...for the jazz cats ...

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

I'm sure when we play it for the gig the band will just play the head form....at least I hope...hahaha.....not too worried about it


yeah that is totally what they are doing....riding the B 2 extra times .....thanks 8

but it seems that in Miles first chorus they don't hit the 3/4.......am I losing my mind ?


I found this great live version

very interesting what they do to the form....I love it

it seems in this version under solos they play 6 measures of 3/4 and just 2 measures of 4/4 in the B .

I for the life of me cannot make sense of the form change and when the B hits under the solos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o40smfOyIso

Yeah, I totally hear what you mean!

Sounds like 6 measures of 3/4 and 2 measures of 4/4 during the B. That's exactly what I think is going on.

I do hear the 3/4 in Miles 1st chorus. It starts at 1:23. But as you say, it follows the altered B form you mention. It seems like the rest of the solos follow that as well.

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by 8Mile

Yeah, I totally hear what you mean!

Sounds like 6 measures of 3/4 and 2 measures of 4/4 during the B. That's exactly what I think is going on.

I do hear the 3/4 in Miles 1st chorus. It starts at 1:23. But as you say, it follows the altered B form you mention. It seems like the rest of the solos follow that as well.

can you figure out where the B comes in under the solos?

is there an extra A?

it is definitely not landing where it lands in the head

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

can you figure out where the B comes in under the solos?

is there an extra A?

it is definitely not landing where it lands in the head

I hear one extra A right before Miles' first chorus. I'm checking the rest of the tune now (this is fun)

Another extra A in the second chorus.

But I didn't hear an extra A during Wayne's first chorus.

Or maybe I'm fuzzing out now and missed it :)

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by 8Mile

I hear one extra A right before Miles' first chorus. I'm checking the rest of the tune now (this is fun)

it is a blast

I must be getting old because I love doing this stuff

...and this form under the solos is throwing me for a loop right now and I must concur it

:)

and I think that A before Miles is just the last A of the AABA form ....no?

[Anthony Amodeo]

I got it 8

it is exactly what we said it was

under the solos the B is tripled but with 6 measures of 3/4 and 2 measures of 4/4

so very interesting


so the head is AABA and under the solos it is AABBBA with the altered Bs

(wipes sweat off brow)

I would still be struggling to figure this out without your help brother ....thanks

they disguise that 3 very well at points

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

and I think that A before Miles is just the last A of the AABA form ....no?

Yeah, of course. Sorry.

I gotta go back through this one again! I'm like you that way... gotta figure it out!

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

I got it 8

it is exactly what we said it was

under the solos the B is tripled but with 6 measures of 3/4 and 2 measures of 4/4

so very interesting

Aha! Man, that is some beautiful sh**. It makes for great tension, doesn't it?

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by 8Mile

Aha! Man, that is some beautiful sh**. It makes for great tension, doesn't it?

I've just fallen in love with this tune all over again in a whole new light

that is some smoking ish right there ....my goodness

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

I got it 8

it is exactly what we said it was

under the solos the B is tripled but with 6 measures of 3/4 and 2 measures of 4/4

so very interesting


so the head is AABA and under the solos it is AABBBA with the altered Bs

(wipes sweat off brow)

I would still be struggling to figure this out without your help brother ....thanks

they disguise that 3 very well at points

Awesome. Lots of fun, thanks for putting this one out there.

Yeah, they disguise the 3 well indeed. The shift between 4 and 3 and back, effortlessly, is one of the things I love most about this band.

That live clip is SICK. God, I loved that group.

[kafkapenguin]

All this Joshua talk made me pull out my favorite Miles album "live at the plugged nickle"...stretching the stratosphere on this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYSaX-za64E

[kafkapenguin]

Here's another Joshua...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o40smfOyIso

[Dr_Watso]

Just wanted to say that "jazz artists guild" link provided in this thread was amazing! What a group!

[Elvis]

Hate to pull the subject away from this fascinating Miles discussion, but been grooving to a wonderful album I found a few years ago.



If you'e unaware of the great Sonny Stitt, check him out. Legendary player.
Kenny Dennis is the drummer featured here.



