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Old 11-21-2012, 04:58 AM
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Default Remo Ambassador coating wearing off...

i know some of you guys have been tracking this odd issue for sometime, got an up close look at it the last 2 weeks & wanted to chime in.



the picture kinda says it all. i have been doing some drum video the last 2 weeks & breaking in new remo ambassador coated heads for a studio gig as well. in the pic, the head on the RIGHT is a coated ambassador from 4/20/12 i took off, a bit beat up but fine...the dark smudge in the center is actually silver sharpie where i write my open tone note from my tune-bot (lug sharpie is muted note). so this 4/12 head really just had a bit of coating worn off a center spot from 7 months of playing. not bad at all.

the head on the LEFT is essentially a NEW head dated 11/2/12 from when i mounted them. i was amazed at how much coating came off with in 2-4 days. today, it is about a 2-2.5" blast zone worn off to the opaque mylar that remo uses for these heads. my guess is they changed the coating or it is outsourced to china or someplace else overseas ?

a couple of things:

(1) the coated ambassador sound is still insanely good despite the coating oddities. normally i would not be this confident saying this, but i have been playing kits w/ Evans & Aquarian set ups recently & i am still super impressed w/ how great the new remos sound & help the drums sing.

(2) i am not a basher...jazz, big band, funk, etc. i rarely dent heads & still have 2010 Diplomats on my Jazz kit that are still great w/ no dents. so i have not been laying into these heads w/ basebats or something.

(3) i did mount the heads, then tune them pretty high, let them sit 24 hours & the play them all untuned & high for a day. i do this everytime to help the heads stretch. don't think this affect thing but FYI.

soooo, are you guys are seeing the same thing...any theories ? and is Remo working on this problem ? sonically, here is no problem, but man, visually it is disturbing how fast the coating wears off. i didnt' do a snare head but if i did, i would start to get a bit pissed knowing the brush sound will start to suffer within a few months.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:37 PM
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Yep, the pics don't lie.
I've posted in all the other threads like this, and I never have this issue.

In comparing set-ups/styles:
I have my tom relatively flat, tilted to work with my hand. My ft's are flat. I play "off" the heads.
I use custom double butt sticks.
Dynamically, playing "pp" is not "Orchestral PP" with double butt sticks, but it's quieter, with a full sound. I play Rock music, so it's not going to be real quiet anyway....
The point is the coating doesn't come off for me (which I'm thankful for).

My snare is tiled slightly away from me, and my snare heads easily last a year before I don't like the sound.
I use a Top Dot Coated Emperor, which is the Clear film and Clear Dot that's coated. That coating doesn't come off either.
In 10 years of using this model head, I've only had one small spot chip off of one head, and the rest stayed perfect.

Even playing loudly, I don't dent the Ambassador heads, and the coating doesn't come off.
New Ambassador heads have been gotten and used in the last month, as well as within the last 6 months (4 kits).
I'm stumped as to why some people have chipping, and some don't.

I think that even if I did have this happen, I'd still use these heads because they just sound so dang good.

I DO think the coating is a little smoother than it was in the past. It still sounds "the same" to me though. Crisp, articulate and full, with GREAT tuning range.

They last a long time for me too.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:49 PM
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Default Re: Remo Ambassador coating wearing off...

great feedback, thanks for the input.

you did jog something in my memory -- it seems different from new head to new head. i have a new-ish 13" coated on a snare & it is perfect RE the coating. it's almost as if the chipping head (in the pic this was about 3 days old) was covered w/ very DRY coating vs. normal slightly more flexible / rubbery coating. or maybe they didnt mix enough glue in the coating.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:40 PM
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Not sure if this is important but I've been playing with my Remo Vintage A for over two years on my main snare and no coating has worn. Only a few dark spots in the center.

I have a slightly used Coated Ambassador (modern) that I bought for $3 from a shop and it looks a bit like yours on the left. Not quite as bad (or I wouldn't have bought it) but you can see just very slightly that the coating is getting thin. I haven't used it but I would judge from the marks that it has only been used for one gig. I will try it on my snare soon to see what it does. I will still be a Vintage A user on this snare until something changes.
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Old 11-30-2012, 04:05 AM
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I bought a used kit a couple of weeks ago. I put Vintage Emperors on top and Coated Ambassadors on bottom. Last night I tuned it up for the first time. On the Ambassadors,there is coating visibly missing near the lugs... JUST FROM CHECKING THE PITCH WHILE TUNING!!!
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Old 11-30-2012, 04:17 AM
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Remo's coating does seem to wear faster than Evans and Aquarian.
Remo's coating is also the warmest sounding in my opinion because it is softer than the others.
I have good luck with coated Ambassador heads on my snare and toms. They do wear but they last a long time for me.
I love them on my Jazz kits because they are so warm sounding and sensitive to the lightest touch.
I use coated heads by Evans and Aquarian on my Rock, Country, and Pop kits because they are brighter sounding at looser tensioning.

