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Old 08-11-2009, 03:24 AM
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Im replacing the batter head(remo controlled sound) and stock resonant head on my ludwig supraphonic, any suggestions on combinations that would get the most out of the drum?

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Old 08-11-2009, 03:40 AM
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I've been playing my 1967 Supra for the past couple of weeks. It's hard to beat a coated Amabassador on the batter side and a Hazy Ambassador on the snare side. For a crisper, shorter sound, try a Hazy Diplomat on the snare side.

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Im replacing the batter head(remo controlled sound) and stock resonant head on my ludwig supraphonic, and suggestions on combinations that would get the most out of the drum?
It depends on what kind of music you play. No matter what, I would use a Hazy Ambassador on the bottom. If you play jazz, or lighter music, then go with what Steady Freddy said. If you play harder rock, or metal, then use a Coated Emperor or maybe even an Aquarian Hi Energy on the batter side. (I am currently using a coated Emperor on mine).
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Old 08-13-2009, 04:47 AM
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I've been playing my 1967 Supra for the past couple of weeks. It's hard to beat a coated Amabassador on the batter side and a Hazy Ambassador on the snare side. For a crisper, shorter sound, try a Hazy Diplomat on the snare side.

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I loooooove Ludwig WeatherMasters on each side of my '67 Supraphonic. Basically the same thing as Ambassadors, but less hit or miss. :-P

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Old 08-14-2009, 03:27 AM
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Hey Tom

I picked up a 72 Supraphonic about 6 months ago. I've tried a bunch of heads some evans, remo, and aquarian and the best head combination I've found is the Evans Reverse Dot for batter and a Hazy 300 on bottom. I use the drum for all genres and it works for everything so far. Nice and fat but when tuned a little lower but when you crank up tight and dry because of the reverse dot.

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Old 08-14-2009, 08:25 AM
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Hey Tom

I picked up a 72 Supraphonic about 6 months ago. I've tried a bunch of heads some evans, remo, and aquarian and the best head combination I've found is the Evans Reverse Dot for batter and a Hazy 300 on bottom. I use the drum for all genres and it works for everything so far. Nice and fat but when tuned a little lower but when you crank up tight and dry because of the reverse dot.

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I don't like dots on my heads - they change the sound way too much. But this does remind me when I was in Kerrville, Texas last spring and needed a new Ambassador for my 10" tom. The guy said he had one.....with a black dot on it. I passed. You gotta plan ahead!


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Yeah, I'd reckon that a dot would kill what makes a Supraphonic special.... I don't even have the internal muffler near the head on mine..... but to each their own. :-)

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Old 08-16-2009, 10:15 AM
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Yeah, I'd reckon that a dot would kill what makes a Supraphonic special.... I don't even have the internal muffler near the head on mine..... but to each their own. :-)

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I use ambassadors on mine top is coated. I love it
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Old 08-17-2009, 04:36 AM
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Im replacing the batter head(remo controlled sound) and stock resonant head on my ludwig supraphonic, any suggestions on combinations that would get the most out of the drum?
One would think that a CS would sound great on a metal drum and many drummers that I love the sound of their snare use a CS but I must say when ever I use it I hated it. I guess for me it was a little to dry and changed the feel. I do like to take out a little ring so I use either an Ambassador, G1 or Aquarian (I like em all but each is different), all coated with 1/3 of a moongel. I also like a Powerstroke with no dot.
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Old 08-17-2009, 04:55 AM
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I loooooove Ludwig WeatherMasters on each side of my '67 Supraphonic. Basically the same thing as Ambassadors, but less hit or miss. :-P

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Yea right? To me WeatherMasters are a big part of the Ludwig sound. I think the dyed in the wool Ludwig guys swear by them.
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Old 08-17-2009, 06:02 AM
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Fortunately, no rattle. :-)

This Supra is a '67 with a baseball bat muffler, not enough parts to make a racket. Though I've had other snares that have rattled plenty.

