DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM   

Go Back   DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM > General Discussion

General Discussion General discussion forum for all drum related topics. Use this forum to exchange ideas and information with your fellow drummers.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #321  
Old 12-17-2012, 05:24 PM
?uesto's Avatar
?uesto ?uesto is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: South Florida
Posts: 665
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Maybe someone in here can help me. I got these two posters and have no idea who the players are. They could just be fictitious musicians, but I thought the Sax player looked like Bird. No clue who the trumpeter is though. Any ideas?


__________________
Yamaha Stage Custom Birch in Honey Amber
14" Club
Reply With Quote
  #322  
Old 12-17-2012, 05:59 PM
Anthony Amodeo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ?uesto View Post
Maybe someone in here can help me. I got these two posters and have no idea who the players are. They could just be fictitious musicians, but I thought the Sax player looked like Bird. No clue who the trumpeter is though. Any ideas?



looks to be fictitious characters loosely based on Bird and Diz ...who were a dynamic duo in the 40s
Reply With Quote
  #323  
Old 12-18-2012, 04:22 AM
_Leviathan_ _Leviathan_ is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 99
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Great thanks! Should keep me busy for a while.
Reply With Quote
  #324  
Old 12-18-2012, 04:23 AM
Elvis's Avatar
Elvis Elvis is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 26.5 miles west of Seattle, WA.
Posts: 668
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by _Leviathan_ View Post
I'm wondering if you jazz cats could give me some recommendations. :) My favorite jazz albums of all time are A Love Supreme by Coltrane and Empyrean Isles by Herbie Hancock. I love 1960's jazz of that type and want to get into more because that playing is just inspiring. The sound, the expression, technicality, the feeling. Any recommendations for that kind of style? I prefer quartets. Thanks!
Concerning Coltrane, A Love Supreme was just the beginning.
One of my favourite albums is ALS's follow-up, Meditations.
I've heard there's a "First Meditations", as well, but I'm unfamiliar with this recording.
There's also Innerstellar Space, Expressions and Stellar Regions...and let's not foget those classic Village Vanguard recordings.



Elvis
__________________
Cheese is milk's leap at immortality
Reply With Quote
  #325  
Old 12-18-2012, 05:09 AM
Elvis's Avatar
Elvis Elvis is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 26.5 miles west of Seattle, WA.
Posts: 668
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gvdadrummasum View Post
looks to be fictitious characters loosely based on Bird and Diz ...who were a dynamic duo in the 40s
If you ask me, the trumpet guy shares a closer resemblence to Roy Eldridge...



The sax guy reminds me more of Coleman Hawkins...



JMHO.




Elvis
P.S. Those are beautiful paintings. I'm a bit of art collector myself. Where did you get them?
__________________
Cheese is milk's leap at immortality
Reply With Quote
  #326  
Old 12-18-2012, 05:14 AM
Anthony Amodeo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvis View Post
If you ask me, the trumpet guy shares a closer resemblence to Roy Eldridge...

JMHO.




Elvis
P.S. Those are beautiful paintings. I'm a bit of art collector myself. Where did you get them?

the beret is a dead Diz giveaway

obviously a characterture ....but for sure based on Diz

the artist is Will Rafuse.....he calls them Jazz Cat Alley
Reply With Quote
  #327  
Old 12-18-2012, 05:23 AM
Elvis's Avatar
Elvis Elvis is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 26.5 miles west of Seattle, WA.
Posts: 668
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Can you show me a pic of Diz, from back then, wearing the beret?
I've heard this from othes, but have yet to see a pic of him actually wearing one.


Elvis
__________________
Cheese is milk's leap at immortality
Reply With Quote
  #328  
Old 12-18-2012, 05:28 AM
8Mile's Avatar
8Mile 8Mile is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 2,451
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Reply With Quote
  #329  
Old 12-18-2012, 05:28 AM
Anthony Amodeo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvis View Post
Can you show me a pic of Diz, from back then, wearing the beret?
I've heard this from othes, but have yet to see a pic of him actually wearing one.


