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Old 08-10-2013, 06:08 AM
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Default Re: Can there be free will in a world where pre-destiny exists?

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Not all "chance events" are equal. Some "take" and some don't. The universe and the earth have tendencies. They tend to produce life - and humans. Our existence is proof of that fact.

Imagine the first replicating cell. Was that a truly random event or was there something underneath - an underpinning fabric of reality based in other dimensions - that was trying to replicate? That was driving towards replication? Towards life?
Look up the Miller-Urey experiment and Panspermia. The conditions for life had to exist before life itself. If life is such a constant in the universe, how come we haven't found any anywhere else, even locally?

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After all, having replicated once, why would the cell do it again? To me, the start of life seems dynamically like the Big Bang - something new springing forth from a wellspring of potential energy. The urge to replicate and survive is surely echoed throughout all life.
That is what life does, plain and simple. Without the urge to survive and replicate, there would be no life. This is constant for everything, including the universe. Galaxies, suns, planets, nebula, etc. all are born and will eventually die, resulting in something else. Surely our current universe isn't the first, and it certainly wont be the last. Remember energy cannot be created nor destroyed, just repurposed.

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Why would a creature with human capacities appear? Human mental abilities appear to be overkill in evolutionary terms. Obviously there's an evolutionary arms race with human brains - smart people are today's alphas. Rationalist attitudes say that our search for meaning and spiritual tendencies are by-products of the mental gear we inherited through natural selection - mere curios and artefacts rather than reflections of our deeper nature.
Why would a creature of any form or intelligence appear? To think we are special in a world full of life is rather selfish in my views. Just because we humans are more aware does not make us any better than, say, a cockroach. They have been here a whole lot longer than we have, will be here longer, and can evolve and adapt at will. Natural selection will favor the roach over the human.

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Why wait for science to catch up when you can access our mental capacities now via mysticism? Who cares if something is based on mythology or science if it works? Whatever methods we use only need last a lifetime, not pass the test of eternal verities.
Because some of us want answers, not an uneducated guess as to why things work like they do. I can accept that things work and we don't know why, but cannot accept a screwball idea to fill the void until the correct answer is revealed.

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Spirituality's value is in the subjective realm and it will continue to be useful until science catches up and enables us to control those aspects of mind.
So then why do we continue to lie to ourselves until science catches up? Again, if something works but you don't know why, that's okay. Would you rather discover the correct answer and be amazed at it once it gets here, or be disappointed in yourself for believing in something that wasn't true?

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One day we won't need spirituality because we will always be capable of peak performance and always be in the zone, we will be able to routinely and fully unlock our skills and potentials and we will be capable of mentally controlling and regulating illness and pain and we will be in a contant state of bliss /peak experience. Until then, we don't have the smarts because we haven't scientifically cracked the code, but we can still use our instinctive equipment.
So if we don't destroy ourselves first, we will all eventually become god-like? Seriously, no matter how hard I try, the pain in my knee just wont go away, and all the mental regulation in the world wont keep gravity and friction from destroying it a little more each time I move it.

In a nutshell, we aren't special. We walk around everyday fooling ourselves and each other, thinking we are more than we really are, and that the ultimate goal is somewhere beyond our existence. In reality, the ultimate goal is to just survive.
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