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Old 08-20-2009, 02:34 AM
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I play a 6.5x14 supra, been playing one for years. For rock and durability issues, I use a coated Evans G2 or Remo coated Emperor on top, always a Remo ambassador snare on the bottom. In the studio, a coated Ambassador on top as well. It always sounds great.
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:40 PM
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Not directly related but I've had a Remo CS Dot on both my '68 Acro and my Yamaha Paul Leim COB snares. I'll probably go back to an Aquarian or Remo coated (sans dot) on the Acro but there is something cool sounding about the CS Dot head.

I've tried more heads on the Leim model which is basically a Black Beauty knock off. I've used the Evans Reverse Dot and the Aquarian Reverse dot heads (as well as the Remo) and they all have a slightly different character to them with the Remo being the most different. My observation of the Remo's CS Dot is that it gives a great rock and pop sound. I especially like the sound when I do a rim shot off center. The dot has a light muffling effect but the area outside the dot retains the highs I like in the general timbre of the stroke. For me, it naturally produces a bit more 'honk' than if I had a straight coated head. I also like the center hit for a fatter pop sound. Tuned low to medium low it sounds great when going for that sound.Having the dampening material in the center of the drum as opposed to the edges just sounds different to my ears. I usually use Moon Gel but this combo sounds different to me.

Having said all this, I would only use Remo CS Dot on a metal drum (or at least a very ringy snare like fiberglass or acrylic ) and wouldn't try to use it for more gentle styles (jazz, acoustic, folk, etc.). I also think if you are looking for a lot of attack without a rim shot, a straight single ply coated head is the way to go.

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Old 08-27-2009, 01:06 AM
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Has anyone tried the new reissue "vintage emperors"?
Is there any reason to go with these over the normal emperors?
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Old 08-27-2009, 01:45 AM
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I have a Supra and I like a coated Ambassador top over a hazy Ambassador bottom.

I also like the sound of stiffer hoops (2.3 mm) over the stock 1.6s for the attack and increased range. I tried die cast hoops briefly, but they were just too much heft and the rim shots became too harsh for my ears.
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You can never go wrong with the Remo Vintage Emperor over Ambassador Snare Side. This combo was used by Bonham, since Emperors were made out of the opaque film and were 7.5+7.5mil instead of clear plies coated 7+7mil.
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Old 08-27-2009, 05:06 AM
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any favorite snare wires as well?
at this point im looking to upgrade just about everything but the shell on my supraphonic
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Old 08-27-2009, 06:58 PM
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I still have the 42 year old 18-strand Ludwig snares on my Supra... and even the P-83 strainer (wasn't much mileage on the drum when it came into my hands). I'm not very fun! :-)

What kind of sound are you looking to get out of yours?

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any favorite snare wires as well?
at this point im looking to upgrade just about everything but the shell on my supraphonic
Puresound snare wires for sure there different types for different styles,the #1 snare head of all time coated 14"ambassador and either a hazy amb. or dip. depending what sound you want.

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Old 08-27-2009, 07:41 PM
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im looking for that classic rock backbeat sound with a solid rimshot and something that picks ghost notes up well
im wondering has anyone here ever tried wood hoops on a supraphonic? i dont really know if that would create something fresh or mix badly with the drum
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:25 PM
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any favorite snare wires as well?
at this point im looking to upgrade just about everything but the shell on my supraphonic
I don't know much about wood hoops... I put S-Hoops on my Supra and that really gave the attack quite a boost but they didn't have that drying out effect that die cast tend to produce (I'm going to put them on my other snare, too).

I've also been using Puresound Blasters (20 strands) for a couple weeks now and I really like them. Huge improvement over the stock wires. Louder and more sensitive.

Between getting new heads and replacing the hoops and wires, this drum sounds far better than it did when everything was just stock. It still has that Ludwig sound but it's richer and more enhanced.

