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Old 07-31-2005, 04:26 AM
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I read all the titles and found nothing on him so here goes.

I love his technique. I used to listen to all the "normal" stuff till I heard him. And it seems all I want to listen to is Dream Theater now. I have played for awhile, and most drummers have certain niches, or habits. Once you figure out what they are doing you can play it. I usually can play a song the 2nd or 3rd time I hear it, But his stuff takes weeks, months on some of it, just to figure out the numbers behind what he is doing.What drives me crazy is most people( non-players) look at me like Im crazy when I start to try to explain what he is doing. They are like, man he screwed that up, and Im like, No he just dropped a beat, He'll pick it up in a minute.His drumming has texture, all the normal stuff is boring now. Can anyone tell me of a comparable band, with all the technicality of DT?What do you guys think of Mike? Sorry if this is a repost.

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Old 07-31-2005, 04:59 AM
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Personally I think he's a basher playing complex music. His actual physical technique is pretty shocking, and to my ears he uses that whole 2xhands/2xfeet/4xhands/2xfeet stuff far too often. I also think the size of his kit is ludicrous for the musical results he gets, he could play the same kind of stuff on a kit a third of the size and still have plenty of room to move.

For that kind of stuff I'd vastly prefer to listen to Thomas Haake with Meshuggah (start with "Destroy Erase Improve") or something like Fredrik Thordendal's "Sol Niger Within" featuring Morgen Agren on drums.

But that's just me. I just reckon Portnoy kind of fits the profile his history would suggest - somebody who went to Berklee but never went to class.

EDIT: Ouch, that was a bit harsh. I'll be nicer. I do think Portnoy gets some impressive results, and his control over time is very good. He's quite a natural when it comes to playing stuff in odd groupings. His tone is also surprisingly good considering the fact that his hand technique looks like Dave Grohl's. But then, there's plenty of drummers who look hideous when they play but sound great - like Gary Husband. So yeah. I don't like his technique, the music isn't to my taste and I don't think he's quite as good as all the hype would suggest. But he's certainly a very solid player with some flashy chops.
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Old 07-31-2005, 05:16 AM
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@ finn

ill have to disagree, portnoy uses his whole kit most of the time. he wouldn't be able to do as much on a smaller kit. ill have to agree though, he does seem to use that 2x hand 2x feet ect.. quite often, but heck...to me its better then hearing a straight forward rock beat.


as for comparing thomas haake to portnoy...portnoy is way more technical then him. Ofcourse i have to admit haake definetly has some talent, portnoy seems to "do" more with his kit. ofcourse this is my oppinion though.

anywho..portnoy is definetly one of my favorite drummers. his sound, his technique, his presence and everything else is just awsome.
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Old 07-31-2005, 05:17 AM
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I dont experiment much with music. The tastes of most are weird to me. Are there any other drummers, who can actually play like him? Im talking about the stuff where his feet are playing 3-4 time, and he cymbal crashes on 4-4 time, or where he plays in a 4-4 time while the band plays in a 3-4 or 6-8. His timing is superb if you ask me. And hes a triple threat. Clean, Fast, and Technical. I know Rush has played weird time sigs before, but its like these guys could care less about a time sig. If the words require a 5-8 in the first measure and a 3-4 or 7-8 in the next, so be it.I think its borderline genious. Any one else play like that, if so who?
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Old 07-31-2005, 06:29 AM
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try danny carey from TOOL.
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Old 07-31-2005, 06:41 AM
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Yeh Danny does it heaps, good example the bridge i guess you'd call it on Lateralus at the 4:40 mark the whole band play something way different to each other, really good stuff.
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Old 07-31-2005, 06:42 AM
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Oh and Thomas Lang and Virgil Donati do it well too.
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Old 07-31-2005, 06:44 AM
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as for comparing thomas haake to portnoy...portnoy is way more technical then him. Ofcourse i have to admit haake definetly has some talent, portnoy seems to "do" more with his kit. ofcourse this is my oppinion though.
I'd disagree. Check out the solo on "Soul Burn", particularly from about 2:55 in. Ouch.
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Old 07-31-2005, 07:12 AM
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I saw Dream Theatre 2 years ago. I walked out after 6 songs. All I have to say about Mike Portnoy is he had really cool shoes.
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Old 07-31-2005, 09:49 AM
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I consider Kenneth Schalk from Candiria to be a master at the kind of drumming style you seem to be describing. They're very much like fusion-metal as opposed to prog-metal, so the approach is a little different, but it's very complex (the older stuff anyway). I think you can appreciate it.

