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Old 10-25-2013, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: Flattening toms?

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Originally Posted by tamadrm View Post
Standard sized toms were also available 20 years ago,as well as since the 40's,up to and including today.Power toms were drum fashion,with power tom sizes STILL available from drum makers as well as from shell manufacturers.

The consept of the virgin bass drum is also nothing new,as toms were mounted on bass drums using clamps ,since the mid 30's.Now we're just using clamps to mount them to racks and cymbal stands.

The consept of virgin bass drums being better sonicly is again,more drum re- fashion than actually decernable.I'd love to hear a blind comparison test of a virgin drum and one that has mounts attached.

It is in truth , more style than actual substance.

As far as flat toms,just as one example,Emmanule Cappalette has superb posture while playing,and nothing is flat about her set up at all.The same can be said for Simon Phillips.Just watch him play .He uses 24" bass drums and deep toms,and has excellent posture.He also dosen't seem to have to struggle to play his kit at all considering he's only around 5'6".

Posture is all about there you sit,in relation to your set up,and keeping your back stright and not reaching for everything.The whole powertom angleing thing was more about looks and using 14x13 and 15x14 and even larger toms with 24-26 ' bass drums.

I had a 12/13 power toms set up and a 22" bass drum.No Mickey Mouse ear angles were necessary.

No matter what set up you use,if you sit too high or too low,and don't have everything is easy reach......you'll have problems that smaller bass drums and flat toms can't cure.

I disagree and I still contend flat tom set ups are drum fashion,and will go the way of Chinese toms.

I'll also go a step further and say the vast majority of drummers play their kits set up since the way the've been set up since the 40's,and setting up with flat toms is greatly limited to younger players only.

If you like flat toms,then hey,what ever blows your hair back,but better for posture and more ergonomic? Horsey turd.Bangs and the foward comb are as big as they were in the 60's too..:)


Steve B
I wouldn't doubt that some people's "flat everything" setups happened with their first kit purchase because they saw someone else setting up that way....such as Travis Barker.

There's also the point that the idea of "flat" that you and I are imagining may not be the same.

I know my setup evolved with far less angles because I went from the 9 piece double bass kit with power toms (going from 10 to 18) that I played since the early 90s to a 5 piece kit with what are now standard "fusion" sizes. I also did my actual physical growing up in my teens on that power tom kit, so by the time I bought the Spaun I was already well aware that I had gone from being 5"7" to 6'2" and did not need to sit low with a wall of tubs at eye level. so I raised my seat a few inches and it was like I was gifted with enlightenment that day. Sitting higher made me feel far more in control.

I still liked having the two toms up top offset to the left like I would on a double bass kit, and with the new seat height it was just ergonomically natural to lower the toms a bit and angle them much less. The benefit of being able to use the same downstroke on your toms as you do with the snare is impressive.

yadda yadda....point is......yes....a lot of kit "fads" come about because of specific players influencing drums that are used (ahem...piccolo snares in the 90s.)or the way they are setup. But some of them evolve, or come back on the cyclical wheel for very practical reasons. For this one, I peg it to far more kits without bass drum mounts, and the exploding sale of "fusion" sized toms.
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