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Old 01-20-2012, 06:31 AM
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I'm thinking of trying Evans clear G14 (when available) over G plus on my toms. Does that sound like a good idea on paper for full volume and good bottom end? Maybe G1 resos on the rack toms and G plus resos on the FTs instead.
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Old 01-20-2012, 06:41 AM
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I've never heard of G14 but I'm guessing they're 14mil thick?

I've tried the EC1, which was also 14mil, and I didn't like the sound or the stick response on smaller toms. Very clunky and not a lot of tone.

I've used G-Plus top and bottom before, and I liked that combo a lot, but the smallest tom on that particular kit was 12"...

If you're looking for more bottom end I'd suggest either G2 or G-Plus over EC Reso. The EC Reso is a great bottom head and useful for getting a lower pitch out of your toms.
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Old 01-20-2012, 07:11 AM
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Good food for thought. Thanks WW.
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Thanks for the link!

Looks like I guessed correctly; 14mil single ply head. I'm really pleased Evans is offering these in white coated versions and leaving the frost coating behind.
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The G14 has a slightly darker tone than the G Plus, and has greater durability. While remaining a single-ply drumhead, it has projects quite well and has a wide dynamic range. We hope to have these available in stores within the next 1-2 months.

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Old 01-24-2012, 01:47 AM
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The G14 has a slightly darker tone than the G Plus, and has greater durability. While remaining a single-ply drumhead, it has projects quite well and has a wide dynamic range. We hope to have these available in stores within the next 1-2 months.

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The G14 has a slightly darker tone than the G Plus, and has greater durability. While remaining a single-ply drumhead, it has projects quite well and has a wide dynamic range. We hope to have these available in stores within the next 1-2 months.

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Wasn't the EC1 a 14mil single ply head? If so, other than the lack of a edge control ring, is this virtually the same?
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Wasn't the EC1 a 14mil single ply head? If so, other than the lack of a edge control ring, is this virtually the same?
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Yes, the EC1 was a 14mil single-ply. The construction of the G14 is different though and allows for more resonance and projection. Removing the edge control further enhances this.
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I was ready to buy new G2 clear for the first time but will wait for the new G14. I will need 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 so I can report on these for the forum. Saving my dollars 'til then.
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I'm definitely waiting on the clear G14's to hit the streets for my 16" floor tom(reso too!). I'm thinking go going G1's on the 10", G plus(to now be called the "G12", right?) on the 12", and maybe the G14 on the 14 & 16 floor toms (all paired w/ their match on the reso. 2007 Starclassic Bubinga).

Please let us know when the G14's are shipping! Thanks.

P.S. Dear Evan's Specialist -- stop the semi monkey business w/ the 7 mil (7.5 mil?) reso bass heads. Give us at least 10 mil thick resos (they sound deeper) w/ built in mufflers. Right now and for some time, I found nothing I like in the evans' line for reso kick heads. Either ported (yuck) or flimsy 7 mil(high frequency(thumbs down)). Hence I am using EQ4 on batter and reso (that matching theme again). Some nice boom, but serious bottom (you don't need Gatzen's, I'm a fan, constant advice of having something thrown in the shell at least.). No "boing" aspect at all on the bubinga kick. None. But, it doesn't look especially good. My wish -- a nice warm cream color coated Evans head, w/ internal muffler ring or even better a 12 mil version... or dare I say a 14 mil version... which of course begs when is the G14MAD rolling out.... after all the industry is figuring out that two plies don't really cut it. One ply thick (12mil,14mil) are win wins - durability and deeper tones w/out(!) sacrificing volume (every young zit faced drummer will line up for that). Please put this is the "strong suggestion" box for thicker kick reso heads, like yesterday! ;)

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I'm definitely waiting on the clear G14's to hit the streets for my 16" floor tom(reso too!). I'm thinking go going G1's on the 10", G plus(to now be called the "G12", right?) on the 12", and maybe the G14 on the 14 & 16 floor toms (all paired w/ their match on the reso. 2007 Starclassic Bubinga).

Please let us know when the G14's are shipping! Thanks.

