...for the jazz cats ...

So here's Albert Mangelsdorff, with a nice piece from 1968. Much more "inside" to calm your nerves after Machine Gun. This one features Lee Konitz, one of my favorites. Lee is from the standard guard of jazz musicians from the U.S., but he had a flair for stretching the boundaries of his music. http://youtu.be/P8b64EqsbsU
 
Not European (but neither is Matthew Shipp), but here's one I'd be curious about your reaction to, considering you like the structure of a traditional theme. This tune definitely works around one. And I mean WAY around one at times, but it's still there. One of my personal faves, the great Albert Ayler: http://youtu.be/Ql3TPyFiIlM
 
Geez, and I thought I was being subversive with my recent postings of late lol

Thanks Larry, definitely came through with the bacon. I give my opinions based the fact that's it's interesting to know how your favourite music touches people who know little or nothing about it ...

Alexander von Schlippenbach. Definitely reminded me of Cecil Taylor, though I just read that he sees that (apparently common) comparison as superficial. Good late night listening.

Matthew Shipp's Take the A Train ... love the subversiveness. It's bonkers. Never a fan of the song so this is definitely my favourite version :)

Machine Gun ... too tough for me. Prefer Hendrix's Machine Gun by a long shot. The start reminded me of Merzbow, which is scary in itself.

Albert Mangelsdorff - I'd call it bop rather than free (based on not a lot of knowledge). Liked the start but not really my cuppa.

Albert Ayler ... now I'm thinking Art Ensemble - subverting trad. For the most part I can't say I liked it but there was a cool part where he was working the harmonics and the drummer was going off with him (not sure if this is an identifiable statement :)

That was interesting and thanks again for this. Gradually broadening my tastes ...
 
Okay, I've decided to put the free jazz links I promised Polly in this thread, just because I can't think of a better thread to put them in. We were derailing some other thread with this discussion, so at least now it can continue in a semi-relevant thread.

Polly, I was trying to find you some good links to the European collective improvisation, only to discover there are precious few clips online. The FMP label (I recommend you read about it here: http://www.fmp-label.de/index_en.php or via Google search) had an impressive artist stable of both European and American artists. I wanted to start you out with Peter Kowald's excellent Was Da Ist, but I can't find anything online.

Here's something from Alexander von Schlippenbach, the pianist. http://youtu.be/Kv7nls6ur9k

And a version of Take The A Train by Matthew Shipp: http://youtu.be/HfZmJSVAPQY

Okay, are you feeling nervy? When you are, let's see if you're ready for this classic. The slightly terrifying Machine Gun by Peter Brötzmann: http://youtu.be/27CpT79NMhQ

DUDE, we are speaking the same language. Von Schlippenbach Trio- "Pakistani Pomade" has got to be one of my favorite records of all time. Ill put this up because its absolutely brilliant and GUO was a straight up all star band of European free players:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uMhfDPDjKU
 
8Mile, I found another fast bop clip that I really like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deq1VSHPIDs

Why haven't I heard of this Idris Muhammad? This tune swings ridiculously hard.

There ya go!

Idris is terrific. He's recorded with a such a wide variety of musicians. Yeah, he swings like a mother*****r on this tune. Pharoah is tremendous.

Really happy that you're finding some stuff to your liking.
 
DUDE, we are speaking the same language. Von Schlippenbach Trio- "Pakistani Pomade" has got to be one of my favorite records of all time. Ill put this up because its absolutely brilliant and GUO was a straight up all star band of European free players:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uMhfDPDjKU

Outstanding! I'm happy there's more than one of us here who loves this music.
 
Nice to come back to all these great links and books etc - thanks guys!

Henri, that Idris Soulful Drums is nuts - awesome. The vibe reminded me of the Take Five solo but with stuttering(?) singles like Max. For some reason it always makes me think of leaves crackling underfoot in autumn. (Hmm, seems I need a new replacement for cigarettes)

Larry, I like Eighty One but Free for All hits the spot - how about that washy ride sound? Art's solo reminds me of Ginger Baker at the start - no, really! (I read that Art won a drum duel between him and Ginger).

"Stating of a theme followed by fierce blowing" ... isn't that the very definition of jazz? ;-)

David, alas, the live Idris clip didn't cut through my gnat-like attention span.
 
thought I would put this vid here.

this is a segment from the "Straight No Chaser " documentary

the recording of "Ugly Beauty "

there is a strange tension here from the moment the producer enters to the end of the video

you will see Teo Marcero stop the band mid take, Monk gets pissed....then they run through it again only to realize it was not recorded.....Monk gets more pissed

I just thought this was a great view inside the realness of an old time session
a great watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOVpjHX4j_8
 
That was cool to watch, anyone here know any good resource on early jazz history, I'm interested in learning more abuot the subject but there's a lot of books out there, can anyone point me in the right direction?

I enjoy the Ken Burns documentary

it's a 10 DVD set

pretty well done

lots of great info
 
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