I put on a P-86 strainer just for kicks. Doesn't do anything for the sound, obviously, but cool nonetheless.
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:36 PM
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I don't know much about wood hoops... I put S-Hoops on my Supra and that really gave the attack quite a boost but they didn't have that drying out effect that die cast tend to produce (I'm going to put them on my other snare, too).

I've also been using Puresound Blasters (20 strands) for a couple weeks now and I really like them. Huge improvement over the stock wires. Louder and more sensitive.

Between getting new heads and replacing the hoops and wires, this drum sounds far better than it did when everything was just stock. It still has that Ludwig sound but it's richer and more enhanced.

I put on a P-86 strainer just for kicks. Doesn't do anything for the sound, obviously, but cool nonetheless.
Exactly, I did the same to my Ludwig "Epic" snare(heads & wires except mine a Vintage 16 strand) and really made the snare come to life, it sounded good before but incredible now.

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Old 08-27-2009, 09:54 PM
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You can never go wrong with the Remo Vintage Emperor over Ambassador Snare Side. This combo was used by Bonham, since Emperors were made out of the opaque film and were 7.5+7.5mil instead of clear plies coated 7+7mil.
Absolutely. I play my supraphonic for 40 years now - always changed, but mostly coated Ambassadors.

Now i tried the new Remo emperor vintage: great sound - also with higher tuning. Brought new life into my old friend. Will stay with these...

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Old 08-29-2009, 05:34 AM
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I have Evans G1 Coated over Hazy 300 on my 5x14 LM 400.
The stock Ludwig heads are nice too.
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Also got a LM400 (late 70s) with the G1/Hazy 300 combo with Puresound blasters. Absolutely love it! I just got myself a new LM420 and trying to decide between these Evans combinations with Puresound blasters and Hazy 300 side.

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Old 09-04-2012, 05:01 AM
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I was running a emperor x on it for awhile and all I can say is stay away from that head on this drum... Brutal..
Just put on a emperor and she is back, I don't think you can go wrong with a 2 ply coated head on this drum, but for all means stay away from the reverse dot stuff.
My opinion anyways..
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Also got a LM400 (late 70s) with the G1/Hazy 300 combo with Puresound blasters. Absolutely love it! I just got myself a new LM420 and trying to decide between these Evans combinations with Puresound blasters and Hazy 300 side.

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I have tried several combinations on my various LM400's.

I currently have Ambassadors top and bottom on my 1966 Supersensitive. That combination sounds great. Funnily though my student I loaned it to hated it and complained "Why doesn't it have a Modern vintage on it?"

Can't please everyone.

I have 2 modern LM400's. One is fitted with the same combination as above.

The second LM400 (pictured on my thread) is fitted with a Fat Cat snare wire, Aquarian Jack DeJohnette batter and Aquarian snare side. It sounds awesome! The Fat Cat wires really made a difference. The sound has a great crack plus depth and the wires offer more sensitivity than the original Ludwig wires.
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I play one at church and I am responsible for maintaining it. I like the Evans EC1 Reverse Dot over Hazy 300. I tune it up medium high. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:58 AM
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Have had tons of success with Vintage A Ambassador or Vintage Emperor, both coated, for batter. Hazy Ambassador on the bottom always. I figure, this drum came out a LONG time ago, and should be paired with the "vintage" heads that were around at the time. Very glad Remo brought them back.

I agree with the snare wires change, I put on 20-strand Puresound Blasters and it increased the volume by a bit.
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One might try some Puresound custom 24 just a little more kick with the 4 extra strands. I have the new brushed Acrolite 6.5 x 14 so the same thing minus the chrome plating, I am currently using an Evans Hazy 300, Aqurian Hi- Velocity and Puresound custom 24 strand and am really liking the sound!

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Old 09-20-2012, 01:16 AM
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It just seems natural to put Remos on a Supra. for set drum use, Ambassadore coated top and bottom works super! For a more concert style drum, I would put Diplomats on top and bottom. Classic Ludwig sound.
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