I think Portnoy is a decent player, although I prefer a looser kind of style. His feel is a little too rigid for me, but it works with Dream Theater's music. Does he seem a little rushed sometimes to anyone else?
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Old 07-31-2005, 12:50 PM
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For that kind of stuff I'd vastly prefer to listen to Thomas Haake with Meshuggah (start with "Destroy Erase Improve") or something like Fredrik Thordendal's "Sol Niger Within" featuring Morgen Agren on drums.
That album is INCREDIBLE!!!!!
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Old 07-31-2005, 02:30 PM
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That album is INCREDIBLE!!!!!
Seen the video of Agren playing with Fredrik Thordendal here on Drummerworld?
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Old 07-31-2005, 02:30 PM
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Mike Portnoy is for me the perfect drummer for Dream Theater. I love their music. For me it's orgasmic music.

BUT: I don't like Mike in an other context. (for e.g. Yellow Matter Custard - plays way to hard and not creative for the kind of music)

Ok, Thomas Haake with Meshuggah is really good, but you certainly can't compare the styles. Haake wouldn't fit in Dream Theater like Portnoy does. But of course he is a really crazy drummer (got the cd "destroy erase..." 2 days ago). Some people want to play such kind of music (like Meshugghag) with me, mut I don't know if I'm able to.
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Old 07-31-2005, 07:13 PM
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I respect portnoy so much. He's basically the reason that I got into drums so heavily. I remember about 4 years ago when my friend would show me DT cd's and I'd be so amazed because I'd never heard anything so ..... odd. I would get him to give me CD's and I would just learn all of portnoy's licks on my basement floor because I didn't have a double kick pedal yet. His playing pretty much inspired me to get into odd times and it helps me bring it into jazz playing which makes it all the more interesting. But like any drummer, it gets to the point where you understand what they are doing and you find them 'boring' or 'tasteless'. But if there's one thing I've realized, is that you can learn something from EVERY drummer. And personally, I love the music (maybe because I literally like every style of music =\ )
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Old 08-01-2005, 01:27 AM
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I consider Kenneth Schalk from Candiria to be a master at the kind of drumming style you seem to be describing. They're very much like fusion-metal as opposed to prog-metal, so the approach is a little different, but it's very complex (the older stuff anyway). I think you can appreciate it.
I've got 300% Density around somewhere and it sounds to my ear like some of his timing is a bit off. Is the newer stuff better in that respect? It sounds a bit uncertain, nothing like as solid as Portnoy for example.
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Old 08-01-2005, 07:01 AM
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I've got 300% Density around somewhere and it sounds to my ear like some of his timing is a bit off. Is the newer stuff better in that respect? It sounds a bit uncertain, nothing like as solid as Portnoy for example.
I always found his timing to be pretty precise. I see what you mean about that "a bit uncertain" thing. At first I thought that too- alot of times on their old stuff, I'd think I hear him miss something, but when I listen to the segment again I notice some of his weird displacements and transitions. He's very jazzy on those albums and he has an interesting way of working around a beat that does sometimes sound a little weird, but there definitely is a very unique, very dynamic, often very embellished groove to it that'll make your head nod in a strangely pleasant way if you can get into it. Not to say his timing is perfect, cause mine sure as hell isn't so I can't judge someone elses. The newer album called "What Doesn't Kill You" has more straightforward rhythms, even in the odd time segments, and I did notice the timing was a hell of a lot tighter. And I always thought he was as solid as Portnoy.
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Old 08-01-2005, 08:05 AM
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I saw Dream Theatre 2 years ago. I walked out after 6 songs. All I have to say about Mike Portnoy is he had really cool shoes.
You walked out? haha, why? (i might have too)
My thoughts on Portnoy are...Solid drummer. Very intelligent on his profession, but, I personally beleive, he just puts 4/4 stuff in different time signatures haha. Plus he is a bit cocky. Watch his Budokan dvd, he never sits down, and i heard he flicks people off during his concerts.
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Old 08-01-2005, 08:19 AM
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I always found his timing to be pretty precise. I see what you mean about that "a bit uncertain" thing. At first I thought that too- alot of times on their old stuff, I'd think I hear him miss something, but when I listen to the segment again I notice some of his weird displacements and transitions. He's very jazzy on those albums and he has an interesting way of working around a beat that does sometimes sound a little weird, but there definitely is a very unique, very dynamic, often very embellished groove to it that'll make your head nod in a strangely pleasant way if you can get into it. Not to say his timing is perfect, cause mine sure as hell isn't so I can't judge someone elses. The newer album called "What Doesn't Kill You" has more straightforward rhythms, even in the odd time segments, and I did notice the timing was a hell of a lot tighter. And I always thought he was as solid as Portnoy.
Spurred by your post I actually went digging and found that CD. I found both what I remembered and what you're saying is pretty much right - there's some stuff where I swear the time isn't quite metronomically correct, particularly in the unison sections with big gaps - there's a cymbal crash on the 10th track at about 1:42-44 that definitely sounds out of time with the rest of the band coming back in, things like that. But equally, he's very solid whenever he's in a groove, and I like his washy cymbal sounds and ghost notes a lot more than Portnoy's approach personally.

