Remo vs Evans?

sticks4drums said:
Remo rules, Evans drools. :)
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I remember my 6 year old son saying Boys rule, girls drool. Nice mature answer stix.

Remo heads are cheaper to buy the first time, but who wants to keep buying heads when Evans will last longer in the long run.
 
GRUNTERSDAD said:
I remember my 6 year old son saying Boys rule, girls drool. Nice mature answer stix.

Remo heads are cheaper to buy the first time, but who wants to keep buying heads when Evans will last longer in the long run.
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I was just kidding there Grunts. Don't take life so seriously. :) I think your out of reach Avatar pic is starting to frustrate you.
 
tard said:
thats not the experience ive had with my style and the music im playing, the aquarians last 3 to 4 times longer and the heads that i have found to sound the best on my kit have no equivalent from evans or remo.
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Aquarians weren't in the mix on the original question...I have tried them as well...they're good heads as well...I just prefer Evans...
 
Hi guys!

I recently treated myself to a Ludwig Supraphonic LM402.
Immediately I had to replace the Ludwig Weather Master medium head which came with the drum.
It was impossible to tune. At all.
Thomann were good enough to send me a coated Ambassador FOC.

Before that arrived I'd ordered a couple of Aquarian Texture Coated heads to try.

I'd like to point out that my recent Gretsch kit came with Evans Genera G1s as standard and an Emad bass drum batter.

Anyhoo, the Evans G1s on snares and toms have sounded generally good and have tuned up fairly easily.

I tried 2 identical Aquarian 14" Texture Coated heads on the Ludwig one after the other. Still couldn't properly tune the drum evenly. By this point I was beginning to fear my new drum was out of round. As soon as I tried cranking up the pitch it exaggerated the tuning inequalities.

I'd had enough by now, then remembered the Remo Coated Ambassador.
It tuned up straight away and I was able to take it through the whole spectrum of tension keeping constant even tuning throughout.

Good old Remo? Definitely in this case.
I think Evans Coated G1s are equally as good, but was surprised and disappointed by the Aquarians.

The moral of the story?

Don't despair with your troublesome snare - it may just be the head causing you tuning problems.

Thanks for reading,

Much love to the drumming fraternity,

Rod.
 
randomrod said:
I tried 2 identical Aquarian 14" Texture Coated heads on the Ludwig one after the other. Still couldn't properly tune the drum evenly. By this point I was beginning to fear my new drum was out of round. As soon as I tried cranking up the pitch it exaggerated the tuning inequalities.

I'd had enough by now, then remembered the Remo Coated Ambassador.
It tuned up straight away and I was able to take it through the whole spectrum of tension keeping constant even tuning throughout.

Good old Remo? Definitely in this case.
I think Evans Coated G1s are equally as good, but was surprised and disappointed by the Aquarians.
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Something doesnt seem quite right. In 15 years I have never had a problem with even one head and to have 2 at once that would not tune, there is a problem there somewhere, call Roy, I am sure if there is a problem with the heads he will give you new ones, but if you not going to do anything with them I would be happy to take them off your hands.
 
Remo IN MY OPINION make better basic heads - i.e. no muffling. Their industry standard Ambassadors and Emperors (barring their recent QC drop) sound a bit better than the Evans counterparts (G1 and G2). This is not to say the Evans G1 or G2 are bad heads. Not at all. On the other hand, any head that has internal or external muffling, power dots, or anything EXTRA, I tend to go with Evans because their technology seems to be a bit more advanced and/or better accomplished than Remo.

Case in point - an EC2 versus a Pinstripe. Are you kidding? There's absolutely no contest. EC2's rip the Pinstripes in every way possible. Same way with the Powerstroke 3. The bass head is fine but the toms and snare PS3's are just terrible. EC1's blow them out of the water.


So I say Remo for basic heads, Evans for anything beyond that.
 
evans is like sabian cymbals,they just dont have the tone that remo or zildjian does.its a very distinct sound,either you hear it or you dont.thank god for zildjian and remo...
 
drumphil31 said:
evans is like sabian cymbals,they just dont have the tone that remo or zildjian does.its a very distinct sound,either you hear it or you dont.thank god for zildjian and remo...
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More like, thank god for Sabian and Aquarian. Although both Zildjian and Sabian are both top quality cymbals you do realize that Sabian is actually closer to the original Zildjian than Zildjian when it comes to the original recipes and manufacturing techniques and when it comes to heads, sound wise as well as durability IMO Remo is the the bottom of the barrel.
 
tard said:
.........you do realize that Sabian is actually closer to the original Zildjian than Zildjian when it comes to the original recipes and manufacturing techniques.......
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It's a romantic notion that I've certainly heard before........no doubt stemming from the early days of Sabian when they were trying to get their name out and about and were happy to spin whatever tale they thought would best help shift their product. But the simple fact still remains, I have never heard a Sabian cymbal that even remotely resembles an old 50's or 60's Zildjian A anyway.

Not that that's a bad thing....it just is......If I ran the company I'd want them to have their own voice too. But it just seems to me that it's commonly used to spruik the merrits of Sabian cymbals, when the argument misses the mark completely anyway.
 
