Heat gun on Resos

Re: Heat Gun on Snare Reso Head

I wouldn't recommend the hair dryer/heat gun technique if you've got Evans heads with the Level 360 collar (I really wouldn't recommend it otherwise either, unless you can insure that your application of heat will be completely uniform). We go to great lengths in order to minimize the amount of heat used when forming our collars. Because of the Level 360 collar design, the head is already sitting flat on the shell and doesn't require over-tensioning, CPR, hair driers, mystic voodoo, or monkey chants. :)

Now, if only you guys could make a head that will give me that same coated Ambassador tone, I'd make the full switch.

For real, though, next time I pick up some snare heads, I'm gonna' get a coated G1 and a 300 to test the waters. I've never liked Evans heads quite as much as Remo on my snare.

That decision was made easier by the fact that my local GC NEVER has regular coated Ambassadors in stock, and I always have to pick up something I really don't want.
 
Re: Heat Gun on Snare Reso Head

yeah but Bob Gatzen said to do it. I mean if he said it..

That was a while back, pre-Level 360.

Now, if only you guys could make a head that will give me that same coated Ambassador tone, I'd make the full switch.

For real, though, next time I pick up some snare heads, I'm gonna' get a coated G1 and a 300 to test the waters. I've never liked Evans heads quite as much as Remo on my snare.

That decision was made easier by the fact that my local GC NEVER has regular coated Ambassadors in stock, and I always have to pick up something I really don't want.

Ever tried the G12 or G14? You may find that you like it even more. Not all heads are created equal... :)
 
Re: Heat Gun on Snare Reso Head

That was a while back, pre-Level 360.



Ever tried the G12 or G14? You may find that you like it even more. Not all heads are created equal... :)

I haven't. I don't like going above 10mil on my snare heads. I have a 14mil Remo on right now, and it just doesn't sound as good as a regular ol' ambassador to me.
 
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I haven't. I don't like going above 10mil on my snare heads. I have a 14mil Remo on right now, and it just doesn't sound as good as a regular ol' ambassador to me.

Again, not all heads are created equal. I would strongly recommend that you check out what we're doing with various thicknesses of single-ply heads. They are far from "equivalents."
 
Re: Heat Gun on Snare Reso Head

Again, not all heads are created equal. I would strongly recommend that you check out what we're doing with various thicknesses of single-ply heads. They are far from "equivalents."

Wow. Are you trying this hard to sell off your heads because they're not selling that well? All you do around here is "recommend" or talk down about "equivalents". Give it a rest already. Matter of fact I've yet to see you reply to my question on whether you were talking about the character of other two ply heads by your company or other companies two ply heads in a thread about the Gretsch USA Custom. I know it was the latter but I wanted to see if you would man up and admit to talking trash about products from other companies.

IMO the 360 collar is nothing but a marketing gimmick as having a truer bearing edge and level hoops or rims is what helps to minimize problems with tuning. The better the equipment, the better and less problematic the tuning process will be. What's funny is Remo doesn't have to have a marketer on forums to promote their heads every day or every 5 minutes, their reputation of quality and sound you get from their heads speaks for their self. Not to mention one of the most technical drummers in the world, Tomas Haake, jumping onboard with an "equivalent" recently.

Your heads are not the end all be all drum heads that are 100% flawless. I've tried a set of 360 G1's and the 12" had a kink in the head that I had to straighten out myself. The mylar actually had a wrinkle or kink in it because it wasn't molded properly. Not to mention other problems I've had with Evans. IMO you should take a breather from forcing your "recommendations" onto people. It's in bad taste and only makes Evans look desperate for consumers.
 
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Remo doesn't have to have a marketer on forums to promote their heads every day or every 5 minutes, their reputation of quality and sound you get from their heads speaks for their self.

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I use remo on all my toms and snares so I like remo. However, they have a lot of problems with "dead heads" right out of the box. Their quality isn't always the best. Lighten up on this evans guy. Its nice of him to actually post on a forum.
 