I did remember why I never listen to this album though. The engineering is horrible! I've recorded better sounding stuff than this, and I suck as an engineer! Also, they really need to get a new singer. This guy sounds like he's doing a very deliberate impression of a fourteen-year-old shouting at his parents about how unfair the world is, complete with nasal wobbling and sounding like he's about to start crying. The rest of the band are pretty good when he shuts up though. Best bit of the album I can find is the start of track #10 (before the vocals start) and the hidden instrumental track at the end.
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Old 08-01-2005, 03:42 PM
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as for comparing thomas haake to portnoy...portnoy is way more technical then him. Ofcourse i have to admit haake definetly has some talent, portnoy seems to "do" more with his kit. ofcourse this is my oppinion though.
man lots of ridiculous stuff written here( dyaxe was just an example): portnoy`s technique is really NOT that good, his stick conrol looks really odd to me, like someone else already said in this thread, and it is not right that you can`t recognize habits in his playing like for example this well-known combinations between the hands and the feet.
Man if you really want to listen to crazy stuff, try listening to meshuggah , spastic inc. or necrophagist(the craziest I know) dream theater is really simple compared to them.
saying that portnoy is way more technical than haake is so ridiculous, portnoy could never play the stuff haake does, and haake would be to bored playing portnoy`s stuff. Such crazy time-signature rotating like in meshuggah I have really never heard before
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Old 08-02-2005, 01:13 AM
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I really don't like the attitude of Portnoy, too much show off and that can be felt in his playing. Anyway there are lots of interesting things to learn by listening to him. But I really prefer in that style of music (DT or Liquid Drum Theater) drummers such as Sean Reinert (Gordian Knot, Aghora, Cynic) or the work of Marcel Dissantos in Atheist.
As for Necrophagist, on the 1st album it's a drum machine and on the second album it's "just" excellent Death Metal drumming (and I think that Muhammed Suicmez playing the guitare is what makes the difference in this band, not the drumming), anyway you can find such stuff in Iniquity, Psychophagist, Lost Soul and the list is almost endless.
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Old 08-02-2005, 02:21 AM
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I have respect for Tools drummer, and I liked the stuff from Creed, but all these others, I have never heard.

The reason I like Portnoy so much is his depth. There are albums they have that they play several different types and styles of music( listen to Change of seasons). He can go slow(which drives me crazy) and he can go fast. he can get technical, or play a little bluesy, or jazzy. I have learned 10 fold since I started playing DT. Hes not the fastest, the cleanest, or the most technical, but to say hes no good, to me is bold. I used to think I was a mediocre drummer, back when I played ONE from Metallica, and a little Pantera. But since I have stepped up to DT, I feel I am at least 2-3 times better.

One thing I have noticed though. If I dont play an album for awhile, say like Images and Words, and I go and try to play, Its like starting over. It might just be because I suck, but I only get about 2-3 hours practice a week.

I guess I need to try a few new groups, But im a little wearry of the crazy stuff. I have 3 kids and a wife who likes country(gag), so I have to keep it cool. I bought my Disturbed from Wal-mart because its edited. I dont get into the satanic stuff, or the really raw stuff, like Dio, or Zombie, but any bands along the lines od Tool, or Dream Theater, I would definately consider. Also I'll need band names, im not up on my drummers to much.

Im just a guy who likes to jam, I dont play in a band, never will. I like complex and crunchy music, and killer drums. Maybe someday my son will be a good drummer.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:22 AM
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I've never really gotten Pornoy. Its probably more a 'taste' issue with me. Also, as a fusion purist, I don't really get into the rockprogification (my word) of fusion. In otherwords, bands that incorporate fusion elements and chops, but try to make it somehow more standard rock sounding, to appeal to a broader listening audience. For me, its all or nothing. Either you are a rock band or you are a fusion band. The inbetween stuff is just really neither of each.