Elvis



Reply With Quote
  #330  
Old 12-18-2012, 07:37 PM
Elvis's Avatar
Elvis Elvis is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 26.5 miles west of Seattle, WA.
Posts: 668
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE PAINTING!
























....kidding. Thanks for posting those. =)


Elvis
__________________
Cheese is milk's leap at immortality
Reply With Quote
  #331  
Old 12-19-2012, 06:42 PM
?uesto's Avatar
?uesto ?uesto is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: South Florida
Posts: 665
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Yeah, thanks for all the help guys. I imagine the artist would have had Dizzie and Bird in mind if he did them together. There's a third painting in this style of a bassist and pianist. Probably Duke and someone else?

__________________
Yamaha Stage Custom Birch in Honey Amber
14" Club
Reply With Quote
  #332  
Old 12-20-2012, 06:46 AM
Elvis's Avatar
Elvis Elvis is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 26.5 miles west of Seattle, WA.
Posts: 668
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Jazz Cat Alley II



Could the bass player be Charles Mingus or maybe Slam Stewart?



Elvis
__________________
Cheese is milk's leap at immortality
Reply With Quote
  #333  
Old 12-26-2012, 06:08 PM
Anthony Amodeo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

if any of you have never heard this......and even those who have

take 9:49 and treat yourself to some of the .....if not THE best drumming you will ever hear in your life.......and I'm dead serious

listen to a 17 year old Anthony Williams display the most unbelievable talent I have ever heard

his playing as an accompanist is absolutely amazing, inspiring, forward moving and thinking , and unbelievably unique

his solo in this tune is like nothing that had been heard at that point in 1963......seriously mind blowing

I mean......Elvin, Art, Bunker, Grady Tate, Roy, and a few other cats were playing some out stuff....but nothing like what Tony plays here

no matter how many times I hear this tune over the years ....it blows my mind every time

this to me is the absolute epitome of drumming and needs to be celebrated because Tony changed everything and shaped drumming as we know it today

enjoy this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlvAlQV6CqA

Last edited by Anthony Amodeo; 12-27-2012 at 01:26 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #334  
Old 12-27-2012, 12:55 AM
8Mile's Avatar
8Mile 8Mile is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 2,451
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Oh hell yeah. I just revisisted this because you guys mentioned it a couple weeks ago.

I agree. Tony was just at a different level. I seriously prefer his playing circa 1963-1965 over anything he did later.

I know he's probably even more famous for the stuff he did years later, like the "blushda" licks, the quarter note on the hats and all the fusion stuff. That's what people seem to remember most, that's what the Lifetime tribute band with Cindy Blackman celebrates.

But, to me, this stuff was the pinnacle of Tony. And maybe jazz drumming in general.

He was so fresh at this point, played stuff so swinging, yet so advanced. His inventiveness seemed to have no limits. No repeating himself, no contrived "licks." His drum sound is so musical. His cymbal sound is the standard for the instrument in this music, for so many.
Reply With Quote
  #335  
Old 12-27-2012, 10:20 AM
kafkapenguin's Avatar
kafkapenguin kafkapenguin is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Aspen Colorado
Posts: 120
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by 8Mile View Post
Oh hell yeah. I just revisisted this because you guys mentioned it a couple weeks ago.

I agree. Tony was just at a different level. I seriously prefer his playing circa 1963-1965 over anything he did later.

I know he's probably even more famous for the stuff he did years later, like the "blushda" licks, the quarter note on the hats and all the fusion stuff. That's what people seem to remember most, that's what the Lifetime tribute band with Cindy Blackman celebrates.

But, to me, this stuff was the pinnacle of Tony. And maybe jazz drumming in general.

He was so fresh at this point, played stuff so swinging, yet so advanced. His inventiveness seemed to have no limits. No repeating himself, no contrived "licks." His drum sound is so musical. His cymbal sound is the standard for the instrument in this music, for so many.
In total agreement. The early 60's stuff just total blew my mind, and I wasn't a drummer when I first heard this stuff but Tony's playing totally caught my attention... and the cymbal work!...Whoa! Pure magic!
Reply With Quote
  #336  
Old 12-27-2012, 07:17 PM
Anthony Amodeo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

every drummer can learn so much from that one recording

here is the track that follows that one......more superb drumming of course

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQP9nAx8vAA

Tony was modulating when modulating wasn't cool yet

:)
Reply With Quote
  #337  
Old 12-27-2012, 11:01 PM
JerryOnDrums JerryOnDrums is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 89
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by 8Mile View Post
Oh hell yeah. I just revisisted this because you guys mentioned it a couple weeks ago.