I use remo on all my toms and snares so I like remo. However, they have a lot of problems with "dead heads" right out of the box. Their quality isn't always the best. Lighten up on this evans guy. Its nice of him to actually post on a forum.

Yeah it's nice for a rep to reply about problems, give a heads up about future products in development, or even talk about current products but to go around to every drum head thread, especially when it's not about their company in the first place and not only constantly "promote" their super-duper terrific be all end all 360 collar but also subliminally talk down about their fellow drum head companies is, IMO, a disgusting marketing act. Unfortunately I understand it's all about sales and getting that money but Christ give it a rest. Have a bit of respect for not only the people who sell products in the drumming community, i.e other drum head companies but for yourself and your company as well. No need to be a shark over something that isn't as big of a deal as he's obviously making it out to be. Also I never said Remo doesn't have or haven't had their fair share of issues. We all know about the coating and I'm sure there were a few dead heads here and there. Though you don't see an "Remo Specialist" coming in to defend those issues and say even with those problems, our heads are better than the "equivalents".

My main issue is with the constant disrespect toward other companies in order to turn a leaf and make a sale. Promote the **** out of that collar but do so respectfully and without having to talk down about the other "equivalents".
 
..... Sooooo, uhhhh.. How 'bout that one sports team.....?

If that one team you refer to is the same one that I have been rooting for my whole life and still has not won a Super Bowl, yeah they suck again this year. Perhaps they need to see Bob Gatzen...
 
I think whether or not a rep from any company comes here to promote his products should be left up to Bernhard. If said rep is a problem Bernhard will deal with it. Our Evans man has been here for quite a while and I haven't seen the all but blatant disrespect for other companies that you seem to have witnessed. I wish more reps were on here to promote their products and be as willing to give up his time as EvansSpecialist. the bottom line is, if you don't like Evans, don't buy Evans. He has gone out of his way to help several forum members with bad stock, and certainly wasn't what he signed up for. Please stay on topic, Hair dryers, and heat guns or I shall have to enact the magic thread closing rule. we are all adults with opinions and we are allowed to espouse them here, but not at the bash the other person level. thanks.
 
I wish more reps were on here to promote their products and be as willing to give up his time as EvansSpecialist.

Agreed. I really wish there was a "RemoSpecialist" to chat to. Although I fear "LudwigSpecialist" may cop some flak if he dared rear his head.

Please stay on topic, Hair dryers

No need for one. Not enough hair to dry.

and heat guns

To remove paint? Great idea. To seat a humble drum head? Complete overkill.......and I couldn't give a toss what Gatzen says on the matter. Heads just don't to be heated up to seat. I've replaced far too many without heat over the years for it to be an absolute necessity.

And FWIW, seating a drum head does not entail "shrinking the collar to fit the drum" despite what I've read earlier in this thread. It's more to do with ensuring head contact to the bearing edge.
 
......and I couldn't give a toss what Gatzen says on the matter. .

ahhh that felt good. never heard of him, never had a tuning problem either.
i may take a shot at SupertightReso specialist. i will nominate Andy for
NeedlessWindchime specialist
 
I think whether or not a rep from any company comes here to promote his products should be left up to Bernhard. If said rep is a problem Bernhard will deal with it. Our Evans man has been here for quite a while and I haven't seen the all but blatant disrespect for other companies that you seem to have witnessed. I wish more reps were on here to promote their products and be as willing to give up his time as EvansSpecialist. the bottom line is, if you don't like Evans, don't buy Evans. He has gone out of his way to help several forum members with bad stock, and certainly wasn't what he signed up for. Please stay on topic, Hair dryers, and heat guns or I shall have to enact the magic thread closing rule. we are all adults with opinions and we are allowed to espouse them here, but not at the bash the other person level. thanks.