I liked Portnoy on the Modern Drummer DVD when he did the Beatles bit. It shows he is indeed musical and a far superior drummer than I'll ever be. Its just when he switches to that rediculous purple kit that he loses me. His playing is intense and awesome there too, but its just not my gig.

Not being a Dream Theater fan (my brother, a non-musician being their biggest fan ever), I can say I really dig their bassist. He's the only guy in the band demonstrating one lick of restraint.

Sorry to sound disrespectful (I'm not), but I just don't get them. Maybe its the fact they are such superior players on their instruments that the average rocker dude is just blown away by how good they are (in respect to other rock bands?). I dunno, I'm just throwing that out there for discussion.

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Old 08-02-2005, 03:34 AM
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I've never really gotten Pornoy. Its probably more a 'taste' issue with me. Also, as a fusion purist, I don't really get into the rockprogification (my word) of fusion. In otherwords, bands that incorporate fusion elements and chops, but try to make it somehow more standard rock sounding, to appeal to a broader listening audience. For me, its all or nothing. Either you are a rock band or you are a fusion band. The inbetween stuff is just really neither of each.
How do you figure that prog is borrowing from fusion more than the opposite is true? Billy Cobham was certainly influential for many of the fathers of modern prog drumming, but equally I don't think there's a lot of fusion drummers who aren't borrowing a few things from the likes of Bill Bruford on a regular basis. And they all borrow from the likes of Buddy Rich, Tony Williams and Elvin Jones.

You seem to feel that fusion is this source of all choppy musicianship and that other styles are just riding their coattails. Modern fusion chops are a combination of the paradiddle stuff made popular by both Bruford and Cobham, jazz drumming and afro-cuban material. It's quite easy to argue that modern prog is born of the same roots and therefore is no less valid in any way. It would be quite easy to argue that fusion is just pornificiation (my word!) of jazz and prog chops.
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Old 08-02-2005, 04:18 AM
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I've never really gotten Pornoy. Its probably more a 'taste' issue with me. Also, as a fusion purist, I don't really get into the rockprogification (my word) of fusion. In otherwords, bands that incorporate fusion elements and chops, but try to make it somehow more standard rock sounding, to appeal to a broader listening audience. For me, its all or nothing. Either you are a rock band or you are a fusion band. The inbetween stuff is just really neither of each.
What do you think fusion is? You could argue that "prog" is fusion as well...fusion is just the "fusion" of styles.
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Old 08-02-2005, 04:21 AM
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Well either way, if fusion borrows from DT or vice versa, I don't like the middle ground that DT walks. Is it rock or is it fusion? Its somewhere in between. I'm not saying its bad, I just think DT has a bit of an identity crisis.
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Old 08-02-2005, 04:37 AM
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Well either way, if fusion borrows from DT or vice versa, I don't like the middle ground that DT walks. Is it rock or is it fusion? Its somewhere in between. I'm not saying its bad, I just think DT has a bit of an identity crisis.
Not really, it's genre-happy prog rock. It seems like you're willing to give legitimacy to modern fusion as a genre (when it really is an amalgam of 70s fusion, jazz, latin and 80s AOR rock/pop) yet you won't extend the same to modern "prog-revival" music (which is an amalgam of 80s metal and 70s prog, mainstream rock and fusion). Dream Theater have a very clear identity - they rip off Rush about 80% of the time, and a combination of 80s and 90s metal and alt-rock acts (Pantera, Tool, Rage Against The Machine etc) the other 20% of the time.

I don't see how you can have respect for one as a unique style yet critique the other as suffering from an identity crisis. I think they're both suffering from one, being as fusion doesn't fuse styles anymore and prog isn't progressive. But you seem to disagree with one while asserting the other, which is just odd.
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Not really, it's genre-happy prog rock. It seems like you're willing to give legitimacy to modern fusion as a genre (when it really is an amalgam of 70s fusion, jazz, latin and 80s AOR rock/pop) yet you won't extend the same to modern "prog-revival" music (which is an amalgam of 80s metal and 70s prog, mainstream rock and fusion). Dream Theater have a very clear identity - they rip off Rush about 80% of the time, and a combination of 80s and 90s metal and alt-rock acts (Pantera, Tool, Rage Against The Machine etc) the other 20% of the time.

