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Old 01-29-2013, 01:01 AM
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I posted this on the Pearl forums but thought maybe someone may find this helpful...
PDP Concept Maple

First off, let me say that I do not claim to be a "drummer." I like playing the drums and I have played the drums a long time but I don't know what the difference is between a paradiddle and a flam and I am sure my timing is horrible along with my technique. I just play for fun and I realize that I am not that great and my knowledge is limited. I just learned by listening so my views and opinions are nothing more than that...

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Boxing and un boxing
The drums came very well boxed and they took great care to package things in a way that they would not get scratched or rubbed. They fit many pieces inside of larger drums to maximize space. I took pics of the boxes but can't find them. They included all the necessary parts as well as some extras. Upon arrival, I thought there were drums missing as the whole set was shipped in 2 boxes. They even throw in a kick drum pillow as well as some extra parts. For their packaging, I would score it 10 out of 10.




Set up, hardware build quality and initial thoughts

Upon putting the set together, I managed to strip out one of the lugs because I took off the reso kick head to add a chrome mic ring and was too lazy to put it back on in an upright position. After taking the lug off, I realized that they supplied me with several extra tension rods and lug insert thingys. Beyond that, set up was fairly easy. Since I rack mounted the toms, It took a little bit for me to get the clamps all in the right position. Coming from a Pearl Export, I didn't really like how thin the tom mounts were especially on the 12 inch tom. At first it seemed a little unsteady and I was worried that they may strip out due to the weight of the tom. I have had this set for a couple of months and it hasn't moved at all. One thing I really liked with this set is that due to the f.a.s.t tom sizes and their shallower depths, I could lower these toms quite a bit above the kick. I took off the bass drum tom mount and made it somewhat "virgin" and I have heard of people covering the holes but my rack covers it up so I left it be.

The dual turret lugs look ok to me. I have read many people complaining that they are ugly but they don't bother me. The White finish I got is a Pearlescent white that looks classy and well finished. I came from a black export set and everything was black in my music room for a long time so the white was a fresh breath of air for me. The Kick drum legs are very steady and set up easy. The bass drum hoop has a rubber part so the pedal doesn't mess it all up. I did notice that with my pedal clamped on, my beater angle is not exactly straight. I did lift the front end up about enough to fit fingers underneath so it is not on the ground but it doesn't seem to affect anything. There may be an adjustment on my DW 9000 that I can do. The floor toms were typical floor toms and were no trouble at all.

I checked all the bearing edges and they all looked good except one small imperfection on the kick drums reso side. It was so very small that it doesn't really show up in pics so it wasn't an issue. I did notice that the inside of the shells were smooth but I think if I hit it with some 220 sandpaper, it would be smoother. I didn't feel it was worth it to worry about it. The hardware all went on smooth and it feels like a sturdy, hi quality set.

I would rate the hardware an 8 out of 10. I think it could be a little beefier. The appearance would be a 9 out of 10 for me. I love how it looks! Build quality is a 9 out of 10 for me.





Sound and playability
Right out of the box the set was somewhat tuned. The stock skins are pretty bad. I immediately ordered all new Evans G2 clear skins for all the toms and the difference was night and day especially after I tuned them up. I did leave the stock heads on the kick and I felt that they were fine. I just took off the logo and added a chrome o ring for micing and put one of those pedal patches to the batter side so I don't wear it out. After getting everything set up, I feel that I can play faster on this set and I have more fun on it too.

I was reading up on the tune bot that everyone has been using and decided to try to tune them with a free app on my android phone called "DaTuner Light" It took a lot of patients but I really love the end result. Here are the settings I used that I found on the forums by someone else that I liked:
8x7 tom - 318Hz batter/ 318Hz resonant
10x8 tom - 253Hz batter/ 253Hz resonant
12x9 tom - 200Hz batter/ 200 Hz resonant
14x14 floor tom - 159Hz batter/ 159Hz resonant
16x16 floor tom - 126Hz batter/ 126Hz resonant

For the kick I just went just past wrinkle and then one turn looser on the batter and on the reso I went just past wrinkle and then about 1 turn tighter.
I have played a few Yamahas, DWs, Pearl exports and Masters and some others so I can compare my opinions to a number of sets.

The rack toms REALLY sing. The resonance after tuning them was incredible. The attack is sharp and focused but still warm with a vibrant "dong". I didn't think I would like the little 8" tom much but I find myself using it the most out of the rack toms. The floor toms sound pretty good. Warm and full of rumble in the low end. I did add some pearl isolating rubber feet to the 16" and it helped the sustain and will do the same to the 14" in time. The kick sounds a little flabby (if that is a term?) no matter what I do but when I record it, it seems to sound fine to me. It packs a nice punch and sits well in the mix. The most disappointing thing about this kit is the snare. By far the weakest link is this run of the mill snare. The magnetic throw off switch is cool but I just can't get the snare to sound good at all. I am mainly using my little pork pie squealer and will keep the pdp as a back up or for something else. I think I am biased because it is mine but so far, I like this set better than just about any other set I have owned and played, including the higher end sets. Sound is an 8 out of 10. Would be a 9 except for the snare.