P.S. Dear Evan's Specialist -- stop the semi monkey business w/ the 7 mil (7.5 mil?) reso bass heads. Give us at least 10 mil thick resos (they sound deeper) w/ built in mufflers. Right now and for some time, I found nothing I like in the evans' line for reso kick heads. Either ported (yuck) or flimsy 7 mil(high frequency(thumbs down)). Hence I am using EQ4 on batter and reso (that matching theme again). Some nice boom, but serious bottom (you don't need Gatzen's, I'm a fan, constant advice of having something thrown in the shell at least.). No "boing" aspect at all on the bubinga kick. None. But, it doesn't look especially good. My wish -- a nice warm cream color coated Evans head, w/ internal muffler ring or even better a 12 mil version... or dare I say a 14 mil version... which of course begs when is the G14MAD rolling out.... after all the industry is figuring out that two plies don't really cut it. One ply thick (12mil,14mil) are win wins - durability and deeper tones w/out(!) sacrificing volume (every young zit faced drummer will line up for that). Please put this is the "strong suggestion" box for thicker kick reso heads, like yesterday! ;)
Thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely take this to note. I'm going to be experimenting with some bass drum designs in the near future too. Cheers!
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Old 02-13-2012, 10:55 PM
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Thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely take this to note. I'm going to be experimenting with some bass drum designs in the near future too. Cheers!
Yep, you know where this trend ("win/win") is now going... might as well fast track it.... and beat your competition to it.
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The G14's are now on the Evans website.
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Old 02-28-2012, 04:44 AM
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The G14's are now on the Evans website.
Yeah! Thanks for the headsup...
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One guys opinion, I had an EC1 and I removed the tone control stickies with a blow dryer leaving me with a clear 14 mil single ply head. The thicker head changes the attack qualities and the overall tone. Whether or not you prefer it is individual, I did not. I didn't prefer the G-12's either. The frequencies that a 10 mil head renders sounds just right to my ear. I wish they made a 9.5 mil head for more attack. 7.5 mil dents too easily and doesn't have the sustain I like.
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The G14's are now on the Evans website.
yeah but no sound samples :-(

I'm sure they're working on it though!
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yeah but no sound samples :-(

I'm sure they're working on it though!
Saw that too. And it's nice to know their sound samples are very accurate in what I hear. Everything "sounds" darn close to what I hear (though I am not sure about where they have everything lined up on the spectrum). Larry, that's why I am attracted to the Gplus and more. I really like what I am hearing compared to the G1's I use (clear heads), less boingy, deeper tone, and certainly as much sustain or more if you believe physics.
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I was surprised that the price to buy from the Evans Store wasn't out of line. Not bad actually

I wrote to Evans and asked them to stop "teasing" with all of the info and no product yet and got this response


Hello Johnny

Thank you for your interest in Evans Drumheads.

We're not "Teasing"! We need lead time to make them in suitable quantities of each size, for a new product.

They'll be available very soon.

Hope you like them!
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Well the tease is over. Both Cascio and Drumfactorydirect have the G14 in stock and I have my set ordered. They will ship Monday. 8, 10, 12, 14, and 16 on the way and I will do a recording when I get them mounted.
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I received my G14 heads yesterday, put them on the drums, and tuned them This weekend I will get them tweaked. First thing I noticed was how heavy they are. In a good way.You can thump them right out of the box and get somewhat of a tone.One thing I did notice is that they are a little cloudy, not super clear. Not sure if that is the new material or what but it is of no concern to me. My first impression audio wise was how hefty they seem to be. I felt like I could pound on the all day and do no damage. They have great sustain, no ring, and for a real heavy hitter they would probably make good snare heads.
I will put up a sound byte this weekend on my Gretsch Renowns so all can here the effect. My only issue is with the 8 inch tom, but that has always been a PITA for me to tune. Being a heavier product they dont seem to wrap on the bearing edge correctly but I think I will crank that drum and let it sit for a while.The 14 and 16 floor toms really rumble if I tuned them low and are very clear if I tune them higher

Anyone else with an 8 inch Renown tom that has no problems tuning it give me a shout.
I feel that Evans has scored well with these heavy heads. They may not be everyones cup of tea, but for the G2 user who wants a little more beef or a one ply head, try these out.
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Well done. Sounds like ideal floor tom heads (12"on down?).W/ the one piece thicker film it does get visually hazy (as the EC1's did, even though this is different film, according to Evans. After all G1's have a slight haze). Those G2's are crystal clear w/ the plies of 7mil. I would guess they can have very clear film at that thickness, but it's not sonically (maybe brittle ?) what they want/need for drumheads?

So, how about the volume bump that is prominent in the advertising of the G14?
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I don't know if they are louder by themselves, but when you play them louder they dont lose any quality of sound.
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I received my G14 heads yesterday, put them on the drums, and tuned them This weekend I will get them tweaked. First thing I noticed was how heavy they are. In a good way.You can thump them right out of the box and get somewhat of a tone.One thing I did notice is that they are a little cloudy, not super clear. Not sure if that is the new material or what but it is of no concern to me. My first impression audio wise was how hefty they seem to be. I felt like I could pound on the all day and do no damage. They have great sustain, no ring, and for a real heavy hitter they would probably make good snare heads.
I will put up a sound byte this weekend on my Gretsch Renowns so all can here the effect. My only issue is with the 8 inch tom, but that has always been a PITA for me to tune. Being a heavier product they dont seem to wrap on the bearing edge correctly but I think I will crank that drum and let it sit for a while.The 14 and 16 floor toms really rumble if I tuned them low and are very clear if I tune them higher

