Paiste 101 Brass set 14/16/20

[ageadm]

I'm thinking on buying some new cymbals for my kit, as I don't really like the current ones I own. I'll buy them as a collection for a very cheap price, and yeah, I wont be trying them before buying, since I still have no idea to tell a difference between cymbal sounds, I guess that comes with time. Personally I think they will be surely better than the current cymbals I have, I have a poor, cracked 14" crash cymbal which will soon destroy my head with its terrible sound. My ride is 18" (if it's a ride lol) and it has that ringing sound which I doubt is appropriate for a common ride.

I'm thinking of getting this Paiste 101 set for a very cheap price:
http://www.audiostore-ks.com/?p=1492

Is it worth it? I mean, not that it's lot of money, but if they sound bad I shouldn't really get them. As I've said, I can't tell a difference between two different cymbals of the same size, so I need some pro advice here.

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

Trumpets are made from brass mate. Cymbals are made from bronze.

101's are the cheapest of cheap. Akin to the tin lids that come with supermarket kits.

[Swexx]

The Paiste 101's are really cheap and bad sounding. Buy some used Sabian XS20, Paiste 404/505, Paiste 2002 or Zildjian A instead. You'll get better sound for your money.

[ageadm]

Well, thanks. I wasn't aware of the bad quality of brass and to be honest, I never knew what normal cymbals are made of until now.
Will stay away from those then. My current crash and hi-hat are Paiste 404, which means that I have better cymbals than those 101s.

Thanks again.

EDIT:

How about these rides:
http://www.audiostore-ks.com/?p=1490
http://www.audiostore-ks.com/?p=1488

And this crash:
http://www.audiostore-ks.com/?p=1484

P.S: I don't know why, but I prefer Paiste over Zildjian.

[Swexx]

Originally Posted by ageadm

Well, thanks. I wasn't aware of the bad quality of brass and to be honest, I never knew what normal cymbals are made of until now.
Will stay away from those then. My current crash and hi-hat are Paiste 404, which means that I have better cymbals than those 101s.

Thanks again.

EDIT:

How about these rides:
http://www.audiostore-ks.com/?p=1490
http://www.audiostore-ks.com/?p=1488

And this crash:
http://www.audiostore-ks.com/?p=1484

P.S: I don't know why, but I prefer Paiste over Zildjian.

Paiste is great, but the Paiste's you've listed are really cheap.
Take a look at the Alpha or PST8 series, and stay away from Paiste's that are cheaper than them.

[Swexx]

Here's a great ride: http://www.thomann.de/de/sabian_xs20_20_medium_ride.htm

A decent hihat: http://www.thomann.de/de/paiste_pst5...dium_hihat.htm

And an ok crash: http://www.thomann.de/de/paiste_pst5...dium_crash.htm

It will be hard to find new, decent cymbal cheaper than that.

I'd still recommend that you buy used, for instance Paiste 2002 or Zildjian A.

[ageadm]

Thanks a lot for your reply mate. Unfortunately my budget is kinda low and this is why I'm looking for cheaper cymbals (and other stuff), but I obviously need to avoid crappy quality even though it's cheap, so thanks for telling me.

It's gonna take another few months until I collect enough money to buy that ride and crash. I think my Hi-hat is good enough, since you listed Paiste 404 in the good cymbals list in your previous post and I have Paiste 404 14" Medium Hi-hat.
Zildjian A prices are too high, can't even afford a 10" splash based on prices on amazon.de lol.

Can you give me a few more ride cymbal articles, I'm trying to keep everything Paiste and the one you suggested is Sabian.

[Swexx]

Originally Posted by ageadm

Thanks a lot for your reply mate. Unfortunately my budget is kinda low and this is why I'm looking for cheaper cymbals (and other stuff), but I obviously need to avoid crappy quality even though it's cheap, so thanks for telling me.

It's gonna take another few months until I collect enough money to buy that ride and crash. I think my Hi-hat is good enough, since you listed Paiste 404 in the good cymbals list in your previous post and I have Paiste 404 14" Medium Hi-hat.
Zildjian A prices are too high, can't even afford a 10" splash based on prices on amazon.de lol.

Can you give me a few more ride cymbal articles, I'm trying to keep everything Paiste and the one you suggested is Sabian.

Here's a ride from a newly introduced Paiste line that is certainly worth the price: http://www.thomann.de/de/paiste_20_p...edium_ride.htm

If you want an AMAZING ride cymbal, http://www.thomann.de/de/paiste_2002_20_ride.htm is the best ride in the world in my opinion. Maybe you could buy a used one?

EDIT: You could also have a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LIV1OwEPRo
It is hard to judge the cymbals since the level of EQ is high, but you get a good idea of what Paiste has to offer.

Cheers!

[Dre25]

I hate most cheap rides with a passion. stagg rides are good though, I play a very nice one at the practice studio I visit. I think it's a 20" medium brilliant b20.

A few rides I like:

paiste giant beat/big al
Zildjian k constantinople
Sabian Artisan
Meinl sand ride

Maybe jump on YouTube and listen to some samples.

[Swexx]

Originally Posted by Dre25

I hate most cheap rides with a passion. stagg rides are good though, I play a very nice one at the practice studio I visit. I think it's a 20" medium brilliant b20.

A few rides I like:

paiste giant beat/big al
Zildjian k constantinople
Sabian Artisan
Meinl sand ride

Maybe jump on YouTube and listen to some samples.

I think the Sabian XS20 rides are worth the buck, as well as the Paiste rides I listed below.
Zildjian ZBT, ZXT, ZHT, Planet Z etc I too hate with burning passion.

But isn't the K Constantinople rides a little out of reach for a guy who needs a cheap ride?
You could buy a car for that price lol ^^

[Dre25]

I said I liked them, I didn't say he could afford them.

;)

He can keep playing the cheap ones while he saves. It will give him time to decide what he likes too, and then he'll keep it forever.

[tamadrm]

The Paiste 404's are just a really good sounding cymbal line.Paiste actually made them too good.They are discontinued,so used or new old stock is the only way to buy them.

If money is a problem,then I would go with used cymbals.More bang for the buck.

Steve B

[ageadm]

Thanks everyone :)

Sorry for changing the direction of this topic a bit, but can you guys also tell me about a decent china cymbal? I want it to be 16"+ and the prices kinda fair, as you already noticed my budget is not even set yet lol.

This is what I've checked so far:
http://www.amazon.de/Meinl-HCS16CH-C...5457339&sr=1-6

[Dre25]

Paiste alpha Swiss crash.

[Mad About Drums]

Originally Posted by ageadm

I can't tell a difference between two different cymbals of the same size, so I need some pro advice here.

Have a look at these from Paiste and Zildjian, read the description of the various models listed and think in terms of how it will affect the sound of a cymbal at a given size.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paiste#Cymbal_lines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zildjia...ymbal_products

Hope it helps.

[ageadm]

Thanks for the links MAD, definitely helpful.

Paiste alpha Swiss crash.

This doesn't look like a china to me... :\

[Dre25]

Originally Posted by ageadm

This doesn't look like a china to me... :\

That's because it isn't. But it sounds trashy like one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fethPH6d2WI

I have owned 2 chinas, I don't like the way they're shaped, I'd much rather hit a crash cymbal so this is what I'd go with personally.