I included a small recording I did of the kit at the very bottom of this post. I couldn't figure out a way to have video with a miced sound with what I own but I was just fooling around and wanted to present each piece of the kit. The only thing I did with the mix was added panning to the overheads and to the toms. There is no effects, compression or anything else. I don't even think the levels are right. I am brand new to using this recording program and this is literally the first thing I have done with it.



Here is some technical stuff:
For the recording I used an AKG 112 on the kick, sm 57 for the 8" and 10", sm57 for the 12", PG56 on the 14" , At pro 25 on the 16" ATM33a overhead condenser above the rides and crashes, Sm 81 condenser on the overhead hi hats and a sm 57 beta on the snare through a Presonus firestudio tube and then into Presonus Studio one 2.5. I have 14" Ziljan quick beat hats, A custom crashes and China and a weird old 22" sabian ride a 20" sabian ride (unknown model) some wuhan and odd ball splashes, DW 9000 pedal and a pork pie little squaler snare with a gibralter rack.








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Old 01-29-2013, 01:15 AM
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Excellent review. I too didn't think I would be a big fan of my 8" Tom, but I too find myself using it more than my 10" and 12" toms. Maybe it's just in a very comfortable location.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:35 AM
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Are the batter heads G 2 clears?
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:27 AM
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Just a little peeve of mine.............should be able to mount all the toms to show the badge face fwd to the audience.........or in other words, the beauty of the kit versus the mounting hardware

nice kit

I use PDP Maple.....................my poor mans version of DW, they sound great
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Another badge fan!

I remember the last one...
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:03 AM
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Thanks everyone!. Yeah, I should have noticed that about the badges but then again, the only "audience" I will ever see would be some cats. I really only record but I may fix them in the future. And yes, I switched the stock heads to evans g2 clears. I left all the reso heads stock. To me, it sounds great how it is. The kick still has a subtle overtone that I am not used to but it's growing on me. I may get one of those emad heads to see what that does someday. I played a DW set and I was surprised how much alike the PDP sounds. Of course the DW sounds a little better but not enough to warrant the price.
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Another badge fan!

I remember the last one...
If I am reading your reply in the right context, then I will state that the next time you gaga over a kit, then display the kit as it should be, and that is NOT with the hardware face forward versus the shell...................

Its like walking into a room assbackwards
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If I am reading your reply in the right context, then I will state that the next time you gaga over a kit, then display the kit as it should be, and that is NOT with the hardware face forward versus the shell...................

Its like walking into a room assbackwards
Why is it such a big deal?

Look. Last time somebody told somebody how to display their badges and got edgy about it, they ended up being banned. It's a very sensitive subject around here - seriously.

If you are arsebackwards, you're walking in the correct way. Facing forwards.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:43 AM
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Why is it such a big deal?

Look. Last time somebody told somebody how to display their badges and got edgy about it, they ended up being banned. It's a very sensitive subject around here - seriously.

If you are arsebackwards, you're walking in the correct way. Facing forwards.
Lol. Mine are facing forward but I don't really pay attention to other sets unless I am trying to figure out what they are. Since the op told what they were I didn't really care.
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Why is it such a big deal?

Look. Last time somebody told somebody how to display their badges and got edgy about it, they ended up being banned. It's a very sensitive subject around here - seriously.
This is a drummer forum, and you use the term "seriously"

C'mon man. Go flag the moderator.

Look at any pics from a PRO setup. The badge is always postioned by the MFG in an area that coincides with the beauty of the shell......be happy
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:35 AM
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To be honest, they came positioned that way. For me to change the position with those mounts, I would have had to take the lugs all the way off with how my rack is set up. I try to get the heads facing a way that is somewhat logical but it's only going to be used for recording. If it really bothers some members in here, I would be happy to photoshop them to the front. That would be a lot less effort than actually doing it and everyone would be happy.
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This is a drummer forum, and you use the term "seriously"

C'mon man. Go flag the moderator.

Look at any pics from a PRO setup. The badge is always postioned by the MFG in an area that coincides with the beauty of the shell......be happy
I could rip holes in your grammar and word choice too but I see that as a rather pointless endeavour. I'm really not sure why you're being quite so defensive about badges.

In terms of 'professional' drummers - and I've met a few - practical considerations are far more important than the badges are. The badges are just vanity additions from a manufacturer and many of them are too large, garish and poorly designed.

When I'm playing, I stick the toms where they're comfortable and give no consideration to where the badges are. Does the audience need to know the brand of my drums? No. It just matters that they're comfortably set up for me and tuned properly so that they sound good. Those are my only two major considerations. Aesthetics comes a very distant third and frankly, the badges rarely add to the aesthetics of the drums.

