Originally Posted by kris_nz15
Personally Stu, I have to say I agree with some of what you are saying and I disagree with other things. I dont want to criticise you or anything I mean of course you have your own opinion. That what you said abut the age thing, I think it does matter how old somebody is. Joey is now what? 31 years old as far as i know. Steve Gadd is maybe in his mid 60's?
It has taken Steve Gadd until now to master his techniques. Sure he has been an incredible drummer for many years now but not as good as he is now. If we gave Jordison a chance to reach a mature age in which he might develop a interest for jazz, blues etc. so lets say when he is 50 and then start comparing him to the hardout session drummers. What you said about either someone can play or they cannot play seems like a fair comment to me. Joey can play drums very good and I do not think that we need to give him such a hard time about that he focusses mainly on heavy metal drumming.
The accumulated experiences that come with age most often breed artistic maturity. In the case of percussionists, said attributes can manifest as long as practioners remain in respectable physical condition. Jazz demonstrates this principle on a regular basis. Buddy Rich's peak years were his late forties and early fifties...same with Bellson. Krupa didn't fully mature until he had his own band. By that time he was pushing 40. Although Max Roach was a phenom with Miles Davis and Clifford Brown, he really didn't become entirely seasoned until he was well in his 40s. Old timer Dave Tough was totally reborn with Woody Herman at age 44. This was probably even more the case with Blakey.
There are of course rare instances of the opposite occuring, with Tony Willims among the most prominent...although he was quite remarkable up until his premature demise.