Originally Posted by KarlCrafton
...hmmm.....something like KISS?...oh wait, you said musical integrity...sorry...hahaha!
When I was a kid I really got into KISS, and I still like a lot of the songs and they are fun to play (cool songs, not R&R All Nite...) and people really dig some of the good obscure stuff when we do a cover.
But the last studio effort (Psyco Circus...uggh jeeze....) was pretty lame (being generous) IMO, there's some decent bits, but .....it's a bad record.
The "Band" is a tribute now to what it was IMO...but people still go and pay to see it.
Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer are great players, but they're in a high paid cover band situation IMO...which wouldn't suck...I'd like to be doing it (maybe--you never know what it's really like!).
I get what you are saying, and it's that way when it's ONE guy and maybe not even the main member going out and calling it "X" like it's "the band".
Thin Lizzy was like that a few years ago. There's one guy from the band, and he was a lesser known guy (and he might not have even been an original member) who hired big name players and went out as "Thin Lizzy".
Kinda lame, on the other hand, it's a great way to see Tommy Aldridge up really close really playing in a gig situation and not in a clinic.
Groups like Bachman/Comings are playing "the hits", but they have people that still want to hear them, and they get hired to do some pretty HIGH DOLLAR events, which say's there's a lot of opportunity out there for a GOOD group other than "touring" and selling records.
If you are a musician, you play.
I was surprised at all the stuff they do--some pretty cool sh*t from what the band was saying.
Cheap Trick.....not just playing the hits and living off the past.
They have a prtety big and loyal fan base too.
Go on their site and look the tour itinerary....lots of dates.
They go to Austrailia in the next month for a bunch of shows, and I think they're pretty solidly booked the rest of the year!
They also put out albums that are good--even though they get no air-play--and they do more than play the hits (which people forget that they have several hits).
The stuff "radio" plays now is full of a lot of the same sounding crap, and with the net, people can discover cool a$$ music like the old days when it was more word of mouth and bands grew a loyal following and not just become the flavor of the month and then fade away.
The Cars...they weren't the original BAND, but with Eliot Easton and Greg Hawkes, they really had the original SOUND, and they played GREAT.
Todd Rundgren can sing in the range covering Ben Orr and Ric Okasek(sp?), and did a fine job....but I can see the "cover band" in that situation, but people loved it, and they sounded great, so the "musical" part was absolutely there.
In my line of work I have picked integrity (and working with good honest people over big money and BS dealing with shallow back stabbing a-holes--I'm in graphic design/advertising) over money as well.
Not that I don't do pretty dang good, but my snare drum collection isn't as cool as some here....I won't mention any names....but there's a custom gold plated engraved snare with their name on it on this forum somewhere.... :-)haha all in good fun!
Kiss WAS cool, they never sold out, they were exactly like they were from the start and never said they were any better musicians than they were. They put together a complete SHOW, lots of bands have done it, they were just more successful at it that's all. I'd say there's PLENTY of integrity there as it hasn't changed since the begining. And what's bad about Rock and Roll all night?? :O The Peter Criss version is a fun song to play to. Let's face it, it's now a classic!! Kiss also gives young drummers something that they can handle at the beginning of the learning curve. And again, it's just fun stuff.
Bands going out as a lesser version sometimes are so bad it's embarrassing, (remember The Sweet?? There were TWO versions BOTH of which were just not up to the task.
) however like you said, if they do an UPGRADE, it can be a GREAT thing for the future of a classic band. Let's face it Todd Rundgren is an upgrade, it's kind of like when Joe Walsh joined the Eagles, it was an UPGRADE 'cause everyone KNEW how great HE was!!
Bachman/Cummings aren't the lesser known end of their careers, they are the meat and potatoes and they've both still "got it" so it's all good.
Cheap Trick I believe is the entire original band and again, they still got what it takes to be as good as they were back in the day, maybe better. Bun-E is one of my favorite players.
My day gig? I work for money there, but music? I'll take a fun gig over a money one.
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