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Old 06-19-2010, 01:04 AM
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Default 2 bass drum's VS double kick pedal's

when i was young,i had a single bass drum with a crappy db pedal(which i destroyed on a regular basis.HAHAHA!!)after a coupla years,i lost my buzz for playin',but,5yrs ago i started again.bought a cheap kit($500)kitted it out with good head's,cymbal's,etc,then had the opportunity to buy another kit even cheaper.So i been playin' db with 2 kit's,but know im feelin the need to go back to a single bass with a double pedal.transportation wasnt an issue(even tho i had to jam 2 full sized kits into a very small hatchback)but i feel i played better with a single drum with a db pedal.
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Old 06-19-2010, 02:48 AM
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2 BD's
Pros: Looks cool, sounds better, can be tuned differently from each other if needed.
Cons: Extra gear to lug around, takes up more stage space, un-necessary if you don't play metal.

Double Pedal
Pros: Less gear, more convenient setup
Cons: Slave pedal lag, 2 pedals on 1 drum sound muddy at higher speeds.

I have a double bass kit but I rarely use both BD at the same time, and instead use the double pedal. I would like to use both drums but currently that is not happening. I split my 9 piece kit into a 4 & 5 piece so I can have 1 at home & 1 at practice.
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Old 06-19-2010, 04:09 AM
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i agree that 2 bd's looks cooler(im old skool & u dont really see many bands gettin round with 2 bd's)& i play hard rock & use a lot of quick double's & triplet's.i'd love to have the ability to leave 1 kit setup at home to practice,but as it is, the neighbours forced my band outta the garage & into the studio.I guess i only used the other kick for looks as i only use 2 mounted tom's(1 per kick)so it looks like i'll be gettin the double pedal!!
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Old 06-19-2010, 07:55 PM
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Yep 2 bass drums do look cool! You’ll likely never get them tuned exactly the same and you’ll often get to a venue and they won’t have 2 of the same bass drum mics so they might not sound the same anyway.
The muddy problem with really fast bass drum passages is the low pitch regardless of 2 drums or 1.
If this is your case consider the ease of lugging one drum with a double pedal and trigger your kick. Consistent tone and variable pitch (through the sound module) to more clearly define each stroke.
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Old 06-20-2010, 03:24 AM
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well,were hopin' to do a show in a coupla months time & i've seen the venue & the stage.Once all 4 of us are up there,there wont be a lot of room.other drummer's i've seen play there,use a db pedal,but dont mic their kit's.dont think the rooms big enuff to need to.as it is,my kit takes up a bit of room with the boom stand's.plus we may be sharing the bill with 5 or 6 other bands,so i dont wanna bit muckin' about gettin my stuff on & off the stage.
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Old 11-28-2010, 11:31 PM
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I think it depends what aspect you look at, do you play drums just for fun or professionally. If it is just for fun then 1 kick and double pedal would do fine, if not then definitely 2 bass drums with the same pedals and high end stuff. The reason being is if you have a single kick drum with double bass pedals. When you hit the drum super fast, it doesnt allow it to resonate nicely, you get a full sound and a sort of weaker sound, due to one pedal being in the center and one on the side, (or if you have it off set and the middle of the drum is in the middle of the 2 pedals, you will get a weaker sound) and when you have a bar between the pedals, you loose 12% of the power and reaction. Having 2 bass drums, gives more time for the drum to resonate, a better consistency in tone, both pedals will hit the center where your best sound comes from, and you can tune the 2 SLIGHTLY different. When you have 2 of the same sounds at the same time or very close, the frequencies can cancel each other out .
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Old 11-28-2010, 11:36 PM
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because, youll have a hard time when switching foots from the pedal to the hihat pedal when using double bass drum
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Old 11-28-2010, 11:37 PM
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Basic advantages and disadvantages entail each option for being able to have that speed with your bass. For instance, There is no better thing than to eliminate the idea of a slave pedal. Playing on two major pedals is something I imagine would be very enjoyable for anyone.

However, there's a lot of obvious trouble that goes into having a dual-bass set-up. The space, namely, and especially the tuning. If you're using the double-bass for the typical application, you' want the same noise for both pedals, which is a lot of trouble to go through.