If you're that hung up about it then that's fine. The next time that you have ten minutes to set up before sound check though and place your drums uncomfortably because you've prioritised the badge placement, don't come crying to me for sympathy.
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This is a drummer forum, and you use the term "seriously"

C'mon man. Go flag the moderator.

Look at any pics from a PRO setup. The badge is always postioned by the MFG in an area that coincides with the beauty of the shell......be happy
Sorry, but I have to jump in here. Why would u care so much about how someone else's kit is set up? All drummers set up to there own likings anyway? We all know that.

On another note. I have a snare that I HAVE to aim the badge between my legs because the vent hole is on the other side. If I set it so the vent hole would be between my legs, then the reso would pop due to my jeans covering the hole. This has happened b4.

So, does it bother u that my snare badge doesn't face towards the viewers?
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the vent hole would be between my legs,
Aren't they all? :)
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Aren't they all? :)
I had a pearl piccolo that the vent was built into the badge. Also, the Pearl sensitone snares have the vent built into the badge.
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I had a pearl piccolo that the vent was built into the badge. Also, the Pearl sensitone snares have the vent built into the badge.
My 1950s bass drum has this 'feature'. The badge is wonderfully small and I moved it after upgrading the vent grommets.
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I could rip holes in your grammar and word choice too but I see that as a rather pointless endeavour.

PLEASE DO

The next time that you have ten minutes to set up before sound check though and place your drums uncomfortably because you've prioritised the badge placement, don't come crying to me for sympathy.
MEMORY LOCKS plus gig experience

Now, when you decide to bash the usage of the english language, which is a deflection of the topic and a defensive position, consider...............

that a rack tom is designed with an appearance side and a service side.

Most drum hardware(tom mounts) provide universal adjustments, whether in the kick, on a stand, or on a rack. The PATIENCE required to setup properly says tons about the musician behind the kit. Just ask any drum tech who learned the hard way from the man behind the kit.

I get the feeling Rockwood, GP, and First ACT might be in somebody's vocabulary/basement with ZBT and B8, PlanetZ, and all the other pie shells?
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A rack tom is designed to be played. That's the primary function of the rack tom. Otherwise it would be redundant.

Which way around it is placed makes little difference to how it sounds. Quite simply, I couldn't give a flying proverbial about the way it's placed as long as it's comfortable and stable. Some drums have two badges - one on each side. Both are 'appearance' sides in that instance. In my own instance, I don't use the supplied hardware so it makes no difference where the mount is; I just don't care. I don't need memory locks, either. I have plenty of patience in setting my kit up but sometimes for reasons outside of anybody's control, there isn't the time for anal retentive navel-gazing.

'Properly' means different things to different people. To me? I just don't care. They're drums. My playing will speak the volumes, not if the badge is a femtometre off-axis to the third girl to the right in the fifth row. I don't care if that girl in the third row knows what the brand of my drums is. It could be a CB for all I care as long as it sounds good.

My drums aren't CB. It's a Tamburo ply set. So what? My snare doesn't match and sometimes my bass drum doesn't match. I don't suffer from the vanity of having a 'big name' set. Anybody in the audience that does care could ask me - and they have in the past.

I didn't attack your grammar or word choice. You attacked mine. I'm not going to be petty and pick holes in your style of writing because it's irrelevant as long as it is understood. If you want to do that to me, that's just fine but I won't do it back because - like drum badges - it's pointless.

Also, it's poor etiquette to mis-quote somebody else's post with your own additions without splitting the quote.
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Mr. Rimshot,

Why don't you set up your drums as you like and let others can set up as they like. The OP's drums are set up just fine and look great to me. Sometimes to get the drums in a comfortable position the badges don't show as much. Tough.
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Most older/classic drums ,that were drilled for mounts, didn't have forward facing badges.
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I thought the drums sounded pretty good, & I much prefer these lugs to the standard DW turrets, but that's just my preference.

As for badges, I suppose if they're regarded as an integral part of the aesthetic, then to some, their placement may have some importance. To such manufacturers, I suspect badge placement is probably more a brand exposure issue than it is to most players, although many players are brand focused, and regard displaying their chosen brand as important. As with all things, it's a personal thing, & everyone is entitled to their POV.

We get around such issues by making sure our badges are as small as possible, thus relieving our customers from the stress of placement considerations, plus we make both the appearance & sound of our drums so distinctive, that you don't have to ask who made them ;)

These PDP kits have a more "generic Asian parts bin" vibe to their hardware, so for those who find brand exposure important, I suppose badge placement becomes a consideration.
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:01 AM
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The point is missed once again, and easily by younger drummers.

In the OLD DAYS, the hardware sucked

Now, it is engineered to mount the shells Properly, so why not be diligent, and proud of your kit versus being halfassed, as halfassed is a reflection of ones laziness

WORK IT OUT, spend the time to get it right
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You're still missing the point.

Some of us don't have the time for anal-retentive navel-gazing and need to soundcheck in a hurry.

Get over it, seriously.
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