While I love Marco and Lang there are a number of drummers who have displayed more advanced independence than both of them
that's also a pretty bold statement. i made a huge post on here somewhere a while ago about the technical impossibility of asessing independance based on listening.
'there's no way anyone could possibly know that napoleon'
what can't be argued is that minneman made a huge stride in bringing true ostinato playing to the masses with 'extreme interdependance'