I agree. Tony was just at a different level. I seriously prefer his playing circa 1963-1965 over anything he did later.

I know he's probably even more famous for the stuff he did years later, like the "blushda" licks, the quarter note on the hats and all the fusion stuff. That's what people seem to remember most, that's what the Lifetime tribute band with Cindy Blackman celebrates.

But, to me, this stuff was the pinnacle of Tony. And maybe jazz drumming in general.

He was so fresh at this point, played stuff so swinging, yet so advanced. His inventiveness seemed to have no limits. No repeating himself, no contrived "licks." His drum sound is so musical. His cymbal sound is the standard for the instrument in this music, for so many.
Couldn't possibly agree more. A defining moment of my musical upbringing was when, at 10 years old, my dad sat me down and made me listen to Nefertiti. Hearing Tony (specifically on Nefertiti and Pinocchio) forever changed the way I heard/played the drums.

Btw, I'm one semester away from graduating with my master's in jazz performance, so I'll throw my hat into the ring as a "jazz cat"!
__________________
www.facebook.com/thegorge
Reply With Quote
  #338  
Old 12-27-2012, 11:05 PM
JerryOnDrums JerryOnDrums is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 89
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Also, I throw out there what I'm listening to right now. Just picked up Kurt Rosenwinkel's new album, "Star of Jupiter". Wow! It is really, really good. Justin Faulkner is playing on the album, and it is totally killing. This guy has his stuff together. Very tasteful playing, almost ZERO over-playing (quite refreshing, kind of reminds me a bit of another favorite, Rodney Green). If you're looking for something new to check out, this is a solid add. Aaron Parks on piano and Eric Reevis on bass round out an exceptional quartet.
__________________
www.facebook.com/thegorge
Reply With Quote
  #339  
Old 12-28-2012, 12:14 AM
Swiss Matthias's Avatar
Swiss Matthias Swiss Matthias is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,583
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gvdadrummasum View Post
take 9:49 and treat yourself to some of the .....if not THE best drumming you will ever hear in your life.......and I'm dead serious
Good stuff Gvda, good stuff!
Reply With Quote
  #340  
Old 12-28-2012, 01:14 AM
Anthony Amodeo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerryOnDrums View Post
I'll throw my hat into the ring as a "jazz cat"!
absolutely brother

the more cats the better

looking forward to sharing and learning from each other

this thread gets poppin now and then....stick around
Reply With Quote
  #341  
Old 12-29-2012, 04:14 AM
leoyucht's Avatar
leoyucht leoyucht is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Southern Vermont
Posts: 65
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Freedom Band full concert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UX1HB-LdVs

It's safe to say Roy Haynes has literally changed my entire outlook on music. He is a beast OH MY GOD.
__________________
Play like no one is listening.
Reply With Quote
  #342  
Old 12-29-2012, 04:52 PM
aaajn's Avatar
aaajn aaajn is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 645
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Speaking to the Jazz Cats from the Department of My Wife Really Loves Me.... For Christmas, she got us tickets to see the Charleston Jazz Orchestra do a night of Coltrane.

She must really love me because she knows I am a Jazz Cat, not a player yet but a lover of. To her, Parker, Coltrane and especially Miles sounds like alcoholics tuning up. She once commented that Dave Brubeck sounded like a lounge piano player and she could envision a piano and a brandy snifter full of 1 dollar bills. She really does not get, like, understand, enjoy Jazz. But to each their own. So to buy a pair of tickets to a night of Coltrane would be like my buying her tickets to a taping of Say Yes to the Dress.
__________________
"I said, "I'm crazy ma, help me." She said, "I know how it feels son, 'Cause it runs in the family."
Reply With Quote
  #343  
Old 12-29-2012, 08:48 PM
con struct's Avatar
con struct con struct is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Lumpen post-industrial district
Posts: 2,067
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaajn View Post
Speaking to the Jazz Cats from the Department of My Wife Really Loves Me.... For Christmas, she got us tickets to see the Charleston Jazz Orchestra do a night of Coltrane.