Elvis

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Hate to pull the subject away from this fascinating Miles discussion, but been grooving to a wonderful album I found a few years ago.



If you'e unaware of the great Sonny Stitt, check him out. Legendary player.
Kenny Dennis is the drummer featured here.



Elvis

great record right there

one of my favorite Stitt moments right here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otLaaoyWmIg

another right here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkhsqnDFbBg

[Anthony Amodeo]

you guys have to check out this vid.

just great great stuff right here.......some of the greats reminiscing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8jYVMZZxgE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOJupvfRU-c

[Elvis]

How I discovered Sonny Stitt...AND Sal Salvador!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZtla5c0Qag



Elvis =)

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

you guys have to check out this vid.

just great great stuff right here.......some of the greats reminiscing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOJupvfRU-c

Favourited for later viewing.
Thanks!


Elvis

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Favourited for later viewing.
Thanks!


Elvis

check these out as well....great stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BJfH9q_oig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8jYVMZZxgE

[8Mile]

Stitt is amazing. Just ridiculous. Here's a fave of mine from his catalog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld92Fa9sn6g

I love those Haynes and Rollins clips. Wow. It just blows my mind what musical experiences those cats have had. I mean, recalling a session from 1948. That's like 20 years before I was f***ing BORN. And they were making historic music. And hanging around now, talking about it. And they're still sharp, remembering those dates. Especially Haynes. He sounds like a young man.

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by 8Mile

Stitt is amazing. Just ridiculous. Here's a fave of mine from his catalog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld92Fa9sn6g

I love those Haynes and Rollins clips. Wow. It just blows my mind what musical experiences those cats have had. I mean, recalling a session from 1948. That's like 20 years before I was f***ing BORN. And they were making historic music. And hanging around now, talking about it. And they're still sharp, remembering those dates. Especially Haynes. He sounds like a young man.

I wish there was still that whole buzzing scene like there was back then .....everyone swapping gigs and supporting each other

just doesn't happen much today

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

I wish there was still that whole buzzing scene like there was back then .....everyone swapping gigs and supporting each other

just doesn't happen much today

Born at the wrong time, man. That's how I feel about it, anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I love technology, modern medicine, etc. But if I could have been a young man back then, I would have been in heaven. Just having a scene like that, going out and taking in all that music. I mean, can you imagine? "Hey, Ants. Let's go down to the Five Spot and check out Monk with Coltrane tonight." "Okay. Then, after that, let's see Miles at the Cafe Bohemia."

Like a dream. And it really happened. The lucky ones who got to be around through that, man am I envious!

[groove1]

I was lucky to have seen and heard Sonny Stitt many times in Chicago in the 60's. The
most memorable was when a group cancelled (winter flight didn't arrive on schedule) and
a group of "musicians in town" was put together for the club. It began with Groove Holmes
on a B3 organ and a drummer (and I have no idea who he was!)....in came Gene Ammons,
Dexter Gordon and Sonny Stitt, all 3 on tenors...dang! It was heaven. Dexter was residing
in Europe but was in the states for a bit. It was the one and only time I saw him.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by 8Mile

Don't get me wrong, I love technology, modern medicine, etc. But if I could have been a young man back then, I would have been in heaven

I don't know,...you think?
I say, it's all relative.
Keep your memories, because the generations that are coming up (some of which may not even be born yet) are gonna be sayin' the same thing about US, like we are about those guys 20 years our seniors.
I get a little of it, already.
"Man, you played there back in the 80's?"
"Yeah, but it was different back then."
You've never seen a group of 20 and 30 year olds so agape in your life.
Sometimes I almost wanna bust out laughing. It's such a strange feeling to have people react like that. =)



Elvis

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by 8Mile

Born at the wrong time, man. That's how I feel about it, anyway.

My Dad always said that about me. He lived through it and passed so much information onto me before he passed. I was blessed.

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo

you guys have to check out this vid.

just great great stuff right here.......some of the greats reminiscing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8jYVMZZxgE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOJupvfRU-c

Beautiful puts it mildly.....................

[Numberless]

I had a lot of fun following along Joshua up there, great stuff!