Anyone else with an 8 inch Renown tom that has no problems tuning it give me a shout.
I feel that Evans has scored well with these heavy heads. They may not be everyones cup of tea, but for the G2 user who wants a little more beef or a one ply head, try these out.
Very good info, & I'm super keen to hear your recording with these heads. Any chance of a comparison recording, sort of a side by side before & after kinda deal (obviously, recorded separately)? I'm grateful for anything you can put up :)

This, from Evans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwaYeEaHeGA Honestly, from a manufacturer, this is a pretty poor demo recording. I like the fact that it's recorded with a camera mic, but the placement & playing style do nothing to inform the listener. Wailing on a kit is no way to demonstrate sustain for example. At least get some slow single tom hits in there. Evans guys, if you're lurking, set up a couple of nice overheads in a good room. Run a flat recording = no processing, & set up a line of toms, snares, bass drums, whatever. Make sure they're multiples of the same drum, same tuning, each one fitted with a different Evans head combo. Go from one to the next with single strikes, then finish with a brief performance piece on each if you really must ;). Now that would be a useful marketing tool! Come on guys, you're a manufacturer of some size, get your act together.

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Sorry no comparison other than my 2 minute solo if you wish to suffer thru that again, but here is the sound byte of the new G14. I even remembered to turn off my snares
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Sorry no comparison other than my 2 minute solo if you wish to suffer thru that again, but here is the sound byte of the new G14. I even remembered to turn off my snares
Recorded on my Zoom HD4
Thanks for that. I didn't realise you used the G14's on your 2 minute solo. This sound clip is nice. Are you playing gently - medium? I'm getting nice head resonance but with a touch less slap than G2's, is that a fair comparison?

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I didn't mean to be confusing. The 2 minute solo was with G2 coated heads.
I am not a heavy hitter and was just playing. I would say medium. I can do a light and then heavy comparison if needed. I can just see these heads lasting forever because of the thickness. I have slammed them a few times and the sound was louder but not at all distorted.
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They sound great Gruntersdad would love to hear different dynamic levels and maybe a little fooling around like a rock beat into 16ths roll across the set. Also what are you using for reso heads?

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Reso's are G1 clears, Evans

A few with dynamics.
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Those sound great might have to go out and buy some. Thanks for the clip.
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Bass drum design as in: Let's see if we can't come up with the equivalency of the Fiberskyn?... ;o))))))))))
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Not quite, we're about innovation, not imitation. :-)
Of course not... Ambassador - G1, Emperor - G2, black dot, reverse dot... I do understand what you mean... But nevertheless, I do prefer Evans over Remo... I think the quality is better... but just keep it up there Mr. Evans... Just keep it up there...
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So what is the overall thoughts here on the G14 and G Plus?
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I've been using G14 clears on my touring Keystones (where I hit hard) and G Plus (12mil) clear on my local Keystones (where I play at a moderate level) and love both. They do need to played a little harder than say a G1 to get them to sing, but they really sound great for mid-high volume gigs. G1 clear resos on all.

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Thanks for the feedback. I heard that they sang a little more than G2's did. Do you use the same head all around or a thinner head for rack toms?
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My rack toms generally start at 12", and I use the same weight thru the 18". But I do have a 10" tom for my local Keystones, and would consider using a G1 (10mil) on that.

A G2 is not going to sing quite as well, since it's a 2-ply head and more suited to punch than a clear sustain. That's not to say they're muffled or don't have any decay, they just aren't designed to sing like a 1-ply head.

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Ah, it would appear that Evans have removed the video I highlighted earlier in this thread. Good move Evans!

As a side issue, but related, we're using mostly Evans heads in our honest capture drum recording sessions next week. D'Addario in the UK have been very good & delivered a big selection of heads for us to use. I have both G+ & G14 clear heads in the mix, & I'm pretty sure they"ll feature on at least one of the kit videos, & D'Addario have expressed an interest in using these videos on their sites.

I do like the idea of progressive head thickness from small to large drum sizes. Not something I've experimented with too much, so I'll be giving that a go. The only caution in my mind is that I've sometimes had better results with thicker heads on small toms (especially 8"). I'll report back here, but you'll see the results for yourselves in a couple of weeks time.
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My rack toms generally start at 12", and I use the same weight thru the 18". But I do have a 10" tom for my local Keystones, and would consider using a G1 (10mil) on that.

A G2 is not going to sing quite as well, since it's a 2-ply head and more suited to punch than a clear sustain. That's not to say they're muffled or don't have any decay, they just aren't designed to sing like a 1-ply head.

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I do EXACTLY the same! G1 on the 10", then G2 on 12", 14" and 16". Emad on bass, of course. G1 for bottom. Reverse dot or Genera dry for snares with 300.
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I put coated G Plus heads on the batter sides of the Mapex Saturn toms at church, 13" and 16". When I played them last night, the toms sounded great. This may become my go-to head. Peace and goodwill.
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