In the end, however, go with what you prefer. If you feel you play better with a double-pedal, then that should be what you choose.
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Old 11-29-2010, 01:12 AM
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I play with two BDs & no - you won't get them exactly the same, but easily close enough for gov't. work. One of these days I may pick up a double pedal, but I just love playing with 2 kicks..
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Old 11-29-2010, 01:29 AM
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In my hair band days in the 80's I used 2 basses... My main was a Ludwig and the 2nd a cheap model...painted it black to match my kit....love my double pedal and now messing with a dualist for half the nights gig... 2 dualist on 2 bass drums now there something I wish I had in the 80's
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because, youll have a hard time when switching foots from the pedal to the hihat pedal when using double bass drum
I use 2 BD's and a HiHat mount with legs folded up on the HH.

The 2 pedals are 1/2 inch apart at the toe, the heals are touching, can't get any closer than that.
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Im wondering the same thing.... But I think two bass drums is best for a studio kit cause you can expand your kit with two more toms, and tune them differently. The only problem I can see is tuning the bds to the same note.... They may wear differently.
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for me two bass drums just feel killer to play. the feel is un rivaled but totally a personal preference. i hate slave pedals and therefore dislike double pedals. yes, your bass drums may not sound completely identical but thats what a sound guy is for; there is also triggers for that. it's all about tweaking in the end though. i urge drummers to get to know there bass drums and try different things to make them sound identical. it is possible but not if you aren't willing to put the effort in. \m/ \m/
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:05 AM
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also to add to my post...the hi-hat pedal doesn't have to be an issue. they make many different types of stands to accomodate dual bass drum players :D
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:57 AM
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When I thought I'd experiment with double bass, I bought a double pedal first (a nice DW5000 one), but I didn't like how the slave pedal felt a little sluggish compared to the primary, so I went out and got a double bass drum kit and loved it! I knew I wasn't any good at it, so I knew it would never leave the house for some time, and it was fun while I had it. I had my double bass kit on one side of the practice space, and my four-piece groover on the other. I think the feel of two pedals is better than a double pedal - less to break down over time. Of course, if you're gigging with them, you have to decide if you like hauling around two bass drums, and moving the bass drum with the hi-hat attached to it is not as easy as just picking up the bass drum that has rack toms on it if you set-up in one place and then have to move it into place on stage (like on a night when a number of bands are performing at a club).

But I always feel a little ripped off as an audience member when I hear a double bass-heavy song, and then only see one bass drum!
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Mechanically, a slave pedal will never have the same action as master pedal. If you had the best bearings in the universe and the U-joints it wouldn't helped the cause.
It was frustrating to play a double bass pedal for years because of that. I remember when I got a second BD I immediately dismantled the pedal into two pedals and traded the connecting rod for another stand. Now that's a deal :D

Now left leg finally feels right (haha). The whole set feels and looks much better.

And since I'll never gig again, I have no problem with two bass drums :)
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Old 01-21-2015, 09:29 PM
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I use both options, but prefer at any given time two bassdrums. But that's because I only play in metal bands at the moment, and luckily have the health to carry more stuff, and a bigger car to fit a doublebass kit in. For me and my bands, image is a pretty big deal as well, so unless the stage is really small, we always try to use the big kit. I try to tune my bassdrums as close to each other as possible, but I use to trigger them anyway to get a bit more articulate bassdrum sound, helps a lot on the higher paced stuff. And usually sounds better, in my opinion, on cheaper PA systems.

Playingwise I feel a big difference at high speed, but for slower paced songs I might as well use a double-pedal on a single kit, can't say I feel too much difference on a high-end double pedal. And it's best to have both options (at least if you only own a doublebass kit with single pedals), you never know if you have to gig with a smaller kit, or borrow someone else's kit on a gig.
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Sleishman evens the playing field. 1 bass drum, 2 pedals, 2 beaters, no drive shafts.
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The real difference is when you hit the same base drum with a double pedal, you are eventually hitting the bass drum at two different locations at the same time. The diaphram of the the bass drum head will react differently when struck at two locations then if struck at only one location.

When playing a double pedal you will hit the bass drum at the same time sooner or later at two different locations. This is either by playing poly rhythmic patterns or because you are riding on one foot and accenting on the other. There are probably other reasons this will happen too.

A single bass drum will not react the same as two bass drums. Now, when using a single bass drum and two beaters, how much time has to be between the two beaters in order for the diaphragm to recover?

