A question about heads...

must mean this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIcUBJrtKTg

Good video, but what he says confuses 'sustain' with 'resonance'. Again 2 different things.
Yep the thicker head has more sustain, but is no more resonant.
Semantics....back to work for me too.

Thanks Louis for finding the clip/video. 2:07 mark explains it well enough for me... as in my mind, resonance and sustain are "peas and carrots" - they "dovetail" if you will.
 
Yeah Birdman I knew I was right. Bob even says and shows us what the difference is. Yeah the thin reso head is just a touch bright but the sustain is very short, with that EC reso it's dark and deep but rings for days. IMO the sound this guy is after would be a very thin reso, a G12, G14 or G2 on the batter and tuned to his liking. No it won't be doom, death, gore sounding deep but it won't be high pitched and jazzy if tuned properly as well.

Also sorry to lol but I have to say that Specialist isn't really a "specialist" if he's giving that kind of info. I'm just an average Joe who knows better and tbh it's really common sense when you think about it. Seems to me that guy is just here to push their products onto people. Another reason I'm glad I went back to Remo.
 
Apples and oranges for sure, and simple to understand. An unplugged Les Paul has tons of sustain, but not nearly as resonant as any acoustic guitar.

Although you could look at it from a different angle and say we are looking at two different kinds of sustain...
 
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Put Evans EC Resonant heads on your tom bottoms, and it will be just what you want. The toms still ring, but it is more focused. Good luck in getting the sound you want. Peace and goodwill.
 
Put Evans EC Resonant heads on your tom bottoms, and it will be just what you want. The toms still ring, but it is more focused. Good luck in getting the sound you want. Peace and goodwill.

lol

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Back to my original question. I like the sound the Evans Genera Dry gives my snare drums. Is there a similar sounding head for toms? Gonna try the Aquarian Focus X and see if it works for me. Thanks to those who gave suggestions for various heads and combinations. oddtime74...I have considered a really thick single ply...just haven't experimented enough yet with different combos. Remember, I'm not after dead...just dry. As I said, the Genera Dry gives me THAT sound for snare. Looking to get something close to that for toms.
 
Also sorry to lol but I have to say that Specialist isn't really a "specialist" if he's giving that kind of info. I'm just an average Joe who knows better and tbh it's really common sense when you think about it. Seems to me that guy is just here to push their products onto people. Another reason I'm glad I went back to Remo.

I certainly appreciate your opinion, though through my experience with our heads and based on the description given in the OP, I would stand by my recommendation for a thicker reso for a darker tone (created by the overtone control ring on the Genera Dry). Given some experimenting in tuning between batter and reso, you can achieve a VERY short sustain with a thicker head. All I can offer up is my experiences and knowledge. While a thicker single-ply of material will resonate for a longer period of time if tuned the same as a thinner single-ply, it will require more force to put it in motion.

At the end of the day, a lot of this comes down to tuning variables. There are lots of ways to attain a variety of sounds from the same head configuration. When it comes to creating certain sounds, methods are definitely subjective. Though I'll always try to offer my reasoning for why I would make a given recommendation.

I don't believe I've ever pushed Evans products on anyone here. I'm very careful about offering assistance- not being a billboard and I believe many people on this forum would back me up on that. I'm here to offer support to drummers and answer any questions possible. I've yet to see a representative from any other drumhead company offer that here.
 
I don't believe I've ever pushed Evans products on anyone here. I'm very careful about offering assistance- not being a billboard and I believe many people on this forum would back me up on that. I'm here to offer support to drummers and answer any questions possible. I've yet to see a representative from any other drumhead company offer that here.

Certainly agreed. EvansSpecialist is a valuable member of this forum, though I have had my disagreements with Evans in the past- he's certainly not in it only for advertising.

Anyways, I think the statements about what thickness offers the most resonance is somewhat disregarding the force applied. As has been hinted at, a thicker head offers generally more resonance, but requires more force to 'activate'- whereas a thinner head at a lower volume will generally open up easier and offer a better quality of tone at that volume as well. I already recommend coated heads, but the suggestion of punching your own holes might also work.

You could also check out KickPort's new FX Series, which are 1" and 2" ports designed for use with both toms and bass drums. I'd get some of those sooner than later... can't see them being very popular.
 
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I don't believe I've ever pushed Evans products on anyone here. I'm very careful about offering assistance- not being a billboard and I believe many people on this forum would back me up on that. I'm here to offer support to drummers and answer any questions possible. I've yet to see a representative from any other drumhead company offer that here.

Not sure the reasons for the negative comment directed at you.
Actually your opinion and presence here is appreciated by most people here. I'd like to see more industry people show up and chip-in comments, as there are certainly lots of questions about their products.
 
I don't believe I've ever pushed Evans products on anyone here. I'm very careful about offering assistance- not being a billboard and I believe many people on this forum would back me up on that. I'm here to offer support to drummers and answer any questions possible. I've yet to see a representative from any other drumhead company offer that here.

You know what, you're right and I can appreciate the fact that you do participate here. While I may have had a bad experience dealing with a customer service rep at Evans it gives me no reason to respond to you like I did as it wasn't your fault I had said experience. So I apologize for my immature and unprofessional remarks.

Good day sir.
 
I don't believe I've ever pushed Evans products on anyone here. I'm very careful about offering assistance- not being a billboard and I believe many people on this forum would back me up on that. I'm here to offer support to drummers and answer any questions possible. I've yet to see a representative from any other drumhead company offer that here.

True.

ES has never bashed anyone else's product or preached on the superiority of his.

I even asked him in a PM a while back about some differences between Evans and Aquarian. Not once did he say one was better than the other. He simply answered my questions with professionalism.

The forum could use a lot more members from "the biz" on here like EvansSpecialist.
 
Thanks guys, I really do appreciate it and am happy to help out when I can, wherever I can. Cheers!

Ben O'Brien Smith
Percussion Product Specialist
D'Addario & Co.
 
Its always good to have a contribution from some-one in the biz, and Ben's a welcome visitor here, there a re few others within the drum industry who do read a participate here, and I for one always appreciate hearing straight from the horse's mouth.


oddtime, a tip of the hat to you for your last post, nice touch.
 
When speaking of drum heads, it would be really nice to hear from a representative from Remo just to keep things from becoming so lopsided at times. Maybe the coating issues are keeping them away. ;)

Dennis
 
Oh well. It seems this thread got hijacked into a discussion of Evans Specialist's hidden agenda or lack thereof. But I thought I might post a follow up for anyone who's at all interested. I ended up with Aquarian Focus X on the batter and Aquarian Hi-Frequency on the reso. The Hi-Frequency head is VERY thin and open...at 7 mil it is even thinner than a Diplomat. But I think this is going to be a perfect combination for me. I am loving the sound of it so far. Put it on my 12" Ludwig tom on Monday and have been pounding on it ever since. Nice rich full fundamental with powerful punch and very little in the way of odd harmonics. Not dead. But very dry. Ordered a full setup for the other three toms today. Looks like this combo is a winner.
 
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