This is just my observation, Your results may vary from mine.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:22 AM
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Remo's coating does seem to wear faster than Evans and Aquarian.
Remo's coating is also the warmest sounding in my opinion because it is softer than the others.
I have good luck with coated Ambassador heads on my snare and toms. They do wear but they last a long time for me.
I love them on my Jazz kits because they are so warm sounding and sensitive to the lightest touch.
I use coated heads by Evans and Aquarian on my Rock, Country, and Pop kits because they are brighter sounding at looser tensioning.

This is just my observation, Your results may vary from mine.
Thanks for that information, Bob. I've read several reviews on Musician's Friend complaining about the coating coming off faster on the new Ambassadors than it did in the old days, so I've still been thinking about going with the Aquarian Studio-X's you used to use on your Pearl Rhthm Travelers. However, I've also been considering going with their Modern Vintage series, which replicates the warmer sound of calf skin. Based on your saying Remo is warmer than Aquarian in general, I'll definitely be going with the Modern Vintages, as Aquarian consistantly gets good reviews on their coating lasting a long time.

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Old 11-30-2012, 01:10 PM
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I have never tried the modern vintage heads.
I have seriously considered trying them.
I just havent gotten around to buying them yet,
I spent a lot on drums and other musical gear this year so I am trying not to spend cash on drums for a while. :)
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:34 PM
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I've had Ambassadors on my toms for 7 months and the coating is surprisingly worn away. Worse, is that the heads have gone dead already so I went back to 2-ply, though this time I bought G2s because of their coating durability.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:51 PM
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I've been flipping around heads, trying other ones too, cheaper ones (Evans and Aquarian are cheaper where i live) fro months, BUT nothing still sounds the same to my ear as a coated Remo Amb or Emp. Much better tone. It is noticeable, but maybe not to an audience or other band member.
I guess if you don't like the coating problem one can always switch to clear but for a slightly different sound.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:55 PM
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I was using a coated emperor on my snare and it chipped and flaked right away. I switched recently to a vintage emperor and even after a few gigs it hasnt worn through the coating yet. I think its applied differently on the vintage heads.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:34 PM
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I bought a used kit a couple of weeks ago. I put Vintage Emperors on top and Coated Ambassadors on bottom. Last night I tuned it up for the first time. On the Ambassadors,there is coating visibly missing near the lugs... JUST FROM CHECKING THE PITCH WHILE TUNING!!!
It sucks, doesn't it? I've experienced the same stuff. I have two snares, both with fairly new coated emperors. One is much more worn than the other. Go figure.

Sometimes that mylar film (or whatever it is) looks shiny like foil or something and sometimes it's white. What's that all about?
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Old 12-01-2012, 06:50 AM
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i just bought coated 12" and 16" emporers and a coated 14" vintage A for my snare.... put them on before lessons and within 5 minutes of playing there was wear in the coating and small chips... now im a bit of a heavy hitter hence the emporers however i really think that coating should not COMPLETELY come off to expose clear film within 5minutes!
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:21 PM
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It sucks, doesn't it? I've experienced the same stuff. I have two snares, both with fairly new coated emperors. One is much more worn than the other. Go figure.

Sometimes that mylar film (or whatever it is) looks shiny like foil or something and sometimes it's white. What's that all about?

My tom batters are Vintage Emperors and I never have that issue with them.. A couple of my snares have Emperor Xs on them.One is holding up fine and the other started losing coating immediately.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:20 PM
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It has always disappointed me that Remo does not want to comment on this.

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Old 12-04-2012, 05:35 AM
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It has always disappointed me that Remo does not want to comment on this.

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This is my thinking also. I know that they know more about these problems than we do, so why not get them out into the open. I have much respect for companies that respect the views and values of the end user.

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Old 12-04-2012, 10:31 AM
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This is my thinking also. I know that they know more about these problems than we do, so why not get them out into the open. I have much respect for companies that respect the views and values of the end user.

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Possibly (and hopefully) they're trying to fix it before too many people comment on it. But in that case I suppose they should still tell us that they're being proactive eh?
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:10 PM
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It's obvious there is a difference in the coating. The color is different. The new(er) Ambassador (and the one I bought recently but haven't used) has a dull paste white coating while the older head has more of a cream white color, the color I'm used to when I use Ambs.

Too bad...
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Possibly (and hopefully) they're trying to fix it before too many people comment on it. But in that case I suppose they should still tell us that they're being proactive eh?
The issue is that every few years, Remo seem to tweak the formula and this always happens. Every couple of years, a new set of threads arrive complaining about the coating wearing quickly. I do wish Remo would acknowledge the issue. Evanspecialist on here has really done well with questions like this from an Evans point of view and it's great to see a real representative from the company rather than something faceless.