She must really love me because she knows I am a Jazz Cat, not a player yet but a lover of. To her, Parker, Coltrane and especially Miles sounds like alcoholics tuning up. She once commented that Dave Brubeck sounded like a lounge piano player and she could envision a piano and a brandy snifter full of 1 dollar bills. She really does not get, like, understand, enjoy Jazz. But to each their own. So to buy a pair of tickets to a night of Coltrane would be like my buying her tickets to a taping of Say Yes to the Dress.
I actually agree with her about Brubeck.:)
__________________
Call me J
Reply With Quote
  #344  
Old 01-03-2013, 09:31 PM
philosafari's Avatar
philosafari philosafari is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Roanoke/Blacksburg, VA
Posts: 46
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Has anyone of you cats given this album a listen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Skw5nRoDfs
It's Larry Young's album Into Somethin'- the one he did just before the famous Unity. Elvin Jones on drums, Sam Rivers(aka the saxophonist that discovered Tony Williams at age 13), and Grant Green on guitar. It hasn't been released on CD yet(Blue Note needs to open up their old catalogue)! Elvin's playing isn't as noteworthy as it is on Unity, but it's overall a great album and Grant Green's presence adds quite a bit- especially if you're into the interplay between a guitarist and organist.
Reply With Quote
  #345  
Old 01-03-2013, 10:28 PM
haredrums's Avatar
haredrums haredrums is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 474
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by philosafari View Post
Has anyone of you cats given this album a listen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Skw5nRoDfs
It's Larry Young's album Into Somethin'- the one he did just before the famous Unity. Elvin Jones on drums, Sam Rivers(aka the saxophonist that discovered Tony Williams at age 13), and Grant Green on guitar. It hasn't been released on CD yet(Blue Note needs to open up their old catalogue)! Elvin's playing isn't as noteworthy as it is on Unity, but it's overall a great album and Grant Green's presence adds quite a bit- especially if you're into the interplay between a guitarist and organist.
Great post, thanks for sharing!
__________________
Check out my drum blog: http://haredrums.blogspot.com
Reply With Quote
  #346  
Old 01-03-2013, 10:29 PM
Anthony Amodeo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by philosafari View Post
Has anyone of you cats given this album a listen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Skw5nRoDfs
It's Larry Young's album Into Somethin'- the one he did just before the famous Unity. Elvin Jones on drums, Sam Rivers(aka the saxophonist that discovered Tony Williams at age 13), and Grant Green on guitar. It hasn't been released on CD yet(Blue Note needs to open up their old catalogue)! Elvin's playing isn't as noteworthy as it is on Unity, but it's overall a great album and Grant Green's presence adds quite a bit- especially if you're into the interplay between a guitarist and organist.

had not heard this record

I have a feeling I'll be diving into this one

thank you
Reply With Quote
  #347  
Old 01-04-2013, 08:38 AM
Numberless's Avatar
Numberless Numberless is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 1,300
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Roy Hayne's grandson is ridiculous!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBYIf-ODPIQ
__________________
you inspire the ugliest things
drum vids-->http://www.youtube.com/user/Lastdragonrider88
Reply With Quote
  #348  
Old 01-04-2013, 04:54 PM
Anthony Amodeo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Numberless View Post
Roy Hayne's grandson is ridiculous!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBYIf-ODPIQ
wow

thank you for sharing

I had not heard him play since he was very young and he was playing more rock and hip hop

he sounds amazing
Reply With Quote
  #349  
Old 01-04-2013, 05:03 PM
Flight Drummers's Avatar
Flight Drummers Flight Drummers is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Wooster, OH
Posts: 39
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Any Gary Novak fans out there???