I don't see how you can have respect for one as a unique style yet critique the other as suffering from an identity crisis. I think they're both suffering from one, being as fusion doesn't fuse styles anymore and prog isn't progressive. But you seem to disagree with one while asserting the other, which is just odd.
Eh, I don't disrespect either. Please don't put words in my mouth. I PREFER one over the other, because I feel its more true to the pure form of musicality, while the other adds an element of popular music to it, and, as already established, I don't particularly care for pop-music.

The part where you say they are 20% Pantera/Tool/Rage (although they've been around longer than Tool and Rage) is exactly why I don't like them as much. Its that 20% (dare I say sell-out?) that seems like a concerted effort to be more popular, rather than be more gooder (my word!).

My point is I prefer the purists to the popularists is all. Completely 100% my opinion and perrogative. Your disagreement is kinda silly. Its like me saying I like Green Day, then you saying they are just a ripoff of 70s and 80s punk. Well, yeah, so. I still like it. (hypothetically speaking, of course).

I think we killed the whole "fusion sucks and is nothing more than crappy porn music" thread elsewhere.
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Personally I think he's a basher playing complex music. His actual physical technique is pretty shocking, and to my ears he uses that whole 2xhands/2xfeet/4xhands/2xfeet stuff far too often. I also think the size of his kit is ludicrous for the musical results he gets, he could play the same kind of stuff on a kit a third of the size and still have plenty of room to move.

For that kind of stuff I'd vastly prefer to listen to Thomas Haake with Meshuggah (start with "Destroy Erase Improve") or something like Fredrik Thordendal's "Sol Niger Within" featuring Morgen Agren on drums.

But that's just me. I just reckon Portnoy kind of fits the profile his history would suggest - somebody who went to Berklee but never went to class.

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i definately agree with this... but nevertheless hes still a good player.. does anyone know if that video of him at the drum clinic is by any chance the drum clinic in texas??
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Old 08-02-2005, 06:53 AM
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The part where you say they are 20% Pantera/Tool/Rage (although they've been around longer than Tool and Rage) is exactly why I don't like them as much. Its that 20% (dare I say sell-out?) that seems like a concerted effort to be more popular, rather than be more gooder (my word!).
You mean, unlike that 20% of fusion that sounds like 80s AOR? Oh, and just to address the swiping-from-Rage-and-Tool thing... that came later. First Tool/RATM cribs I noticed were on Scenes From A Memory (both in the early minutes of "Home") and there's a really obvious Pantera riff on "The Test That Stumped Them All" from SDIT. So yeah, that's just in recent years. Before that they just sounded like Rush, so I guess you can enjoy them as purist for everything prior to Falling Into Infinity, no?

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My point is I prefer the purists to the popularists is all. Completely 100% my opinion and perrogative. Your disagreement is kinda silly. Its like me saying I like Green Day, then you saying they are just a ripoff of 70s and 80s punk. Well, yeah, so. I still like it. (hypothetically speaking, of course).

I think we killed the whole "fusion sucks and is nothing more than crappy porn music" thread elsewhere.
This is a touch different. You do repeatedly seem to assert that other bands or styles of music are derivative of fusion (which suggests that fusion is superior, these other styles inferior) on a regular basis. That's really not the case. Fusion is derived from a bunch of other styles - hence the name - and those styles have also influenced other genres. It's a bit like saying that Brazillian music is derivative of Hip Hop because they share some minor rhythmic similarities in that they're both basically born from an African rhythmic tradition. You're quite welcome to say that, but it just doesn't make any sense.

If you want to talk about purists in Fusion, what are you listening to Vital Information for? They're very much later generation, heavily influenced fusion rather than the innovators that Return to Forever, Lifetime, Mahavishnu or Headhunters were. Your words don't add up to your tastes.
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Portnoy is a very talented drummer in a difficult band (to play for). His style fits the music quite well, and he has several intricate fills to show off, plus he eats odd time sigs for breakfast.

However, I think he uses the 2x/2x/2x method way too much for my liking. A few more variations on it would be fine, but he seems pretty content with it. Oh well.

I like the fact that he makes use of his entire drum set during the course of DT's albums, and not just regulate himself to the bass and snare like oh so many other drummers out there. Hey, its progressive rock anyway, and he fits the bill nicely, though I wouldn't place him as the poster child for it.
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I own a lot of video of Mike P. I love his "efficient play"
And he really is a big drums freak....