I say this but all my heads are Remo. I've played Evans as well (never been able to get Aquarian here easily) and I just prefer the sound and feel of the Remo heads. I can't quite explain it but it's the way it is. The 'Vintage A' heads are my go-to on snares (hopefully I'll be able to get them again) and I can't think of anything that would substitute it. I've never had a problem with coatings myself but I don't doubt for a second that it happens.
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Thanks for that information, Bob. I've read several reviews on Musician's Friend complaining about the coating coming off faster on the new Ambassadors than it did in the old days, so I've still been thinking about going with the Aquarian Studio-X's you used to use on your Pearl Rhthm Travelers. However, I've also been considering going with their Modern Vintage series, which replicates the warmer sound of calf skin. Based on your saying Remo is warmer than Aquarian in general, I'll definitely be going with the Modern Vintages, as Aquarian consistantly gets good reviews on their coating lasting a long time.

Thanks again
Aquarian makes a pretty dark/warm sounding head. I haven't tried the MV's but I assume you may get more warmth than what you're looking for!
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Very dissatisfied customer here as well concerning the coated ambassador. Nothing is more disappointing than installing a fresh head only to see it look like the old one just removed, after only 1 practice. Still sounds great, but looks like its been on a well used house kit for years.

The coating even came off of mine at about the 8 o'clock position from playing crosstick on the snare, where the butt end of the stick contacts the head.

I tried to give Remo another chance, however this last head wore the same as the 2 previous ones. I love the sound of the Ambassador on my Supraphonic, but its gonna be Evans from now on.

Why can't Remo own up to this?
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Old 12-06-2012, 04:18 PM
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I am going to call them this morning to see if I can get some answers. The ones that come with my Mapex kits, that are made in China last forever.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:57 PM
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I am going to call them this morning to see if I can get some answers. The ones that come with my Mapex kits, that are made in China last forever.
Please report back if you can. I'd love to hear the answer.

I made a switch to coated Evans G1 heads on my snare and toms and their coating is ridiculously durable. You really couldn't even tell I used them after a few weeks (unless you ran your hand over and felt them smooth where I strike.)

But... The tone wasn't there at all for me. I went back to Remo Emperors and even though they look well work after one session, the sound is there.

Urgh... It's aggravating.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:34 PM
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Being a REMO guy all my life, it has concerned me that many of you have been having problems with your coated heads from REMO! I have purchased many products recently that have come equipped with their heads. Most of them have been heads made by REMO in china, and I was not experiencing the same issues with mine. I decided to call today, and ask about it, and this is what I was told by first customer service, and then by the REMO head manager.

About 3 months ago they had a problem with their coating process for their heads. They wouldn't get into it with me exactly what it was, but they admitted that the stuff was flaking off prematurely. After many complaints they finally rectified the situation. One thing they said, that many of you have also commented on was that the sound was still there, even after the coating had started to come off. Their pro's were telling them the same thing, so it was more just a visual concern then a audible concern!

They gave many pros the new heads to test, and they are back to being more durable. The sound has not changed. The first lady asked me on the phone, if I had any worn heads that I needed to replace, and if I did, they would be more than happy to replace them free of charge with a picture of the damage. I told her no, explained my position, and told her that I would be reporting back to one of the largest drum sites in the world.

Anyone that is still having issues, is probably getting older stock. If you do have an issue with your coating, send in a pic, and they will not hesitate to replace it. The sooner the better I would guess.

Hope this helps! Glen.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:24 PM
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My heads are black all over, I don't care, its the sound i'm looking for, i put G1's all around, they sounded good after a few months, I put my old black Ambs back on, they sounded just as good if not better, I guess its up to either looking good, or sounding good, talking to Bill Stewart, his heads are pretty black, except for the snare which he need's for brush work, he told me sometimes the tom heads stay on 10 yrs, and they still sound good to him, I guess it up to the person, just my 2 cents.
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I do love Remo heads and continue to use their heads on my toms. I use coated ambassadors, ambassador X or clear emperors and currently clear ambassadors (denting to easy with my round tip sticks?) However I just started using the Evans coated reverse dot on my Oak Custom snare and it's coating is pretty durable. It sounds great too. My other snares are still using Remo and I may switch them out as well?
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I've had the same issue going on with my Vintage Emperors, too.

