo-Oo
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RIP Donald Byrd - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/ar...ies-at-80.html

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Very sad.. Just browsed his catalog. I had no idea how many giants he played with.. Holy $#!%!!

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Anyone ever heard of Michael Vachter, in particular his work with Jewels and Binoculars? Hit upon some of his work purely by accident (researching arrangements for a song called Jack-a-Roe of which they do a cool version). Plays some pretty mean funky stuff. Unfortunately not easy to find online:
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just wanted to share what I have been listening to for the last few days

can't get enough of this record

if any of you have not heard it......check it out

burning record ....and of course one of the greatest of all time on the kit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUFGGg_7OZA
So, so good. One of my faves.
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another great one

Louis Hayes on drums here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh-wpcvo-Oo
Not many can cover Monk without making fools of themselves, but Barry Harris can.

Hmm. Barry Harris, Louis Hayes, the sad news about Donald Byrd (RIP, Donald)... all Detroit jazz legends.
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just wanted to share what I have been listening to for the last few days

can't get enough of this record

if any of you have not heard it......check it out

burning record ....and of course one of the greatest of all time on the kit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUFGGg_7OZA

had not heard sonny clark before, this is seriously great stuff!
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had not heard sonny clark before, this is seriously great stuff!
if you had not heard Sonny before than you have to hear his version of speak low with Coltrane blowing on it and Art Taylor on drums

one of my all time favorites

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This probably goes without saying, but for those who haven't checked out a lot of Sonny "Cool Struttin" is a classic (Philly Joe again):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7adOEBWRh0
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Wanted to post some music from a recent gig I played with one of my favorite bass players in the DC area Joe Bussey. Listen to that hump (headphones recommended)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfS4VIh48Tc

Which also reminded me, can we talk about how much of a difference a good bass player makes?! Playing with a guy like Joe is like riding a bike downhill, totally effortless and thrilling at the same time.
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just wanted to share what I have been listening to for the last few days

can't get enough of this record

if any of you have not heard it......check it out

burning record ....and of course one of the greatest of all time on the kit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUFGGg_7OZA
My goodness. That opening number had me from note one. Going on the list for my next trip to the record shop. Thanks!
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This probably goes without saying, but for those who haven't checked out a lot of Sonny "Cool Struttin" is a classic (Philly Joe again):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7adOEBWRh0
Funny...

I was going to post the exact same thing. Great record!
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Wanted to post some music from a recent gig I played with one of my favorite bass players in the DC area Joe Bussey. Listen to that hump (headphones recommended)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfS4VIh48Tc

Which also reminded me, can we talk about how much of a difference a good bass player makes?! Playing with a guy like Joe is like riding a bike downhill, totally effortless and thrilling at the same time.

killin' Andrew....just killin'

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killin' Andrew....just killin'

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Thanks Anthony!

A good bass player makes all the difference (I know you know what I am talking about)!
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Wanted to post some music from a recent gig I played with one of my favorite bass players in the DC area Joe Bussey. Listen to that hump (headphones recommended)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfS4VIh48Tc

Which also reminded me, can we talk about how much of a difference a good bass player makes?! Playing with a guy like Joe is like riding a bike downhill, totally effortless and thrilling at the same time.
Great music Andrew. Swinging us all into bad health!

Yes, a good bass player is everything. It is something that I've been especially aware of recently. Playing the same songs with different groups, I noticed that the feel of everything is tied very heavily to the bass player. I mean, where I would've probably blamed myself for shortcomings in the sound of the band, I am learning that it's got more to do with the bass player that I had ever realized.

I think most of us tend to look inward when something is not happening with the feel of the music. It's just what, as drummers, we do. Blaming anyone else feels wrong. It's sort of like blaming your pants for shrinking when the problem is that you're gaining weight. :) But the reality is that, yes, the bass player can really make a huge difference that we can't overcome one way or the other.
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Thanks Anthony!

A good bass player makes all the difference (I know you know what I am talking about)!
absolutely I do

in this music we play he is the wheels on the skateboard .....the wave under the surfboard
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