Pocket-full-of-gold said:
It's a romantic notion that I've certainly heard before........no doubt stemming from the early days of Sabian when they were trying to get their name out and about and were happy to spin whatever tale they thought would best help shift their product.
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Not just a tale. Before the brothers parted company Robert Zildjian ran Zildjian's Canadian plant in Meductic New Brunswick where all the Zildjian A's and some K's were made and after the split Robert changed the name to Sabian (named after his 3 kids Sally, Bill and Andy) and kept the same people and the same machinery and any pies that had not been stamped Zildjian were now stamped Sabian and even if they had wanted to advertise that fact they were not allowed by law but both brothers were legally entitled to use the family recipes and techniques handed down. When they parted ways the only thing that changed was the name on the front of the building.

Living only 3 hours from the plant and a personal friend of one of the employees my parents were able to get me a set of Zildjian high hats direct from the plant not too long before the change in the early 80's.

If you still dont believe it do a google search and you will find that although they have experimented and innovated with their other models the Sabian HH and AA's both still use the traditional Zildjian family bell bronze alloy and techniques.
 
tard said:
Not just a tale. Before the brothers parted company Robert Zildjian ran Zildjian's Canadian plant in Meductic New Brunswick where all the Zildjian A's and some K's were made and after the split Robert changed the name to Sabian (named after his 3 kids Sally, Bill and Andy) and kept the same people and the same machinery and any pies that had not been stamped Zildjian were now stamped Sabian and even if they had wanted to advertise that fact they were not allowed by law but both brothers were legally entitled to use the family recipes and techniques handed down.

Living only 3 hours from the plant and a personal friend of one of the employees my parents were able to get me a set of Zildjian high hats direct from the plant not too long before the change in the early 80's.

If you still dont believe it do a google search and you will find that although they have experimented and innovated with their other models the Sabian HH and AA's both still use the traditional Zildjian family bell bronze alloy and techniques.
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It's not the history that I dispute. It's the claim that because Sabian uses the "traditional family recipe" and manufacturing techniques that they are closer to older Zildjians than current Zildjian models are.

Despite what they tell us, I'm yet to hear a Sabian that sounds anything like an old Zildjian A or K......that particular claim is nothing more than marketing hype. Of that I'm convinced.
 
Pocket-full-of-gold said:
It's not the history that I dispute. It's the claim that because Sabian uses the "traditional family recipe" and manufacturing techniques that they are closer to older Zildjians than current Zildjian models are.

Despite what they tell us, I'm yet to hear a Sabian that sounds anything like an old Zildjian A or K......that particular claim is nothing more than marketing hype. Of that I'm convinced.
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You can believe what you want but I know for an absolute FACT that basically what was being shipped out the plant door as a Zildjian one day was shipped as a Sabian the next as there were hundreds possibly thousands of pies, formed, hammered and lathed cymbals at various stages in production ant the time of the name change.

Of course you wont find a new Sabian that sounds like an old Zildjian, you also wont find a new Sabian that sounds like an old Sabian, nor will you even find a new Sabian that sounds like a new Sabian, or a new Zildjian that sounds like a new Zildjian because no 2 cymbals sound the same, not even within the same the same size, model and finish.

As far as im concerned the "which is better" argument between Sabian and Zildjian is almost the same as arguing over which pickup truck is better, Chev or GMC...
 
drumphil31 said:
evans is like sabian cymbals,they just dont have the tone that remo or zildjian does.its a very distinct sound,either you hear it or you dont.thank god for zildjian and remo...
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The reason I switched to Sabian from Zildjian, is the Zildjian cymbals coming out of the factory in 2000-2001 just plain SUCKED compared to what they were putting out a few years before then. They aslo discontinued a few cymbals that I was using and I couldn't get them anymore. Once Zildjian discontinues something, that's it. They are gone. Period. They WON'T make one and don't take special orders.

Sabian doesn't do that, they'll take special size orders, or make something custom.

Maybe it's a generational thing, IDK, but if YOU like how Zildjian's sound, that's great, and they make cymbal sounds that you dig.
I played Zildjian for 25 years starting in 1975. The AA cymbals Sabian makes sound more like the Classic "A Zildjian" 70's, and 80's Zildjian cymbals. A Medium from Sabian is a Medium, and a Med. Thin is a Med. Thin, not heavier and clangier sounding than what they were supposed to be (or were back in the day with Zildjian).

The Sabian factory is the factory that made the re-introduced Zildjian K's, and some other lines when Zildjian needed more production before the split. Neil Peart's "famous" ride came from the Canadian factory--even though it's a Zildjian A, and the A's were coming from the American factory.
The formula the companies use is still the same. The way they make them into a cymbal is different, as Zildjian NOW uses little handwork in their production these days. As little as possible to my ears, but to each their own.

I haven't heard a cymbal out there now that really sounds like the 50's and 60's A Zildjian cymbals though. They do sound different, and they are a lot thinner than what's usually in shops to pick from. Pretty cool cymbals for sure. My boss has several I'd like to get my hands on...

I like both Remo and Evans heads, but Remo has a sound and performance I like a little better, so I use them.
 
KarlCrafton said:
Evans Specialist--does Evans offer a Coated G1 in 26"?
Any 26" bass drum heads without a control ring?
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According to the most recent information that I have, they do in both clear and coated and up to a 28" diameter. The way things get changed around a bit at Evans, this information may not be correct at this particular day and time.

Dennis
 
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