Back in the early 70's I used two pedals on two drums. Now I use a double pedal, I really do not miss the two bass drums, I instead miss the way I played back then.
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2 BD's
Pros: Looks cool, sounds better, can be tuned differently from each other if needed.
Cons: Extra gear to lug around, takes up more stage space, un-necessary if you don't play metal.
If you were to do a survey of all drummers, I think the top two answers would be something like:

Pros: Looks cool
Cons: Looks silly
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If you were to do a survey of all drummers, I think the top two answers would be something like:

Pros: Looks cool
Cons: Looks silly
That sums it up perfectly. Two bass drums look "metal "and there is no getting around it. Metal is cool to some and silly to others.
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I'm rocking in the new year sporting the two main snares look. Two identical snares tuned as close as I can get them. I then play all my snare fills with my left hand on one drum and my right hand on the other. It looks so cool! I think it will sound better than one drum too, don't you? ;b
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if you play music where it matters, then
if you have a roadie, then
make that fool carry the second bass drum for you
else,
save your back
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be cool and use a single pedal
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I played double kicks for most of my formative years. But a double pedal for the last 15 or so.

There's a certain feel that two kicks have that no double pedal will ever be able to reproduce. Simple fact. The question is....do you play double bass frequently and fast enough for that to really matter?

Personally I also think it looks cool. But you will look ridiculous setting it up behind players doing largely acoustic...or indie music.

Unless you have a gong. Then you do whatever the hell you want. :)
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I'm rocking in the new year sporting the two main snares look. Two identical snares tuned as close as I can get them. I then play all my snare fills with my left hand on one drum and my right hand on the other. It looks so cool! I think it will sound better than one drum too, don't you? ;b
Pretty funny but realize that it actually is a very real issue with double pedal. The kick drum head takes time to reset after each hit and that becomes an issue at around 210 BPM. That is actually the same reason why drum corps guys play with the heads at full tension. Tighter head equals faster response.
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Pretty funny but realize that it actually is a very real issue with double pedal. The kick drum head takes time to reset after each hit and that becomes an issue at around 210 BPM. That is actually the same reason why drum corps guys play with the heads at full tension. Tighter head equals faster response.
I guess I can buy that. The head is extremely slack compared to a snare. I play and use dbl bass in a very different way than speed enthusiasts. More along the lines of Tool, I've never even considered just running as fast as I can for three or four minutes. Lesson learned

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I used to play double bass and never tried to tune them the same. What's the point? I liked having them sound different. My preference/opinion. Now I play single bass with double pedal. Took a while to get used to. For me, I have the slave pressed against the head while the main is used and it dampens the sound. Just bad habit I guess. BTW, why are double bass kits exclusive to metal nowdays? Moon wasn't metal. Neither was Belson. Don't think Simon Phillips is either. Can't you play metal with single bass, double pedal? Just sayin'....
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Only ever had a double pedal, I'd like to have 2 bass drums, but don't have the money or space. I am perfectly fine using double pedals, though.
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Other than looking cool I find next to no point in 2 BD's. I had 2 for a while in my monster drum kit. Its a real hassle to tune 2 drums the EXACT same if your going for that sound. as your playing one may get out of tune.

Half the Deathmetal guys trigger any ways thus eliminating the need for the second drum all together.

If going for different tunings then 2 BD would win.

Lugging gear!!! this is a major for me.. I don't have roadies... just band mates and a few friends that help out.,. that second kick takes up some valuable room in the suv for gigs. and hauling in and out of venues,recording etc.

SOUND GUYS!!! some sound guys MAY not have 2 kick drum Mics... or if your doing a quick and dirty recording,its also extra inputs in your interface you may not have. (I maxed out my 8 inputs already)

now as far as the "pros" of 2 bass drums. I never really experience pedal lag. I have a set of axis, and a set of demon drives and both pretty much eliminate the lag. don't go out and buy a $100 pedal thinking it will feel the same as a top of the line pedal.

The sound is the only big thing. if you have bad technique and rest your left beater into the drum, it will sound dead. on 2 drums you can get away with this. I have this bad technique issue myself.. but it hasn't got me to go out and spend 2k on another bassdrum yet. so to each their own


I should also state that I used to do well over 210bpm 16th notes on the kick at a medium tension with no issues. wood beaters on a single drum sounded great.

now that I'm hitting the 240ish range I trigger so that's a different conversation all together.. once again pluses and minuses for single and double kick situations hahah.
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As pointed out already, this is a preference choice. In my younger days I always had two kick drums (had 4 kits like that during my teens early 20's). I then went to a double pedal for my next kit. It took some getting used to, but I was able to do all the things I could do with my double bass set. The sound and feel is nowhere near as good, IMO.