[brady]

Originally Posted by groove1

I was lucky to have seen and heard Sonny Stitt many times in Chicago in the 60's. The
most memorable was when a group cancelled (winter flight didn't arrive on schedule) and
a group of "musicians in town" was put together for the club. It began with Groove Holmes
on a B3 organ and a drummer (and I have no idea who he was!)....in came Gene Ammons,
Dexter Gordon and Sonny Stitt, all 3 on tenors...dang! It was heaven. Dexter was residing
in Europe but was in the states for a bit. It was the one and only time I saw him.

That reminded of the first Sonny Stitt record I ever bought...w/ the Oscar Peterson Trio.

Some great tunes on that one.

[haredrums]

Hey Guys,

I have really been digging this Ben Wolfe album "No Strangers Here" recently. Great band with Hutch on drums, and absolutely gorgeous string arrangements! Check this ballad out:

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LnV89ilFjw

Thought you guys might appreciate this.

[philosafari]

Recently found this: Ed Blackwell said that it was his favorite album he played on(apparently he listened to it pretty regularly throughout his life). Eric Dolphy and Booker Little Live at the Five Spot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxQs-Zhuslc

[Elvis]

Right on.
It's almost a crime that more people aren't into Ed Blackwell.


Elvis

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by haredrums

Hey Guys,

I have really been digging this Ben Wolfe album "No Strangers Here" recently. Great band with Hutch on drums, and absolutely gorgeous string arrangements! Check this ballad out:

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LnV89ilFjw

Thought you guys might appreciate this.

haredrums,

I'm sure its a wonderful vid, but your link is invalid.
Could you please re-post it?



Elvis

[philosafari]

Originally Posted by Elvis

haredrums,

I'm sure its a wonderful vid, but your link is invalid.
Could you please re-post it?



Elvis

I just took the "v=2LnV89ilFjw" and replaced another youtube vid's url with it. Let's see if this works for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LnV89ilFjw

[Elvis]

Thanks Philo, the link works now.
Definately worth the wait. Nice stuff!



Elvis

[dmacc]

Still feeding my Hank Mobley kick... Art Blakey and a young Freddie Hubbard. Swingin' Hard.

[con struct]

A couple of interesting new releases:



This includes a live concert featuring Miles' quintet playing some of the Bitch's Brew music two weeks before they recorded the album, along with other goodies. I'm thinking I've got to have this.



This is the first record Shorter has put out in eight years; it's his same quartet (with Brian Blade on drums) with six new Shorter compositions. Looks tempting.

[Drumolator]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Right on.
It's almost a crime that more people aren't into Ed Blackwell.


Elvis

I saw Ed Blackwell at the New Orleans Jazz Fest back in the 80s. He was playing with Old and New Dreams. Peace and goodwill.

[Numberless]

MUST HAVE WAYNE SHORTER NEW RECORD!

[Anthony Amodeo]

Originally Posted by con struct

This is the first record Shorter has put out in eight years; it's his same quartet (with Brian Blade on drums) with six new Shorter compositions. Looks tempting.

I had no idea this was coming out

I must own it

thank you J

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by con struct

A couple of interesting new releases:



This includes a live concert featuring Miles' quintet playing some of the Bitch's Brew music two weeks before they recorded the album, along with other goodies. I'm thinking I've got to have this.

This is huge. I hadn't even heard a peep about this until just now. Considering how much of that album was attributable to Teo Macero's work in the editing room, I want to hear how the music sounded in raw form.

[8Mile]

Originally Posted by philosafari

Recently found this: Ed Blackwell said that it was his favorite album he played on(apparently he listened to it pretty regularly throughout his life). Eric Dolphy and Booker Little Live at the Five Spot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxQs-Zhuslc

Yeah, it doesn't get any better than this. I'm always singing the praises of this one.

I don't think Eric Dolphy was ever better. This was just one of those special jazz record dates where everything turns out perfect.

[haredrums]

Originally Posted by philosafari

I just took the "v=2LnV89ilFjw" and replaced another youtube vid's url with it. Let's see if this works for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LnV89ilFjw

Thanks, I'm not sure how I screwed this up!