Re: My rant on today's pop music
It's a continuum, then. But I'll still argue that the bands listed above aren't truly experimental. Why? Because the concepts and ideas were far from new then and because what they were doing was very easily traceable. The experimentalism is partly down to the naiveity of the listener, but I think the 'real' measure is a far more objective referentialism. And by that I mean the number/significance/relationship of other work, which is actually fairly easy to objectively ascertain.
Most of the 'experimentalism' I'm talking about doesn't use 12 notes. The stuff I'm really talking about barely uses any. The last piece I made had about six and only one of them was a traditionally definable 'scale' note and I'm not that close to the top of the real avant.