Oddly enough though, it seems to happen alot quicker on the snare. This was taken maybe about a week after putting the fresh heads on, whereas the ones on my toms were only getting that brown stick discoloration. Yes, I know the snare gets a lot more attention but it still doesn't explain the difference.

p.s. Not like I'm a heavy hitter or anything though...
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This is a catastrophy!!
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Being a REMO guy all my life, it has concerned me that many of you have been having problems with your coated heads from REMO! I have purchased many products recently that have come equipped with their heads. Most of them have been heads made by REMO in china, and I was not experiencing the same issues with mine. I decided to call today, and ask about it, and this is what I was told by first customer service, and then by the REMO head manager.

About 3 months ago they had a problem with their coating process for their heads. They wouldn't get into it with me exactly what it was, but they admitted that the stuff was flaking off prematurely. After many complaints they finally rectified the situation. One thing they said, that many of you have also commented on was that the sound was still there, even after the coating had started to come off. Their pro's were telling them the same thing, so it was more just a visual concern then a audible concern!

They gave many pros the new heads to test, and they are back to being more durable. The sound has not changed. The first lady asked me on the phone, if I had any worn heads that I needed to replace, and if I did, they would be more than happy to replace them free of charge with a picture of the damage. I told her no, explained my position, and told her that I would be reporting back to one of the largest drum sites in the world.

Anyone that is still having issues, is probably getting older stock. If you do have an issue with your coating, send in a pic, and they will not hesitate to replace it. The sooner the better I would guess.

Hope this helps! Glen.
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I had the same problem with coated emperors. The coating didn't last an hour in the center, plus there were spots by the lugs from tuning.
I called customer service, sent back the head, and they sent me a new one.
Same thing happened. So i just cut my losses.

Now i'm pretty much done with Remo. Because of the flaking, plus the fact that i don't like how Remo heads in general seat on the drums, I've switched to Evans.
It's no longer a struggle for the heads to sit evenly on the drum, unlike Remo. And the coating lasts way longer. Plus I actually like the sound of the Evans better.

Also, if the Remo heads sound good with the coating worn off, whats the point of having a coated head then?
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They need to have a better quality control method where as they have control numbers or date manu. numbers and recall the bad ones rather than pass them on to the customers knowingly.
Agreed. Why keep the stragglers out there? You'll lose fans because not everyone knows this. Case in point? This thread.
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I'm not a big Remo "hater", but I mentioned before that I've experienced the coating issues. Several times, actually.

I just took this coated Emperor off my snare tonight. This is after a couple/few months of practice at home and some recording, but no gigs on this particular head and not tons of rehearsals. I do practice alot, though, so it's probably the same as a few gigs.

I circled the worn area, just in case you can't see it. :)
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Nice pic :)

I just got a new coated ambassador for my snare and the coating started to flake off in the center during the first tuning.

I was working in a furniture factory a few years ago and we had similar problems when we switched from one paint supplier to another one. The paint coming from the new company was supposed to be similar but there were some issues with the white paint we used not being consistant in quality.

I wasn't working in the painting department so I don't remember the specifics but I think solving it was a case of having to play around with the ratios used in mixing the paint, thinner and catalyst together.

Might have been a case of a new paint / a new work method / a new machine handling the paint that was causing the trouble at the Remo factory also
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I would like to point out that I've gotten several Remo coated heads since my last post and for whatever reason, the coating is lasting. I'm starting to agree with people that maybe they had a few bad batches? Not sure, but I had problem after problem there for a while. Now it's lasting.

Really weird, but I'm glad.
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I would like to point out that I've gotten several Remo coated heads since my last post and for whatever reason, the coating is lasting. I'm starting to agree with people that maybe they had a few bad batches? Not sure, but I had problem after problem there for a while. Now it's lasting.

Really weird, but I'm glad.
That's good to hear. I had Ambassadors on my toms for not quite a year, and a new round on my snares, but the coating was wearing off very quickly. Because of that, I thought it was time to try coated G1s this last round. I have to say that I don't like them as much as Ambassadors, so after hearing this, next round I may give the Remos another shot.
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That's good to hear. I had Ambassadors on my toms for not quite a year, and a new round on my snares, but the coating was wearing off very quickly. Because of that, I thought it was time to try coated G1s this last round. I have to say that I don't like them as much as Ambassadors, so after hearing this, next round I may give the Remos another shot.
I got fed up with the Remo coating too, so I tried coated Evans G1s on my toms and snare. I didn't like the sound, but the heads still looked brand new weeks later! I was amazed by that and wish like hell I liked the tone! But... I didn't.
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My situation is exactly the opposite- I got 12", 14", and 16" coated Ambassadors for tom reso heads last year. Obviously I haven't hit them a lot but they haven't come off. However I had to get a Evans G1 for my 10" reso and the coating wore off when I tapped it with a drum key. Even now the center and lug spots have little chips taken off of them. I think it sounds much worse as well.

I've had a Coated Ambassador and a Coated Vintage A as interchangeable snare heads for about 2-3 months now and neither show any sign of flaking.
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