I agree with Grunter here. Ben has been mostly helpful with our members dealing with bad heads and giving advice etc.. Of course he promotes Evans but I don't recall him putting down other companies products at all. Those of us who have been around awhile know what we like anyway. As drummers, I like to think that we are the type to discuss, argue, yell, disagree, etc and then buy each other a beer and wish each other well. Drummers have a great camaraderie...lets keep it that way.
 
I agree with Grunter here. Ben has been mostly helpful with our members dealing with bad heads and giving advice etc.. Of course he promotes Evans but I don't recall him putting down other companies products at all. Those of us who have been around awhile know what we like anyway. As drummers, I like to think that we are the type to discuss, argue, yell, disagree, etc and then buy each other a beer and wish each other well. Drummers have a great camaraderie...lets keep it that way.

Please read in an easy going voice lol. ;) :)

I respect that he helps when he can and in any way possible. Though honestly what got me rolling was just the fact that, yes in a way, he did put down other companies when referring to "other heads" or "equivalents". He did it twice in this thread and then once in another thread a while back. IMO, just offer a possible solution, take the idea to possibly work on their current 10mil single ply coated head to make it better for consumers like TC and go on. There's no need to act like a shark or to go to such marketing extremes as to talk down about other companies products here and to continue to force your products onto someone when they've clearly stated they don't like what you have to offer currently. Just came off as a bit much is all.
 
Yeah it's nice for a rep to reply about problems, give a heads up about future products in development, or even talk about current products but to go around to every drum head thread, especially when it's not about their company in the first place and not only constantly "promote" their super-duper terrific be all end all 360 collar but also subliminally talk down about their fellow drum head companies is, IMO, a disgusting marketing act. Unfortunately I understand it's all about sales and getting that money but Christ give it a rest. Have a bit of respect for not only the people who sell products in the drumming community, i.e other drum head companies but for yourself and your company as well. No need to be a shark over something that isn't as big of a deal as he's obviously making it out to be. Also I never said Remo doesn't have or haven't had their fair share of issues. We all know about the coating and I'm sure there were a few dead heads here and there. Though you don't see an "Remo Specialist" coming in to defend those issues and say even with those problems, our heads are better than the "equivalents".

My main issue is with the constant disrespect toward other companies in order to turn a leaf and make a sale. Promote the **** out of that collar but do so respectfully and without having to talk down about the other "equivalents".

+1

what should be an even bigger issue- while its nice that our hero has saved countless lives putting out 600 fires, should there really BE 600 fires in the first place?

someone in another thread mentioned getting "a bad batch of heads"... how is that even possible?

magic?

or poor QC leading to 600 "fires"?

followed by a (cough, cough) "re-design"
 
Please read in an easy going voice lol. ;) :)

I respect that he helps when he can and in any way possible. Though honestly what got me rolling was just the fact that, yes in a way, he did put down other companies when referring to "other heads" or "equivalents". He did it twice in this thread and then once in another thread a while back. IMO, just offer a possible solution, take the idea to possibly work on their current 10mil single ply coated head to make it better for consumers like TC and go on. There's no need to act like a shark or to go to such marketing extremes as to talk down about other companies products here and to continue to force your products onto someone when they've clearly stated they don't like what you have to offer currently. Just came off as a bit much is all.

I think if you feel that saying "other companies" and "equivalents" is putting another company down, you have very thin skin. I take equivalents to mean, another companies 2 ply coated head. Maybe if he mentioned the other company he would be putting them down. I would rather he be known as a rep for Evans, than to have some other forum member accuse him of being a "fanboy" for mentioning Evans in his posts and screen name. Time to move on.
 
My next head purchase is going to be EVANS 360, ordering a crapload soon.

Been a REMO user for a long time tho will credit this EVANS purchase in part to what I've read on this forum and partly b/c Im seeing them show up more and more on backline kits I use, the little tweeks I do on them has been enough to catch my interest and they sound/feel really good, better than the REMO 'equivalents' Im used to.
 
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