..but

People said "look at his double bass technic.. so great"... NO WAY.. he can't go upper 200 bpm for 5 min... but may be its only because he don't show it.
Lot of people say also: "he 's the god of drums.. just look at his kit its the bigger one on the world...etc"

That I'm trying to say its that, in the same way for Travis Baker, some fans just hammered my head all time with Portnoy here, and Portnoy there.. "Ho, can you play like Portnoy pliz" or "hum I don't like the way you play, may be its because I allways listen to Portnoy"..etc

Ant Thats really boring......

Like my band.. they are professionnal musicians, really good player and all this stuff (but they don't know the "hidden" part of drum history).. and they want to write my scores in our songs, jus tin the way they heards drums on M.P records....

That make me really sick.

I really love Mike P. (and Travis B.), he's a model for me, but some people just make me hate them because they have big mouths and think that those drummers are the only drummers on the world....


so disgusting.
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I own a lot of video of Mike P. I love his "efficient play"
And he really is a big drums freak....

..but

People said "look at his double bass technic.. so great"... NO WAY.. he can't go upper 200 bpm for 5 min... but may be its only because he don't show it.
Lot of people say also: "he 's the god of drums.. just look at his kit its the bigger one on the world...etc"

That I'm trying to say its that, in the same way for Travis Baker, some fans just hammered my head all time with Portnoy here, and Portnoy there.. "Ho, can you play like Portnoy pliz" or "hum I don't like the way you play, may be its because I allways listen to Portnoy"..etc

Ant Thats really boring......

Like my band.. they are professionnal musicians, really good player and all this stuff (but they don't know the "hidden" part of drum history).. and they want to write my scores in our songs, jus tin the way they heards drums on M.P records....

That make me really sick.

I really love Mike P. (and Travis B.), he's a model for me, but some people just make me hate them because they have big mouths and think that those drummers are the only drummers on the world....


so disgusting.
I agree Mike P and Travis both play with very technical and consistant style and are both fantastic drummers.
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Old 08-02-2005, 10:45 PM
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I also think he has great shoes
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how have you seen his shoes?
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Well, I actually expected more positive feedback on Mike. And Ive never heard of DT "ripping off" other bands. Oh well, its what you like I guess. Ive always thought they were pretty original.
Mike can play fast, I have a video of them playing Metallica's Damage Inc. with some screeming "singer" dont know who it is. Anyway, Its definately faster than metallica played it, but Id put money on the fact that Larz cant play DT's stuff, and alot of the people here like Larz . But, I also know he cant play as fast as Panteras drummer. I used to be pretty fast, but as I started to play DT, I lost the speed, and replaced it with technical abitlity. Thats what I like. I like the sound of the double basses going full tilt, but to me its more about the odd beats. And that he is good at.
As for him(or them) ripping off Rush, I dont see it. JMO, but I think Mike is better than Peart. Peart is a percussionist, in that he plays some other percussion instruments, Mike is a drummer. I guess Peart is a much better musician, but Mike is a better drummer.
As for the rest of the band I think they are all just as talented, except the singer. They have excellent timing as a group, and do very well together.
Again what bands do these other drummers play for, i might listen to them a bit.
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Well, I actually expected more positive feedback on Mike. And Ive never heard of DT "ripping off" other bands. Oh well, its what you like I guess. Ive always thought they were pretty original.
They've certainly been doing some blatent borrowing of late. Compare the start of "Home" with the start of "46&2" by Tool, and the subsequent distorted wah riff with about half of RATM's "Evil Empire" album. Also the unison motif in "The Test that Stumped Them All" with "By Demons Be Driven" by Pantera.
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Mike is one of my favourite drummers i just love all his stuff. I have 5 of the dream theater albums, live at budokan dvd and the liquid drum theater dvd and they are all amazing. I luv his drum sound live. To me he is a true drum god!
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People said "look at his double bass technic.. so great"... NO WAY.. he can't go upper 200 bpm for 5 min... but may be its only because he don't show it.
lol, are you a bit insane? Could you please tell me anyone who can go at 200 bpm for 5 mins?? lol I think noone can do this , except some complete WFD nerds
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.. it's was an image....

but I'm sure that "unknowed" people can do it.... and that doesn't mean they're good drummer....

it was an "example"
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for me, since metropolis part II (except for falling into infinity, wich I think is really poor), mr portnoy has kinda lost his way...he is way too far from that drummer who created those excellent arrangements for "when dream and day unite" and "images and words"... remember erotomania and 6 o´clock? where are them?

I wont demand for a band toalways put out great masterpieces but in fact, for me, dream theater has lost the way home since kevin moor quit them...
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