I also love listening to Peter Erskine!!! Ahhh his phrasing is ridiculous!
__________________
FREE 5-Day Rudiment Bootcamp!
Click Here.
Reply With Quote
  #350  
Old 01-04-2013, 06:07 PM
JerryOnDrums JerryOnDrums is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 89
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flight Drummers View Post
Any Gary Novak fans out there???

I also love listening to Peter Erskine!!! Ahhh his phrasing is ridiculous!
Chick Corea's Elektric Band II: Paint The World literally changed the way I perceived drumming...Gary is a monster!
__________________
www.facebook.com/thegorge
Reply With Quote
  #351  
Old 01-04-2013, 10:09 PM
groove1's Avatar
groove1 groove1 is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Midwest US
Posts: 735
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

8Mile I couldn't agree more about Tony...just loved the early 60's playing the most.
philosafari Thanks for the info on Larry Young. I have had Unity for a long time and love
his playing with Elvin et al. Always great to hear more Larry and group.
Reply With Quote
  #352  
Old 01-04-2013, 10:27 PM
ggmerino ggmerino is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 188
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gvdadrummasum View Post
wow

thank you for sharing

I had not heard him play since he was very young and he was playing more rock and hip hop

he sounds amazing
Thanks for posting- that is some good stuff!! Very enjoyable and willcertainly keep an eye out for them if they pass through New York City.
Reply With Quote
  #353  
Old 01-05-2013, 12:50 AM
Anthony Amodeo
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

I'd like to pass this along for your listening pleasure

fantastic record ....fantastic band

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Aa9T-rpbg
Reply With Quote
  #354  
Old 01-05-2013, 01:03 AM
con struct's Avatar
con struct con struct is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Lumpen post-industrial district
Posts: 2,067
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Here's the Vector Trio doing what they do. The trumpet player is a buddy of mine. I have four of their CDs. Is it jazz? I think so.

Dig what Marshal's doing on the drums. These guys are super creative.
__________________
Call me J
Reply With Quote
  #355  
Old 01-05-2013, 06:43 AM
philosafari's Avatar
philosafari philosafari is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Roanoke/Blacksburg, VA
Posts: 46
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Here's the title track from a record with Tony and Herbie that I never hear talked about. Kenny Dorham's Una Mas(recorded a month before Tony's first Miles recording). It's also the first recording of Joe Henderson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDETNk20Vkc
Reply With Quote
  #356  
Old 01-05-2013, 10:58 AM
kafkapenguin's Avatar
kafkapenguin kafkapenguin is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Aspen Colorado
Posts: 120
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Just found this and had to share... totally awesome performance and Antonio Sanchez smokes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5SSKsklthg
Reply With Quote
  #357  
Old 01-05-2013, 11:02 PM
leoyucht's Avatar
leoyucht leoyucht is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Southern Vermont
Posts: 65
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bJu2owDM2E

How cool is Ray Brown??
__________________
Play like no one is listening.
Reply With Quote
  #358  
Old 01-06-2013, 01:12 AM
Numberless's Avatar
Numberless Numberless is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 1,300
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...



Here's a 16th note lick Art Taylor plays during his solo intro in Countdown (from Coltrane's Giant Steps). Sounds cool at high tempos.
__________________
you inspire the ugliest things
drum vids-->http://www.youtube.com/user/Lastdragonrider88
Reply With Quote
  #359  
Old 01-06-2013, 03:35 AM
8Mile's Avatar
8Mile 8Mile is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 2,451
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

Some great stuff posted here over the past few days. That clip of Roy's grandson is amazing.

Speaking of Roy, I've come to the conclusion that this is a desert island disc. Just amazing music and Roy's playing is inspirational.

Reply With Quote
  #360  
Old 01-06-2013, 03:41 AM
Numberless's Avatar
Numberless Numberless is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 1,300
Default Re: ...for the jazz cats ...

I agree 8mile. I adore Roy's waltz version of Fly Me To The Moon in that disc, so good!
__________________
you inspire the ugliest things
drum vids-->http://www.youtube.com/user/Lastdragonrider88
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are Off
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off




All times are GMT +2. The time now is 08:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Bernhard Castiglioni's DRUMMERWORLD.com