I had my double pedal kit for 12 years and have went back to my true love, which is a double bass set. I've always played with 4 rack toms, so my hi-hat is never EXACTLY next to my second kick drum, however with the Iron Cobra lever glide that I have being a two-legged stand, I can get it VERY close to my snare and second pedal, but the 8" rack tom prevents it from being in the ideal position. I may get a remote stand one of these days, but I've been fine with this set up for my entire playing career, so I don't see the necessity.

But going back on topic, one isn't better than the other. If you can try both out, do so and choose whichever feels the best for you.
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so my hi-hat is never EXACTLY next to my second kick drum, however with the Iron Cobra lever glide that I have being a two-legged stand, I can get it VERY close to my snare and second peda
This would be one of the other "cons" to mention. I had to adapt to playing hihat with my right hand extremely crossed over. I eventually got tired of the extra distance so I bought one of those tama rigs that clamps the vertical shaft to the bass drum hoop and sliced the legs off my Pearl export hi hat stand.
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What is the big issue everyone has with lugging a 2nd kick? Everyone carries on like a kick drum weighs 235 lbs. Good god man. I used to play in a COUNTRY band, and I took a double bass kit w/ rack on a riser I built that was shaped like a triangle so it fit into corners (if needed) nicely. Did that every gig. Took up less space then a lot of single bass kits with a lot of stands that Ive seen. If youre not into 2 kicks, fine - but walking back outside to grab a
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What is the big issue everyone has with lugging a 2nd kick? Everyone carries on like a kick drum weighs 235 lbs. Good god man. I used to play in a COUNTRY band, and I took a double bass kit w/ rack on a riser I built that was shaped like a triangle so it fit into corners (if needed) nicely. Did that every gig. Took up less space then a lot of single bass kits with a lot of stands that Ive seen. If youre not into 2 kicks, fine - but walking back outside to grab a
2nd kick takes 5 minutes.

I can't speak for everyone, but most venues here involve a dash of equipment into the venue while you hope the Dept of Revenue vulture does not slap a fat orange $75 ticket on your vehicle for sitting double parked with the hazards. that third or fourth trip is usually enough to make the difference. Then, if you're lucky you get an entrance way barely big enough to fit your first kick drum. This is to assume you already know the stage will even accommodate the second kick.
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What is the big issue everyone has with lugging a 2nd kick? Everyone carries on like a kick drum weighs 235 lbs. Good god man. I used to play in a COUNTRY band, and I took a double bass kit w/ rack on a riser I built that was shaped like a triangle so it fit into corners (if needed) nicely. Did that every gig. Took up less space then a lot of single bass kits with a lot of stands that Ive seen. If youre not into 2 kicks, fine - but walking back outside to grab a
2nd kick takes 5 minutes.
Either your playing HUGE shows, or not many shows. or not many venues.

I have played everything from community centres to pretty large venu's.

Not all stages work great for the second kick. I have had to haul my drums a half a block and down stairs. 1 kick drum is not a huge deal. but that adds a whole trip. twice. then up and down the stairs in my house, TWICE. haha

Ive been backed in to some corners, back against the back of the stage. etc.

I've played small clubs where the sound guy has only ONE kick mic.

also. if you use a double pedal you can use a house kit, share a kit. etc.

My biggest issue why I personally use the minimal amount of equipment is the RUSH I have to be in.

I often play a venu with 4 bands in a night and 15 minute change overs. I set my gear up on the side to the right heights etc and am in a mad dash to get it all right. I feel the double pedal saves me precious time.
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Ha. I find the image of a country drummer up on stage with two big-ol' bass drums funny. Metal country?
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Ha. I find the image of a country drummer up on stage with two big-ol' bass drums funny. Metal country?
Oversized drum kits.......to match their oversized hats.......and oversized belt buckles!!
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Ha. I find the image of a country drummer up on stage with two big-ol' bass drums funny. Metal country?
It was hard to find a pic but I remember Garth Brooks drummer being in MD with this huge double bass kit enclosed in a crazy looking baffle setup.

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You could always get a double pedal that can split into two. Then decide on whether you need to carry the second bass drum depending on the venue and other requirements. Easy. Personally, I like the feel of separate double kicks, because it eliminates any possibility of the slave lagging.
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